FIREANDWATER

Thank you for posting this. It's important to be aware of things like this. It's just sad and scary, and actually quite fascinating, how deeply psychological racism, xenophobia, and nationalism can be. It's important to remember that this man is probably not a bad person, as he must not be reasonably and rationally able to be normal. He must have some cognitive disability that is preventing him from being normal. And it's also important to be real and call this what it really is: abnormal. It's not necessarily evil. It's primal, psychological. Remembering that is the only way to maintain a sense of inner peace that can allow us to deal with this terrible situation.

is that account lana's?

eliminate FMWUTTT and is this happiness immunity: pretty when you cry

oh wow very descriptive!! i will listen through the album with that in mind and get back to you

aah wow that geidi primes froot picture is so cool. i've only listened to geidi primes and visions and still can't listen to halfaxa yet because i feel like i haven't digested geidi primes enough yet. good luck with this though!

ok first of all everyone please just be cautious with the gaga comparisons because lana is a completely different artist in so many ways. lana would never sing anything off of arptop because she doesn't play the role of postmodern pop star as gaga does. i love artpop and ultraviolence equally but they are completely different in terms of the story they tell. second of all, the video to me was pretty pointless. the orange is obviously referring to a clockwork orange, but i don't see any depth or even any poetry in the video. this video does remind me of the video for the edge of glory, just because it's pointless (not because gaga and lana should be compared subjectively) but i just can not get anything intellectual out of this video.

this is amazing. don't have time to read at the moment but this is much appreciated!

awesome thanks :)

sorry i didn't understand what this was and i don't know how to delete my post

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That's all that I have or That's all that I am.

yeah i get what you're saying. the three songs so far do have their own unique sounds, but i think they still have a similar sound overall. i like how it's guitar driven instead of hip-hop-beat driven like born to die was. i feel like this is the album she wanted to make before born to die, but born to die was her commercial release in a way. i don't know if that makes sense, but i'm excited to hear the whole album. i also think i will really appreciate how she described the album as a blend between east coast and west coast, because i've lived on both coasts, and i totally get how you can feel both of them in her new songs. angels forever and the paradise songs are examples of total west coast feel, but west coast (song) is a perfect hybrid of the two. i think west coast in the context of the album is also going to sound a lot better, and along with ultraviolence (song), it will help to tell the overall story of the album. i don't think her released songs are meant to be singles. i think they're meant to be heard in the context of an album. except for ride. and video games. and born to die. those three are just fine on their own. this has become a rant. i've had too much coffee and too little sleep so i'm ranting. now i'm ranting about ranting. sorry. i'm just excited for the album!

definitely methamphetamines!

i think that a theme of the upcoming album could be the color spectrum. ultraviolet light, shades of colors- we see these concepts in black beauty. the color spectrum is a great theme and it goes so well with the black and white imagery.

its funny how thats not even directly what she's about, so much of who she is involves that sense of her being a freedom fighter. its cool how it worked out because in my opinion, thats not the initial intent of her music

no it's like a tribal flute or something! reminds me of the flute in ride. only because it's a flute though.

i always thought it was voodoo but there's a route makes so much more sense!! i'm playing right now to hear it again. i'm gonna press enter twice and then tell you what i think. .i heard "this a route to" maybe "this the route to" or maybe "this the route two" nope now i hear "mister voodoo" damn it now i hear "it's the voodoo" what does 69 million stars mean?

thank you, sitarhero

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woah wait how legit can we trust that picture to be?

The ultraviolence theme can easily be assumed to be associated with a clockwork orange. A clockwork orange is in my top 3 favorite movies of all time (along with American beauty and 2001 a space odyssey; these were my favorites before I had heard of Lana so it's a little coincidental but whatever). The concepts in a clockwork orange revolve around social conditioning and philosophical/sociological morality. Ultraviolence in the book/movie is the idea of every human action being beautiful because humans are beautiful- even the most evil murders and rapes are beautiful because they display the potential of human beings. So when morality comes in, it is a basic question of whether forcing someone to act "morally" is a moral thing to do; for instance, in a clockwork orange, doctors condition the main character Alex to feel physically sick when he feels the desire to rape or murder, so he's not going to do it, which is good. But the priest says that since he doesn't have a choice, he is nothing more than a machine, and destroying his ability to kill and destroy has tainted his ability to consciously create good choices as well. Ultraviolence is when he raped and killed people and Beethoven is playing because it's so beautiful that he is destroying. Destruction and creation are the same ting, especially when understood from Lana del Rey's postmodern pop singer persona. Her deconstruction is beautiful but people may not like it because it minimizes the artistry of her role models. Also, everyone should understand why it's called a clockwork orange: to socially condition someone to the point of them papering to be a beautiful person when in reality they are just a puppet machine underneath is similar to viewing a beautiful orange and cutting it open only to find literal gears and cogs inside working like clockwork. This is so Lana! Any time she uses the word orange, it is a reference to her understanding of creation (both art and Adam+eve shit). Example: in the orange light, the fog is rising The word violet or ultraviolent in her lyrics obviously refers to destruction. And black beauty (I think the song is definitely about meth addiction recovery, and it is extremely similar to the song methamphetamines), hundred dollar bill, and Hawaiian tropic (you can't come back from being that bad just to sit at home. Pledge allegiance to the flag) would fit perfectly into these themes of overcoming drug addiction in order to live happily. Her struggle is trying to find a way to be sober, meaning free of all drugs, and surviving only off of love. She is beautiful.

