FormerLanaFan

Live your lifes as you see fit but most of you will have to start to have some experiences before you are giving others lessons about life or sex.

Well I wanted to adjust some last things about my account and I saw some of your replies: I don't want to evaluate my looks but financially I'm ok so I could pay for sex daily If this is what you mean I appreciate your wit but you're off base: I'm married, I have a daughter and I didn't fantasized about a pop singer in a long time. Lana is a beautiful woman but I never thought sexually about her. I always had a protective attitude towards her that's the reason why I was drawn psychologically in the insane bullying online against her (BTW my wife don't likes Lana) For me the artist persona is important (Wagner it's the only exception). What she said rubbed me in a wrong way. Right now I'm unable to listen to her. I was interested in the articles written online about her but now I don't want to click on any of them titled "Lana Del Rey used sex to get head", "Lana Del Rey claims she's 'slept with a lot of guys", "Lana Del Rey admits sleeping with many in the industry" and so on, it's sickening. I don't leave this forum because of the "attacks, I dragged Lana haters to the ground on other forums, I leave because I don't have anything else to say. Lana is a closed chapter for me." What about Video Games, Blue Jeans, Dark Paradise and so on, you were really attracted to an cynical artist that promotes casual, emotionless sex? I don't think so, you were drawn to Lana's romanticism, any Lana song is about investing emotions in a relationship. I'm quite baffled that some of you tried to counter argue that Lana is a promoter of casual sex in 75% of her songs, it's quite the opposite I hope that you (@LifeisBeautiful) will found someone who will love you for what you are, sex will be part of that relationship. I'm really deploring some of your views on sexuality. I can understand it to a point because most of you are teenagers and the sex urges are just too strong at that age. Your position on sexuality isn't a surprise to me given that your generation has grown up on internet porn. Some of you think that what women and men want from sex is what you see in those inept productions. Be real, having casual sex (paid for) it's not hard to get in these days, it's not always fun (the myth of casual sex) but if you'll live your life that way you'll become an lonely empty shell. It's much harder to have a meaningful relationship with someone. Lana sung that her "Pussy tastes like Pepsi Cola", well from my experience every pussy taste the same, it's just a moist hole (and I think that women can say something similar about men). If that you're after, be my guest. In my view, casual sex will always be morally inferior to serial monogamy which is the norm in any society and I think that Lana will be judged by the majority of people negatively. She always was a mess of powerful contradictory statements and the slightest emotional signal can tip anyone over to like or dislike her. Now I dislike her, profoundly. I don't trust any of her messages and I just don't care about her anymore. You cannot do or say anything you want unless you're ready to bear the consequences. I don't think Lana understands the consequences. Barrie's gone, Carozzini is nowhere and I have a feeling that James Franco would not be around for her...Who wants to be romantically involved with a self admitted whore?! I bet that people from her former and current label are offended by her statements and some of the fans will reevaluate her, I'm certain of that even if they aren't say it loudly. I don't want to offend anyone these were my opinions. Wish you the best

Now that you are pointing out the lyrics to me, it's strange how easily anything can change. You wake up as Lana fan and in the evening you are really annoyed by her, close to hating her. I wish you all happy Lana discussions

You are some German swinger I suppose. The most despicable people in the world.

Slow down with the dude. But it is my business at some level, I invested time and money in her artistry. Now, I cannot listen to her music it's making me nauseous. And I wasn't a casual fan. I don't project anything that is mine, I'm pointing out the incredible contradictory bullshit that she's putting out. I defended her many times online but this undefendable, the amount of mockery that will come towards her will break her down and I think that she lost all the credibility that she worked hard on since her stupid SNL show.

