Vertimus

BB, despite my not liking the title track, remains my favorite Lana Del Rey album and definitely the one I play the most. Happy birthday!

It doesn’t happen with 98% of the other artist I follow.

It's not the wait between albums, it's being fed consistently wrong information by Lana and her team. It's not a good sign when a person, artist, or team never learns from the past--and in this case, the recent and continuous past--though of course I realize her managers can't and don't muzzle her or control her in any way. I wouldn't care if it were 3-4 years between albums, which is what we may be looking at due to her marriage and the potential children that may arise from it. That is, if she decides to remain in the business at all, which I suspect she will if she does have kids.

Me too. It's getting too exhausting to invest so much energy in what amounts to disinformation, release information we know is foolish to place any stock in, and then silence. That's why I increasingly feel all the 'tease the Stans' BS is so 2010. It's outlived its usefulness and playfulness, if it was ever useful. For me, it's better not to care at all until the album drops and I can listen.

NO--not unless you're off the grid, and even, then, there are records of your life before you went off grid. The damned Yellow Book and other common online sources constantly feed all of your life's facts and history out into the world, even if you log on and ask to be removed--they add you all over again within 6 months to a year. It's outrageous. Why doesn't someone invent a phone and computer that DOES NOT TRACK you AT ALL and does delete everything once and finally once you've deleted it? They'd make a mint.

And the occasional early pre-Lana and post-Lana trailer park/white trash shoots and aesthetic.

She has a chameleon soul.

Exactly. She's not Sparkle Jump Rope Queen or May Jailer either. None of us know her (except Elle, I think), and even if we did, it wouldn't be anything like complete knowledge. She's adopted all these personas for a reason, perhaps one related to what she sang about in WFWF. That's part of our fascination with her.

Private lives and romantic lives are messy---look at our own. We like to think we know all the facts and what's in Lana's heart and mind, but we don't. We form a picture of her based on what we do know to be fact, but what we assemble from those partial facts is only an estimation and not exact, and will never be exact--especially because we live in an age where people reject objective-as-possible fact in favor of their own interpretation or belief system, and find it hard to live with unknowns. Almost 70 years after her death, some of the facts of Marilyn Monroe's life, character, and death are still unknown but hotly debated. There's nary a major public figure about which this is not true: Jackie Kennedy, Michael Jackson, Prince, Whitney Houston, Elvis Presley, and figures with lower global profiles, like Janice Joplin and Jeff Buckley. Stanning is not far from hero worship, which makes a cult out of the hero in question, and worship often turns into hate when the worshipped figure does not act in accordance with what is expected--and in which followers are deeply invested. I agree, this marriage and relationship appear awkward to my eyes, and her husband appears gauche, even coarse based on some of his social media, but I don't know the truth, the facts, what lies in their hearts or what they share. I don't know either of them. To me, it seems better to draw what conclusions I can from the hard but partial facts, but otherwise give the entire situation the benefit of the doubt, live with all the unknowns, and wish Lana the best.

Not swampy enough.

You're expanding what I said into an umbrella statement regarding all abusive relationships everywhere—and I have my own experiences of abusive relationships and my own set of beliefs on the topic, which are not doctrinaire-- ---but we've seen how Lana said Barrie-James abused her in some or many ways ("he knows what he did") and she dumped him hard, though she was in love with him. She dumped G-Eazy when she felt he was insincere or using her or whatever—and she extracted herself from her relationship with Sean. And these are just the more prominent and/or recent examples. Based on these facts—and I'm not saying each was easy or without pain and disappointment—I think Lana is more than capable of extracting herself from another abusive relationship should one arise, especially due to her intricate, daily communications with her family, especially her father. In the meantime, I wish her and Jeremy every happiness.

I am not in that group. I support her marriage—about which we know little--as her choice—and wish her happiness. I was [only] saying that if it doesn't work out for whatever reason or reasons, she'd more than capable of extracting herself from the marriage.

If it was automatically translated into French, why would it be posted here in English again? But thanks.

No—we know when we quote another here, it's automatic. Nothing changes unless the member goes in and changes it. Which is deception and can lead to all kinds of disagreements, misunderstandings, and anger here.

Jeremy is expressing himself the way he wants to. Just as you are here. Does he look like a very "classy" individual? Would I expect him to be erudite, based on the little I—and we—know about him? NO. He very likely believes in what he supports just as others vehemently believe in Kamala Harris and support her loudly.

No, due to the man she married, who symbolizes and represents 'the enemy' to many here. Had she married handsome, worldly, dapper Francesco Carrozzini, I don't think we'd be having this conversation, we'd be saying, "Will Lana move to Italy?"

Exactly. There are 70 to 150 million in the United States. They are everywhere, in all states, in all communities.

'Abuse' covers a wide swath of things that might end a marriage—that's why I used that word--'abuse' doesn't necessarily mean physical abuse. And we know Lana knows all about emotional and psychological abuse—she's sang about it too for a decade (Ultraviolence, Velvet Crowbar, Blackest Day, Honeymoon, Violets For Roses, Cult Leader, 13 Beaches, etc.) I'm saying it's doubtful she would succumb. We know she dates a lot of men, discarding them with apparent ease, copes with whatever heartbreak she feels, and moves on. So whatever her spouse does that she doesn't like is unlikely to be tolerated by her for very long, child or children or no child or children.

Why? She's is a super-professional, very intelligent, strong woman and individual. She's massively accomplished. And she's got all the worldly power and probably had him sign a pre-nup. She's got millions of dollars and homes all over the place—you think she can't leave him, go to her lawyer, start divorce proceedings, and move forward with her life, leaving him or any other man in her dust? We know she's dealt with massive heartbreak and romantic disappointment in the past—it's one of her major themes. And as far as first actions taken, she can call her father, brother, and sister and they will drop everything and swoop in to do whatever needs to be done if she needs help or moral support and love. I wrote closet monster—you changed my words, which should be an offense here.

And quite a strong-willed and intelligent one, surrounded by a close and loving family.

It's fine to vent—within reason—but what world are members living in when half the citizens of the United States support Trump? That is a FACT. So of course Lana, just like the rest of us here in the United States, are going to encounter them and find them among our family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, and wider community. And here, on this board. We know so little about Lana herself when it comes down to it—and many times less about her relationship with this man. Maybe we'd prefer—superficially and stupidly—she marry someone like the dashing Francesco Carrozzini or Barrie-James, but she didn't. She married this gentleman and we can ultimately only wish her well. From her songs, we know she is drawn to older men and knows about all kinds of abuse, so if he's abusive, she'll deal with it. She's got to be the one with all the power in the relationship. And her father, sister, and brother would object to her marrying this man if they thought he was absolutely some kind of a monster or closet monster.

Beautifully stated.

But it's not as if Lana is dependent on her new spouse financially supporting their child or children if any…she's got tens of millions. Of course, I'm sure she would like him to be present, available, and enthusiastic about fatherhood, but that's a different consideration from financial support. I do think having a child or children for the best reasons is important, which I feel many Americans fail at.

She's been musing about leaving Southern California for awhile, though I can't see her heading for the American Southeast. You've really got to love swamps to live in that part of the country, and humid swampland and hurricanes, I think, only appeal to a small minority. Maybe a Lana Zydeco album is next?

Especially as they're not the ones bearing the child and thus at no physical risk themselves after a certain age.