Vertimus

Thanks, GLF. Since it was produced by Mike Dean, I was thinking it might have been recorded once with Jack for COCC, and then a second, perhaps slightly different, version was recorded with Mike. Time will tell. Maybe 'dealing' or 'the deal' is a motif of the album.

Thanks. If so, then the 'Dealer' title makes perfect sense. She's dealing out the deep tea at last to someone she loves.

So: do we think 'WW' is a revamped or renamed 'Dealer'? Of course, she stresses the word 'deal' four times, and she did say, last year or in late 2019, that, to paraphrase, she 'did a lot of screaming' on 'Dealer,' and WW does end with that very powerful screeching. I'd more than happy if it is 'Dealer' with a new title. I do think it would have fit very well on COCC, a nice balance to 'WD' and 'Yosemite.'

Don't forget she's said she's writing one, in the process of doing so. Tori Amos badly derailed her career by her 7-year commitment to her own theatrical piece, 'The Light Princess,' which in the end turned out to be a creative and commercial flop.I hope LDR doesn't slide down that rabbit hole. Edit: Sorry. I see someone posted the same point.

I agree. There's absolutely nothing, wrong with honest, even hard, criticism. Cultish 'IT'S LANA FOR GOD'S SAKE!' feeling (it can't be called thinking), does no one any good, including the artist. I've seen it with so many musicians, from Bob Dylan, Tori Amos and Jeff Buckley to Twenty-One Pilots and beyond.

Well, I disagree. Some of the intonations are very close to hers. It's so distorted I don't think anyone can really say.

To me, 'Under My Skin' does sound like LDR and the words are sung the way she often does. Full release/leak, please.

Perhaps--perhaps--the 'revenge' was meant to be directed against her parents? TB and WW present a fairly bad, if very likely honest, portrayal of her parents within certain limited contexts. I'm still wondering 'if the issue of her' refers to her mother, thus presenting a tight Electra-complex scenario--"I'm in love with my father and hate my competition for him, my mother.' It's possible. Or it could just be another woman the police boyfriend and father-stand in was interested in and became a wedge between them. Tori Amos has written, in 'Bliss' especially a very graphic and direct attack on her father or 'father image,' father archetype. It's full of incest references. She says, "he wants into mine" and refers to his "supernova juice." As a song, it went right over the heads of 99% of her Stans. Releasing it seems to have freed her from her father complex and rage against 'the patriarchy.' Father I killed my monkey I let it out to taste the sweet of spring Wonder if I will wander out Test my tether to see if I'm still free from you Steady as it comes right down to you I've said it all So maybe we're a bliss of another kind I said A bliss of another kind I said Lately I'm in to circuitry What it means to be Made of you but not enough of you And I wonder if you can bilocate Is that what I taste Your supernova juice? You know it's true I'm a part of you Steady as it comes right down to you I've said it all So maybe we're a bliss of another kind I said Steady as it comes right down to you I've said it all So maybe you're a four horse engine with a power drive I said A hot kachina who wants into mine I said Take it, take it with your terra- terra- terracide And I said steady as it comes right down to you I've said it all So maybe we're a bliss of another kind I said A bliss of another kind I said A bliss of another kind I said

Stardust = Joni Mitchell reference (‘Woodstock’)

The name drops are terrible. We've had enough with Sean, Joni, Joan, Stevie, Cortney, and now Jenny and Nicki Lane. It's a little embarrassing and each new one dilutes all the others.

Trust me, I've been made aware of that. I also like WW best, but TB is a close second; WW has the better climax. I also find BB not quite all there lyrically. I hear people here saying they're crying or sobbing listening to it, which surprises me somewhat.

I agree. The songs may come out on threes, or in some other untraditional manner. Why not? So: are the marks on her chest, the grey spots, sores or whatever they are, are they there on purpose? As symbolic scars or wounds? In the 70s, the Alan Parsons Project released an album called 'Eve' which two attractive women on the cover, dressed up and wearing veils, but if you look closely, you see they're scarred.

We know she's into Lynch due to the 'Y&B' video which was a takeoff on his 'Blue Velvet.' And he's said "she's interesting,' but that was the LDR of BTD/P, not the LDR to come. I am too, don't take it to heart. I love 'Paradise' and most of 'Lust for Life,' and COCC is my favorite of all her work. I don't rate UV, HM or most of NFR highly.

Thanks—I hadn’t considered that.

And it looks as if she’s got large grey sores here and there. How did those pass muster?

Is the woman she refers to in TB, ‘then there was the issue of her’ a reference, another reference, to her mother? Or another woman the cop was also seeing?

And I agree with that. They're not a 180. Had these three been on COCC as is, I think it would have made COCC a greater record, but I, much to the dismay of almost everyone here, often think that LDR's albums would be better if the best songs from, say, UV and HM were released together as one album and the weaker tracks put aside. I think that would have made NFR and COCC better too, being no fan of NFR except for 3-4 tracks.

I think the arrangements and even the writing itself here are a lot more complex than those on COCC, like COCC itself and also NATWWAL and DTWD. 'Wild At Heart' is leagues away from these three tracks in terms of intent and complexity. It's a pop song, these are not.

The beautiful Norma Shearer, unknown today except by true cinema buffs, and, in the 30s, the queen of MGM. And remember, she said that Dealer was basically her "just screaming my head off." That wouldn't fit with COCC and may not fit with BB either, but who knows? I think BB is going to be a revelation.

On reflection, by 'revenge,' I think LDR meant she was going to show the world, and especially her critics going back to the BTD era, what she can really do, after the breezy, meditative COCC.

Especially if she marries and has children, or just has children. Tori Amos went from rage to the sentimental, sugary 'Ribbons Undone' in two albums, though I expect LDR would express herself better than that. And, in the past, artists like Carly Simon have written beautifully about marriage; Simon did it on album after album throughout the 70s, the highs and lows and in-betweens.

I agree--like many other artists, from Bob Dylan to Nico and Tori Amos, Lana communicates a million times better lyrically and in her poetry than she does in conversation. As Nico would say, "Conversationally, I'm rather sloppy." I'm sure some of us are also creative people and know this to be true--what we can express in a painting or lyric makes a lot more sense to the world than trying to express/explain/communicate verbally what is going on in our psyches.

My pleasure, PWIH. In fact, who knows--she may cover it on her American Standards album, if that ever sees the light of day. It's certainly as famous and poignant as 'Summertime.'

I'm not bothered by the BLM line either. It could have been cringey, totally awkward or misplaced, but it fits in well. It's not stressed too too much in a way that comes across as virtue signaling. And 'Old Man River' is an American standard from the 20s musical 'Showboat,' and, in the play, is sung by a Black slave, Joe, and made famous by the great Paul Robeson. So there is a definite but subtle statement and a parallel between the BLM shout out and Old Man River. How anyone who closely follows or Stans LDR can think she's a racist witch is beyond me, much less a Karen. People who don't follow media closely today have only themselves to blame for being led around by all kinds of untrue and dishonest 'fake news.' Because you have to follow news and media closely today. You have to distrust every site, every source until you've investigated and thoroughly used your intelligence. Not that LDR hasn't brought some of her troubles down upon her own head with apparently drunken interviews that go nowhere for 30 minutes or Question to the Culture post.

The arrangements are kinda loose, I agree, as someone else said, 'choppy' on TB. And they're complex too. The different sections don't mesh seamlessly into one another like they did on, for example, 'West Coast.' But I think LDR had to be aware of this and it was an intentional decision between her and her producers.