I cringe when I think back at her statements about her spirituality and her relationship with God. How proud are her parents when they hear from everywhere that their daughter fucked A LOT of people in the music industry. Bravo Lana! https://twitter.com/LanaDReyCrew/status/490242489224556544/photo/1

I respect everybody opinions and I don't want to create the impression that I force my opinions on anybody. But I think that some of you don't comprehend the gravity of what she said. It's everywhere in the world in every shithole where the Lana Del Rey name was never heard before and now she's portrayed like the biggest whore in the music industry. No one would want to associate with her anymore, you believe that Katty Perry or Taylor Swift will take a picture with her or want to sit next to her at the Grammys? This statement shades people that worked with her at her label who will feel uncomfortable and will have a negative attitude towards her (I don't think D. Auerbach or any of her male producers liked her comment). None of her idiotic prior statements were that damaging, maybe I'm overreacting but this could be a career killing stupidity

This is the first time when I feel that I like her less than before. I didn't mind her "I'm bored with feminism", "I want to be dead already" or other BS that she said. But this is just off putting, even in Off To The Races the lolita finds loyalty and stability in her life despite that both of them are flawed characters. The way she said it tho...carelessly

You really think that she will be judged like male rockstar?! No, she will be trashed by everybody, she pushes the envelope until she will be dropped by her label.

I don't think that she is confident in her sexuality. I think that she's rather awkward about it: she's hanging on your neck easily but when you touch her she's gonna give you a smack in your face. The ridiculous thing is that today everybody in the world is talking about how big a whore is LDR when in reality I think that she's a girl with certain sexual frustrations and complexes.

People who are doing sex with no feelings involved frequently have issues regarding respect, loyalty and not treating others like a piece of meat of their ephemeral desire. I don't give a fuck how many partners she had in her life but saying publicly "a lot" is irresponsible from her and contradictory with any family values she expressed. I suspect her of lying about that, I don't believe that she fucked her way around period.

Interesting read, If I understood it correctly is an analogy with Lana's case. The difference is, in my view, that the character's case is confined to a few people discussing it while Lana's case is dissected globally and the pressure won't go away, there is no place to hide from it or to relax yourself. It's exhausting psychologically

Simply there is no consistency in her story, there is no time for all of her invented things to happen at once. I stated my believes and I tried to argue with some facts. Explain than her idiotic statement that "I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry”. This is not the Beatles era, this is instant fucking news era="Lana is the biggest and fakest whore in the world" era. I remind you Michael Cassio's line from Othello: "Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial. My reputation, Iago, my reputation!" Maybe she doesn't care about her reputation or she want's this type of reputation. I rather think that this is not the case, but she'll have a difficult time or rather will be nearly impossible to change her image when she wakes up from this nightmare. I think that you are confusing mental illness with psychological problems. And please, as far as I know, nowhere in the world the concepts of promiscuity and family go well together, maybe you can explain this more

