Foxglove

I just got registered cause I didnt know this forum existed. I almost read every single page of this thread. And some of you spend more time talking sh*t about Lana than haters themselves lol. Are you even fans? If you think shes ignorant, racist, whatever; why do you even bother following her?! Personally, I dont even have such negative thoughts about anyone, not even about people whove hurt me. You are unbelieveble. You really have to reflect on yourselves. Some of you are saying shes in a bad state of mind... firstly, shes human too; secondly, shouldnt you be NICER if shes not doing well? Have you ever gone through a harsh time? You wouldnt like to read sh*t specially from your people. You seem to be lacking empathy big time. And want to let this clear before you reply back, theres a big difference in saying something you think shes done wrong to go ranting about and being mean.

And you Foxglove are the most toxic "fan"/hater, on this thread at least, thats why I quoted your message to say this. I really cant deal with your toxicity. I really hope Lana doesnt read this forum.

If she does, a big hug to you from a sensitive soul to another one .

if Lana reads this forum, honestly, she needs to take a close look at her priorities and make some serious life decisions about what's worth her time.  she is a millionaire successful pop star, fighting with fans on the internet and getting bothered by think pieces on dumb blogs from 2014.  i'm obviously exaggerating and went a lil extra hard in that last post because the mods on this site literally deleted my posts.  but i stand by what i said.  Lana should educate herself.  she's in this whole mess because she refuses to.  i guess everyone else gets an opinion but me?

tbh i havent been on this site for a hot minute till all this drama, and the only reason i am now is because this drama is entertaining and i wanna hear Lana's new music.  idk WHY, i just do.

Um, I don't like this mindset. I don't think it sets a good example for the forum to tell a user who just joined here that "hating Lana is our specialty" because that's absolutely not what this forum is about nor promotes. LanaBoards is intended to be a positive and healthy place for discussion. Of course, all sorts of opinions are welcome even if they lean on the negative or critical side, just as long as they don't cross any sort of line. With that being said, I really don't like to see users encouraging hate. Blatant hate is absolutely not tolerated. There's a fine but very clear line between constructive criticism and blatant hate, and LanaBoards does not at all promote the latter. I still feel weird about speaking publicly during this time, but I just couldn't ignore this message.

 

@@Luisjeescobarb my apologies for the message directed at you, I hope you don't gather wrong ideas about this community and its intentions. x

hey @@Elle can i get an apology too     for the message directed at me?  or because someone (maybe you?) deleted my post?  do you decide the "intentions" of this "community" singlehandedly?  it's a forum.  as in, multiple people sharing their individual thoughts.  there was literally a category in those Lanaboards awards for "biggest Lana hater" --------- i'm really confused what's allowed and what's not.  especially since what i said is true?  that Lana is ignorant about her privilege and should educate herself ab the issues she willingly brings up?  can we get a rundown of "the rules" ? or maybe just admit this is a website for Lana fans and it's not that big of a deal.  sorry if this is your life's work or whatever

I 100% agree with you here.  I think her reference to colonization is extremely tactless and makes her come off as privileged and ignorant.  Particularly when she must be aware of the horrors of colonization, having referenced donating money to Native groups just earlier this year and said stuff in interviews about volunteering on a reservation.  Thinking back to her (also tactless) wearing a headdress in the Ride video during the part that says "I believe in the country America used to be" -- I really don't know if Lana has ever come to terms with her privilege or the historical context it has.  Which you'd think, because she glorifies America - a white settler colony still occupying Native land - It's not a good look; that's for sure.  Particularly at a time in history where the war against indigenous people across the globe is still raging and more dire than ever.

 

IMO, in light of what's going on just this year -- with Bolsonaro encouraging further genocide against the indigenous people of Brazil, the Wet'suwet'en people facing Canada's continued brush off of their rights and sovereignty, the way the out of control Australian fires have highlighted the importance of Aboriginal wisdom, the Costa Rican indigenous activist Yehry Rivera being murdered as the Broran community is trying to reclaim their land -- it's never been clearer that the impact of colonialism is still a massive wound in today's world.  For Lana to throw out such a loaded term so casually, and probably referencing some bullshit first world white girl problem like breaking up with her cop boyfriend or thinking her fans are mean to her or some shit -- it's really honestly disgusting to me.  She's built her entire career glamorizing American history without a single mention of how the entire country she "loves" is built upon violence, carnage, millions of dead bodies, and complete disregard for life.  If it wasn't official before (and tbh I havent been a fan for a while) I cannot be a fan of Lana at the fuck all.  She has all this money and privilege and a massive platform with millions of fans doting on her every word, and she's doing jack shit with it.  What a fucking waste.