haha yeah i read into things too much a lot, but i also have always felt like there was a lot more mystery and unknowable concepts in bel air. it's just weird, you know?

yeah i see what you're both saying but redemption/regaining of innocence seems way too simple for such a complicated song. is there a thread for bel air where we can move this conversation? the only interpretation i can throw in is that it reminds me a little bit of fordham road, where she says stone mary in the garden. it gives me an impression of her feeling like she needs to compromise her ethics/religion in order to be a nicer woman, but then she looks at the idolized religious figure and then wonders why she desires to be as chaste and unattainable as not mary herself, but of a statue of mary, which in reality is much harder to believe in.

i agree with you on this. it wasn't supposed to be allegory, and the non-nakedness seemed like something wrong. they knew too much before they ate the fruit. wait please please please explain how you thought that!

wow thank you for this response. it's very non-emotional and honest and you seem to respect my opinions without criticizing them! thanks! ok so first, i get what you're saying about some of lana's lyrics being over the top, but the way i view almost every song on born to die and paradise is that they are completely driven by the production, and lana's lyrics are just like a little layer of flowers on top of an actual work of art. it's easy for me to imagine her listening to the instrumental version of cola and then spontaneously "rapping" over the "beat" with poetry that doesn't even really make sense. it's all imagery and that's why i love poetry- it has form with no function. i hope this makes sense because it's hard to explain and i'm not as developed poetically like lana is (haha..............) basically i view her as a rapper in her released songs. i focus a lot more on the soundscape of american and the YEAHS in the background of diet mtn dew than i focus on the actual lyrics. literally the lyrics almost don't even make sense. these songs are more like sonic paintings than they are substantial functional stories. however, her unreleased songs are much more song-like and can stand on their own as poems. methamphetamines is one of my absolute favorite poems of all time. the way i can explain this is that methamphetamines is a poem whereas black beauty is a story, but they are essentially the same subject- relationship deterioration due to drug use. in my opinion, all art can either be categorized as a poem, a story, or both. most of lana's songs are both, but some are only one or the other. video games is just perfect. it's just perfect production and lyrics. but when i want to listen to the poetry, i almost always choose the demo over the album version. actually i barely ever ever ever even listen to born to die or paradise, and i prefer the demos over the album versions. when i want to listen to the production, i'll listen to the album from start to finish and not even think about what the lyrics are. i almost view them more as like a flute in the background. her voice becomes an instrument in the released songs, where it is more of a tool in her acoustic and unreleased songs. anyway. lorde is like a little babyyyy! she's as honest and expressive as possible, but her released songs are just not poems. they are stories. and good relatable pop stories. i just don't view lorde as an artist. her production allows me to take her seriously as a performer, but i'm sure when lana was 16 she wasn't as developed as she is now. the truth is just that 16 year olds really don't have much to say! lord needs to experience a little more life before she translates her life experience into a work of art. does lorde have any unreleased songs? i haven't even ok i'm literally listening to pure heroine right now and it's really not that bad so like i kind of digress but still lana>lorde anyway. i haven't even looked up to see if lorde has any unreleased songs. i hear what you're saying about her still being able to be an artist at 16, but like when it comes to poetry, unfortunately most young people don't know anything. like i'm 19 and i'm a poet, as is anyone else who chooses to be one, and i do my best with making poems but they're just not good because i don't have enough experience in writing. it takes a while for people to develop their own style of poetry, and while i'm happy that lorde is like super famous and gonna be super successful now, i just think it's unfortunate that she only has the first 16 years of her life to go off of for inspiration. does this make sense at all? like, now her life is being famous, and maybe she can give her listeners some insight into fame, but she can't tell the story of TIWMUG because her sixteen year old life is apparently "boring compared to other people" and she called herself an internet kid because new zealand is not that culturally rich. i'm sure she's capable of amazing art, but so is anyone who commits themselves to creation.