I saw from the comments that many of you liked this interview. For me this overall boring interview is changing something important regarding my perception of her. I’m not sure about anything regarding Lana but I have certain inclinations regarding what I believe about her. After this interview I’m definitely inclined to believe that she has some real psychological issues and she has no understanding of the consequences of her public persona on her private live and her psychological well-being. I reacted in the past rather forcefully to opinions that she is a pathological liar because I believed that she’s a dreamer exaggerating things a little bit and she just don’t remember certain things accurately from her past especially regarding the time frames. Now I believe that she is making up a lot of things because of her psychological problems. She has some behavior that suggests towards psychological problems. I think that she suffers from low self-esteem in general but it is very interesting to analyze this regarding to two main aspects: her profession (her singing abilities especially) and her sexuality. 1. Her stage presence was always something that baffled me. I’m not fond of Gaga or Beyonce type of stage theatrics but Lana behavior on stage was (and it is) simply strange. She’s obviously shy, she creeps on stage, she is incredible nervous, holding desperately the mic, adjusting the position of the mic-cord, she turns her back to the audience to often to talk with her band, she made a habit out of that smoking shtick, she’s taking selfies for 10 min. with the front row, she never does encores etc. Everything is suggesting that she’s uncomfortable on stage. Her mental state it’s so obvious that when I see one of her live videos I always have an uneasy feeling like something not so good will happen. I observed that her live singing it’s uneven: there is some moments when her voice is pure and pitch perfect and some when she’s clearly messing the things up. I think that as soon as she’s on the stage she has to distinct threads running in her head simultaneously: one that is concentrating on her delivery and one that makes her exaggeratedly self-aware for a performer that is making her to feel that something bad will happen. When this latter thread takes over her voice starts to tremble, she looks miserable and she starts to improvise in a defiant and exaggerated manner which is more often bad than good. I think that, because she started to sing so late and without proper training, she doubts her own singing abilities. He stated often that she wanted to be mainly a studio singer and she’s uncomfortable on stage. 2. She exaggerates her sexuality mainly through awkward statements in interviews that are contradicted by some of her observed behaviors: the promiscuous girl fantasy. She had a 3 year long relationship with Barrie and I never heard something serious regarding that she cheated on him. She created me the image of a good girl that fantasizes about being bad. Driving at night on the metro and writing, going to the beach, roller-coasters, and the pictures with her sister and her father hanging out: for a bad baby she’s too much involved with her family, she hangs out too much with her sister which is a very benign being btw. She was involved with WoW players, I know some things about WoW players and they are “bad” online and generally pretty regular people offline. “I had a long-term relationship for seven years with someone who was the head of a label”. From what I know she had two labels in her life “5 Point Records” and “Interscope-Polydor”. She was signed in 2007 to 5 Point Records. David Nichtern was the head of the label and David Kahne was the producer and I’m pretty certain that she didn't fucked with these guys and certainly she didn't have a 7 year long relationship with any of them. Maybe she was involved with guys from another label or with lesser guys from 5 Point? Not likely, because we would found something about that online. She fucked around random guys on the open mic circuit for record deals? No. It’s more likely that she invented this “adventures” to match the inner expectations towards the character Lana Del Rey that she fantasized about. “I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry”. There are two things that are suggesting that she’s not a in full control of her behaviour: first, is the obvious exaggerated-overtness of the statement which is about admitting publicly to promiscuous behavior. Sexuality it’s a private thing and people in the GP reacts strongly towards these type of statements. And of course the “annoyed that the whoring didn't resulted in record deals” will not be perceived as sarcasm by a large proportion of the GP. Second, is her problem understanding the consequence of this statement on her future inner wellbeing. I remember the student from Duke University who wanted to pay for her tuition with porn money which is a reminder that there is no fresh start after you do or say certain things in public. Her alleged promiscuity is just contradicting with her statements about being a good person, helping the community and being with her family. I don't know if any of you observed her stiffness when she dances. I don't want to read to much in to it, but this can be a small suggestion that she is not so easy going. Watch her dancing with Mahoney in the SOC video it's totally awkward. Her physicality is more posturing to me than something that would suggest nymphomaniac tendencies. I think that Lizzy Grant is in the midst of the psychological chaos created by the adoption of the Lana Del Rey character when she took the decision that Lizzy and Lana are the same person. Lana is a fantasy and Lizzy is just morphing strangely under this façade. There are two outcomes possible: She will become Lana Del Rey or she will melt psychologically at some point and we'll all know it.

So, the actions that you think she's accountable for it's her behavior in her recent interviews? The only really problematic interview was the Tim Jonze interview. She reacted angrily afterwards on twitter and not during the interview. Her reaction was nervous and useless and just magnified her words. Lana had a point tho that he forced the whole dead artist thing and she bite it unfortunately. But why is Lana the only negative person in this? Maybe she felt that way on that particular day, we know that she is depressive and melodramatic but the interviewer can push some people to say things that they wouldn't say it normally. She got upset with him, so what? This is a despicable behavior? I don't think so. The RS interview was after that episode and he was just insensitive about it, I think that you give him to much credit for being nice with her. She was always open to interviews (albeit apprehensive) and you are unfair towards her by saying that she is the only factor for the "failure" of some interviews. I experienced some radio interviews where she just politely swallowed a lot of BS (for example in a recent radio interview, when UV was coming out, an idiot was asking her about DMD suggesting that is an ridiculous title for a song and she responded that she loves DMD and she wrote an ode to it )