 

why my shit getting deleted? in case Lana sees and decides to actually educate herself?  or gets mad because she's getting called out for being ignorant?  LANA - your best move here is to recognize your privilege, grow up, and actually advocate for anyone besides yourself as well as yourself.  be a feminist, not not not a feminist.  be anti-racist.  give a fuck.  or, you know, dont get mad when people say youre full of shit.  because you are.  (just in case LAna's reading)

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I 100% agree with you here.  I think her reference to colonization is extremely tactless and makes her come off as privileged and ignorant.  Particularly when she must be aware of the horrors of colonization, having referenced donating money to Native groups just earlier this year and said stuff in interviews about volunteering on a reservation.  Thinking back to her (also tactless) wearing a headdress in the Ride video during the part that says "I believe in the country America used to be" -- I really don't know if Lana has ever come to terms with her privilege or the historical context it has.  Which you'd think, because she glorifies America - a white settler colony still occupying Native land - It's not a good look; that's for sure.  Particularly at a time in history where the war against indigenous people across the globe is still raging and more dire than ever.

 

IMO, in light of what's going on just this year -- with Bolsonaro encouraging further genocide against the indigenous people of Brazil, the Wet'suwet'en people facing Canada's continued brush off of their rights and sovereignty, the way the out of control Australian fires have highlighted the importance of Aboriginal wisdom, the Costa Rican indigenous activist Yehry Rivera being murdered as the Broran community is trying to reclaim their land -- it's never been clearer that the impact of colonialism is still a massive wound in today's world.  For Lana to throw out such a loaded term so casually, and probably referencing some bullshit first world white girl problem like breaking up with her cop boyfriend or thinking her fans are mean to her or some shit -- it's really honestly disgusting to me.  She's built her entire career glamorizing American history without a single mention of how the entire country she "loves" is built upon violence, carnage, millions of dead bodies, and complete disregard for life.  If it wasn't official before (and tbh I havent been a fan for a while) I cannot be a fan of Lana at the fuck all.  She has all this money and privilege and a massive platform with millions of fans doting on her every word, and she's doing jack shit with it.  What a fucking waste.

 

just wnna bring this back for a sec to say i told you so to all the sycophants.  that being said, cant wait for the new album lel

The fact that people think she’s racist... the post has no racist undertones whatsoever I’m shocked people are even saying that. Sure she sounded ignorant, but in no way was she diminishing what the people she listed have gone through. I think she’s saying now that people can release whatever they want without extensive think pieces, can critics lay off being overly critical with her work/themes/lyrical content. That’s all. And sorry but none of these celebs ever back her up. Wack ass industry. But again (like her mothers day post) she should’ve just vented to her friends or smt... this didn’t need to be posted.

I've legit been saying since this morning and I was somehow panned as lowkey racist and ignorant. It was indeed pointless, and dare I say, stupid of her to even mention anyone in her message. But somehow people interpreted that as Lana disregarding/invalidating the struggles and hardships of the women she mentioned and in a broader spectrum WOC in the music industry as a whole.

 

Her message definitely needed better wording or should've been relegated to the garbage bin. But I still very much agreed with the part about her feeling like despite a lot of people in the industry claiming every women have their place, she still doesn't feel like she has hers. That is personally what I got from her message (not the comments that came afterwards though).

 

I feel like Lana should stick to express her innermost feelings in her music and leave it to interpretation, just like she did in 'Brooklyn Baby'. It would've been a much better look for her.

idk i read her statement not as overtly racist but not really recognizing how her own privilege, as a wealthy white woman in america, played into it.  she has done and said racist stuff in the past.  even very recently.  i posted whole things on lanaboards months ago about her blindness to racial dynamics in her 3 part video throwing shit at cops and laughing with no fear of being shot and killed.  compare that to beyonce making a video with powerful statements about Black resilience in the face of racist policing and police brutality and getting a bunch of republicans talking about lynching her or how shes "anti american" or some shit.  she wore a headdress in the Ride video while saying "i believe in the place america used to be" (presumably referring to... idk the '70s?  def not pre-colonialism).  she dated a TV cop who engaged in racial profiling on his stupid tv show and said hes "one of the good ones".....  there's a precedent for people thinking she's ignorant and blind to the racial subtext of the shit she puts out.

i think Lana specifically referencing mostly Black women - then proceeding into an angry post ab the backlash she's gotten -  reads as her slating those artists as her competition, or not getting backlash, or having advantages over her or whatever. which would be dismissing those artists experiences.  re-reading it, i can see how possibly she didn't mean it like that.  but i dont think its insanity for people to read the subtext of a white woman complaining that these (more) popular Black artists are more successful than her or not as attacked as her or something.  she really made it sound like that.

i also think its an incredibly white privilege-y thing to say "oh well this definitely isnt about race."  i think race dynamics play a much larger role in society than a lot of white people are willing to acknowledge.  part of what's interesting about this generation is how these issues ARE coming into the mainstream consciousness more.  and i think Lana, if she wants to be taken seriously like she says, should pay more attention to that.  idk, is she not not racist or not not anti-racist?

BEYOND the race thing, her whole point is that she wasn't glamorizing abuse.  WHY then, has she recently done things such as stop singing "Cola" bc of how it glamorizes a Harvey Weinstein-esque predatory relationship or "he hit me and it felt like a kiss"?  she clearly thinks those things are problematic.  i think its possible Lana has faced abusive or exploitative scenarios and relationships in her life, if her music is to be taken as autobiographical to some extent.  she literally started out singing about Lolita relating the story to herself.  which is straight up about an underage girl being abused and exploited by a narcissistic older man.  she may not be glamorizing it.  and i dont think acknowledging the reality of those dynamics is bad.  but she could use her story as a way to advocate for women instead of being "not not a feminist."

What artists in particular you stan for received a million more backlash than LDR? 

M.I.A. 100% hands down.  and MIA actually stands for stuff that matters, made way more innovative music, had way more people try to rip off her art, and still gets paid dust.  M.I.A. cannot sneeze without backlash

I feel u. Definitely! I'm seriously thinking she's still got a lot of thinking to do on her hands, but to me, it also might mean that her outlook's changing as well. Which personally, I'm glad. Again, we've always known her to b sensitive since the start, and I'm rooting for her to just balance things out. I seriously won't lie tho, today was a breath of fresh air.

I see both sides, and it's really just a complex and compiled, enmeshed sort of convo. Should she have worded it better? I get that, yes. Is she allowed to also speak her mind? I think that's something we should all be at least open into doing more. I really think that pain eclipses a lot.. and its incredibly valid. But if there's a conversation where u can at least try to set ur pain aside, and practice a little bit more of empathy for that, if even a sec. That's not a stepback, thats moving together as a species, forward. I genuinely believe that.

If the atmosphere wasn't so guarded I def think we'd b able to work together on these things.

 

Gurl just lashes out mygod, it's a mess but her heart seems to be in the right place. I can't help but at least try n understand that she's hurting too. The Lanaverse, amirite lol

 

Edit: I gotta brb n run some errands. If u wanted to talk more, I'll reply but I probs wont b able to for a while, just letting ya know

tbh i agree and i dont think she was intending to harm.  but shes been in the game for almost 10 years.  she has got to know people are gonna spin a huge deal out of literally anything she does.  i fully support her speaking her mind and expressing herself however she wants.  i dont think she ever should cave for what the industry or critic wants from her.  but that comes with an amount of backlash, so i hope she figures out a way to deal with the backlash better.  even if its jsut ignoring it.  she has made wonderful art that so many people adore.  just because someone drags her in a blog post or whatever shouldnt negate that.  i just hope she can find peace with maybe being an underground icon who doesnt have to be everyone's taste

points were made. but regarding the whole grip part of it she can't help it if this is what she wanted to do for a living. and who wants to be bad at what they like to do? I actually think it was incredibly sweet of her to care, and pull a lust for life, or nfr. I definitely think she's got a love/hate relationship w fame, and that she's still processing a lot about what that means to her. it was a kind gesture nonetheless.