I'm for criticizing an artist (for example I didn't like Lana's attitude and vocals at Glastonbury). But I don't understand your wording regarding her actions for which she has to be accountable?! I have to admit that I was drawn to Lana as much as for her music and voice as for the incredible and fascinating bullying that she was subjected online. I read obsessively almost anything about her, but besides some inconsistencies in her interviews I didn't found objective motives behind the strong reactions against her. I think that besides the absurd opinions (not actions or facts) such as she is a corporate puppet made with her daddy's money, or the unbelievably misogynistic opinion that she is just a fame-whore who surgically altered her image and changed her name for fame, there is nothing that is remotely a behavior expressed by her for what she has to be taken accountable by anyone. And still, most of the interviewers are patronizing her which is borderline with mockery. Who the fuck starts an interview with "On a scale of to 1 to 10, how much do you wish you were dead right now?". This is mockery, lack of respect, period. I would kick his ass out in that minute and I'm not a sensitive artist. It's an entitlement feeling, created by the attitude of the media and blogs towards her. Everybody (even fans) feels entitled to criticize her art, behavior etc. regardless of their competence or knowledge of facts. I'm not talking about legitimate opinions about liking her music or not but about the incredibly stupid think-pieces written about her from a moral high ground which are in the most of the cases ridiculous posturings coming from people who doesn't have remotely Lana's artistic talent. The blogs judged her before she even spoke out, she get defensive from the start and all of her interviews were screwed up because of this. You are a fan and a sensible person but even you feel entitled to hold her "accountable" for her actions. What actions?! She put some music out for God sake, she made art as she saw fit, that is all she ever done. Some of her lyrics are not loved by some feminist?! That is an action (creating some controversial lyrics) for what she has to take the patronizing and irreverent questioning from people? I think not. She was right: after having to consecutive successful albums in the US, with music that even the RS acknowledged that is not corporate Top40 BS, having two respectable tours under her belt, you, the interviewer, have to be concerned more with her artistry and accomplishments than dwelling pointlessly on old and personal subjects like SNL or her daddy.

Bitch be cool! I didn't insulted you so behave yourself nicely

NME loved it http://www.nme.com/blogs/festivals-blog/lana-del-rey-just-played-the-most-dramatic-on-edge-glastonbury-set-of-the-weekend

She attracted one of the largest crowds, it's big exposure for her, the recorded version will be on BBC 3 at 8 pm. Why is she so disconnected? Nobody is forcing her to perform. I don't understand her... Other opinions Guardian liked her voice http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jun/28/lana-del-rey-glastonbury-2014-review "Sonically it's stunning – burbling guitars, hazy atmospherics, perfect cooing, epic drums" Guardian Well, the reception of her show in the press is not bad

Her voice was better with the strings and without the registered backup vocals.

I'm not a Gaga fan and I referred obviously to the GP that are not Lana fans (I'm biased because I'm a Lana fan even if I criticized this performance)

I just saw the live stream in HD of her show at Glastonbury. I'm disappointed by her performance: she seemed uncomfortable on stage (again), her voice was weak, lacking projection especially when was contrasted with the registered backup vocals, she lacked vocal discipline in many songs, she was all over the place trying those iil-advised improvisations which hampers her delivery. The best performance in my opinion was Video Games . I hope that this is just my impression and the GP would see it differently

I hope that she will not do that today at Glastonbury

I saw many of her concert videos and she does the same things over and over again, ritualistically: the same gestures when she sings Born To Die, she goes behind Blake when he is soloing, she comes down to the first row during National Anthem, smoking on stage etc. The only things that make her shows work are the powerful sing-along songs mostly from BTD, the fact that the fans adore her and in part because she is beautiful. Her interpretation on stage is mediocre at best and sometimes is outright weak with little emotional investment. She's "real" for the fans and "inauthentic" for her detractors for the same thing: her unpolished performances. But this is getting off topic When her look compensates for everything else on stage, she's absolutely gorgeous, you can watch her even without the music:

I don't have the pretense that I know LDR. What I know is from her interviews and I have formed an idea about her personality which could be wrong but this is mainly the consequence of her inability to have a coherent public discourse. I don't think that she's doing that on purpose to fuel her "mystique" rather she seems insecure about everything: her music, looks, public perception, her life and as a consequence she gets "confused" when opens her mouth. About her relationship with fans I think that is more complex than "she's great with fans", because i have the feeling that those first row extravaganzas at every concert of hers are more about her (insecurities) than about the fans. Fans are also those in the back who don't see her for 15 min in a concert because she's taking selfies in the front row. She has garnered some touring experience and It's just ridiculous that the communication between her and the fans during the concert it's limited to some awkwardly uttered "you're amazing". She has powerful songs that could be introduced nicely connecting with the audience and the whole experience would be better. I get the fact that she's not a trained or natural performer and I like the fact that her shows lacks the usual gimmicks and theatrics but I have the feeling that she's investing to little in this meetings while her fans adore her.