 

Caring is such a double bladed sort of thing, and I think it's really important to tackle the issues, not people if anything. if it genuinely upsets a person, perspective can and still might b delayed a bit, but that shouldn't mean that the upset can just be bought away.. we're all human at the end of the day. 

agreed but she has always had so many people who love her too.  its like thats not good enough for her or something.  idk maybe she never wanted to be adored by gays and depressed people so she doesnt care what we think.  i just dont get why she leans into the hate she gets.  it would be upsetting for anyone, but even like Beyonce received a ton of hate and responds by ... not responding.  not giving bullshit more air to breathe.

honestly i hope Lana goes scorched Earth.  i think she is tone deaf, full of privileged ignorance, and pretty foolish to be intentionally calling in this sort of shit when she clearly cares way too much what her haters think - but no fucks given Lana would be a million times more engaging than whatever she's been serving recently.  there's plenty of people who are problematic as fuck that are still authentically themselves and end up being kinda bad bitches.  she said "fresh outta fucks forever" but it's clear she gives several fucks.  if she wants to express herself however she wants, which i think she should, she's gotta be willing to face whatever people respond to it with.  it's like damn.  you cant want to express yourself but be afraid of backlash.  there's artists i really respect who have received a million times more backlash than Lana but just stick to what they believe because that's authentic for them.  i worry about her self image bc she's a fucking uber successful millionaire pop star thats worried about what people on the internet write about her??????  good god girl get a grip

as Lana works in the entertainment industry, i do have to say

i am entertained.

that being said -

Lana is racist.  Megan Fox is right.  Beyonce would never do anything like this.  Red heads deserve what they get (jk).  I will without a doubt listen to the new album when it comes out in March 2021.

 

And you're wearing time, like a flowery crown

Sitting that, sitting that big cat down

 

I love every fuckin bit of this album

Hi I'm Foxglove and I have not listened to Norman Fucking Rockwell in 27 days.  I can't believe I used to be the person who would find myself curled up on the kitchen floor, headphones in, listening to Mariner's Apartment Complex in the dark.  I knew I was at a completely new low desperate point when I burned a CD of the potato quality leak of the album recorded on a phone by Cassette Girl and listened to it over and over in my car.......  I want to thank this group for helping me recognize that even though I've suffered from horrible taste in many dark times in my life, I have the power within to break this addiction.  I never thought I would come this far, and I'm making a solemn promise to myself and my loved ones to keep going and only listen to good music with actual meaning.  Thank you so much for your support

Whewwwww god I would let her spit on me

i can tell you really have a perspective to respect

in other news, is lana dying her hair every other day?  bc that's what i do when im in the middle of a mental breakdown as well as an identity crisis

this thread has been so stressful that it has taken 10 years off my life

yeah, good riddance, ok

I don't know you so I can't judge you but the way you refer to Lana is very disrespectful, you seem to want to prove what her real intentions are, but you can't. Lana does not try to take advantage of any minorities, she writes how things feel to her, many songs are autobiographical. I don't feel she tries to take advantage of native Americans culturally.

 

You mention the Amazonian indigenous people.

I have native Brazilian indigenous blood from my grandmother and I can say I don't feel offended by Lana at all.

 

 

disrespectful bc i called her a racist for passingly referring to native american issues and donning a headdress but ignoring the enduring history of colonialism?  i dont presume to know Lana's intentions.  did you even read my post?

that's great ab your heritage, and indigenous people are not a monolith, as im sure you know.  how do you feel ab the continued environmental destruction of indigenous land, disproportionately high imprisonment of native people, blind eyes turned to missing and murdered indigenous women/girls/two spirit people, rejection of tribal sovereignty, etc?  do you think enough is being done in the world to combat the continued degradation of indigenous people and sustainable lifestyles?  this is a genuine question.  i really dont expect Lana to do anything, but i think its disrespectful af for her to bring up native issues then only barely scratch the surface of whats really going on there when its a really dire situation that the fate of our entire planet depends on.

i really am not trying to fight with you so im gonna take a break from the shadiness.  i care ab what happens to this planet.  i care ab indigenous people and everything they have faced at the hands of colonists and destructive industry.  i care about people who continue to get sidelined and marginalized and ignored.  and i wish anyone with a platform would do more about it, because people with money, fame, and power are the ones who actually have the potential to make real change.  i know that criticizing lana on a forum isnt really doing anything about any of these issues, but i have a lot of feelings, and these are my opinions of Lana's poetry or whatever that she shares for the world to see.  i used to really respect her as an artist and think she was capable of a lot more.  but i dont have to only have positive thoughts and glowing reviews of her work.  thats not my responsibility

back to the shadiness:

i hope all your sycophantic respect for Lana really pays off when she reads these threads and sends you VIP tickets to the next show she cancels.

You have no right to call anyone an ignorant. You obviously think you're so knowledgeable and superior to other Lana fans.

When did you start listening to her?

 

 

can you pls point out where i was ignorant or acting superior to anyone?  so sorry that standing up for adequate acknowledgment of the struggles of indigenous people by an actually ignorant rich artist with a massive platform and history of racist bullshit is so troubling to you.  do you have an opinion of your own you'd like to share, or just more whining about other people's?

Lana is serving backwoods church girl hick with that hair. Can't wait to see her come out on stage with a floor length denim skirt, her Bible, and her 11 kids and counting

This is the most perfect tagline for the site since "Fortress of Bullshit".

 

@@Elle can we change the home page title? LanaBoards: The Number 1 Lana Del Rey Community a fart in the abyss

Ok no offense tho, for Lana Stans Lanaboards is like scripture or whatever

the wisdom, the eloquence, the insight, the profoundness of it all.

 

 

you SPILLED. lanaboreds ain't ready for this conversation. 

i love you sweetie <3

so i write poetry as well. i would like the freedom to use almost all words that i can. how do i know when something shouldn't be used or said? i write about things that i have never experienced, i've heard other people mention artists who do this and that they think it is wrong. what are the benefits of censoring myself and what are the repercussions of me censoring myself. i'd like to be able to use "colonize" if i want to. words have different meanings, sometimes very heavy, disgusting connotations. i want to express myself in any way i please. 

 

i'm asking for a respectful answer. my question may be ignorant and isn't written eloquently, but i am truly curious and conflicted and would like to hear what some people think

who is asking anyone to censor themselves except the people telling me to shut up with my analysis?  i never said anything about that, and it's a bad faith argument to pretend anyone here is saying "you are not allowed to express yourself!!!" ... anyone can do what they want, but you have to allow people to respond how they want.  you can talk about whatever you want, and people can respond however they want.  idk where this idea that people arent allowed to say some shit comes in.  if you talk about something in an ignorant way, like Lana does and has, someone may use their freedom to express themselves to express their issues with whatever.  it goes both ways.

as for what you want to make art about, i've heard a common phrase "write what you know"... you dont have to follow this, whatever.  but people say that because you are going to have the most meaningful perspective about something you know that affects you.  if youre writing about something youve never experienced, what are you bringing to the table regarding those experiences?  it comes with the potential of backlash from people who do have those experiences / think youve got it wrong / or whatever the case may be.  do what you will, but be aware that the rest of the world will do what they will as well.

i mean this in the most respectful and genuine way

You did not understand my point at all, sadly. I may have not made it clear enough. 

My point was, and still is, that the use of the term "colonize" in a poem has absolutely nothing to do with any of these issues. Because a word has multiple significations. You are absolutely off-topic since the beginning and fighting an imaginary enemy.

 

It is NOT "referencing native american issues".

 

 

You clearly do not know how to read and to interpret things. It is bad. English may not be your first english (it is not mine either), but there is no excuse for trying to making me look like I actually support colonization. You do not have to do this if you do not agree with my point which has absolutly nothing to do with supporting/condemning/ackowledging colonization.

except Lana has recently explicitly said she's addressing native american issues in her poetry and made claims of donating money to native american groups as her own form of reparations?  so it actually is something that's explicitly in her mindscape.

 

Ugh. There is absolutly no impact here. 

It is intellectually untenable to prohibit poetry (and literature in general) from using certain words on the pretext that they designate, in their primary meaning, historical or current facts that would offend the persons concerned.

I know that I am supposed to provide arguments here to support my point of view, but it is really difficult because I find it so absurd that such things have to be demonstrated.

 

The most dramatic thing is that here the word that offends you is "colonization", a word that is part of the history of all human populations without exception (because all of them have colonized or have been colonized), but especially because this word has long been used in a figurative sense. Its use is in no way linked to any crime whatsoever, nor is it a word that it would be unfortunate to use in relation to people who would suffer today from the evils that accompany a process of colonization - whether you like it or not.

I would have understood the hesitation if she had made an express reference to crimes related to colonization, but here this is not the case at all. 

 

There is in your arguments an unfortunate mixture of illiteracy and confusion in your political commitments. You have never been colonized in the slightest, and if you were, you would have much more reason to be offended than bad poetry, which has nothing to do with it.

 

wow you have no idea what youre talking about lol.  i wrote about how it's ignorant for Lana to continually reference native american issues without actually addressing them directly, accurately, or adequately, particularly as a rich celebrity with a massive platform that has the potential to impact the larger culture.  that's far from being "offended" about it.  where did i say "she's not allowed to use these words bc they hurt my feelings!!!!"? lol.  we can all say and do whatever we want.  that's just reality.  so just as Lana can write shitty poetry with ill-conceived metaphors, i can call out why it's ignorant and share my bit about it.  or are you triggered by coming across my opinion and would rather shut me up?

you're wrong, btw, about all human populations being colonized, which you'd maybe have seen, if youd actually looked into what i said in my post instead of just acting like you know everything.  there are existing indigenous people who have never been colonized and are currently under attack.  that's the whole point of what i was saying ab indigeneous tribes in the amazon threatened by bolsonaro, the wet'suwet'en people resisting current domination by the canadian govt, etc.  even completely un-contacted tribes still exist.  Colonization is still happening, and indigenous people still exist.  Do you just not know what the word means, so it's easier for you to pretend you do than actually educate yourself?

your argument is especially stupid and cruel, even if you weren't completely wrong, bc you just consign yourself and the world to domination by imperialists.  "colonization has happened a bunch of places, so lets all just go along with it"... wtf.  people are still, currently, resisting these systems, fighting back, and fighting to decolonize where it's already taken over.  like actually educate yourself. dont take it from me - listen to indigenous people.  that is, if youre not so prejudiced that you dismiss out of hand any perspective that doesnt confirm and validate your shitty biases.  idk where youre from, but Lana and I live on Turtle Island, where the violent history of colonization still affects the culture and people today.  it's an important issue that deserves a full analysis.  i'd rather align myself with people currently fighting against neocolonialism, and fighting to decolonize, than the rich and ignorant who just want to control everything and subjugate everyone else.

which brings me to what we can agree on, which is actually that there probably isn't that much impact.  mostly because Lana is quickly making herself pretty fucking irrelevant to any larger cultural conversation.  and Lanaboards is like a fart in the abyss, so it's not like my words here will have any impact.  i just find it so disappointing that people like Lana, and apparently you, can come so close to actually grappling with the reality of this issue and end up still turning away from gathering any real knowledge about it.  Lana has the platform and potential to make an impact on our world, and she doesn't do shit.  that's her prerogative, but it's my right to say that fucking sucks.  stay prejudiced and ignorant, i guess

How dare you call me an ignorant?

You know squat about me.

 

 

Ok

Jesus Christ, why all this over-analysing after some poetry she posted? Some of you are nurturing hate towards her like it feeds you.

I wouldn't be on a fan forum just to judge every move an artist makes.

Her intention is not to insult native americans, calling her racist is too much.

I can't take this anymore.

Lol guuurl, i literally said nothing, no idea why you’re sending this meltdown my way.

 

Oof, coming thru with a Taylor gif? I'll disregard, thx!