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p.s. maybe i'm being too optimistic but i have faith that our cultural differences will be celebrated and respected and the global homogenization will never come to be, despite the corporate will for it to be so, so that they may reach a globalized audience of consumers. internet can cause everything to seem to be progressively stewed in one big melting pot of sameness, negating the particular, but i think that perhaps it can have the opposite effect of enlightening us and connecting us. sorry for my sunday morning meanderings of the mind!

perhaps i'm wrong, but i interpreted that fluorine meant that this type of appropriation that strips things of their true meaning is rampant in this tumblr day and age, not that it's OK for it to be so. it's fundamental that we question everything and not accept the status quo and and just give up and shrug and think "that's just how things are". no way! this is a great discussion because it helped a lot of people transcend their individual, possibly uninformed perspective on this and other matters. lana herself has appropriated images just because they're beautiful to her and by changing their context gives them a new "artistic" connotation. her glamorization of the mob is terrible, for example, when you think of the people who are subjected to the tiranny of the mafia in italy (and worldwide). i think it's worthwile to debate and give things real thought. that's what i love about this forum: through themes that stem from lana-related discussions, everyone reflects on important issues and shares their views and in that, we are mutually enriched by other's outlooks and personal experiences and sometimes reconsider previous stances. hopefully all of this can lead to broadening our horizons and transcending the limitations of our geographical and mental locations

monicker, i just love everything you said. i've thought about these matters but never put them into (eloquent) words. 100% agree! you should have a music column in a good publication (magazine/newspaper, etc). and then, one day they'd ask you to interview lana and it would all come full circle!

i LOVE this! Sitar, you rule! i was missing a few words before and that was a shame, especially with these more meaningful songs. you complete us

¡qué pasó, indeed! seriously, she painted such amazing pictures with her words. but i guess that change in lyrical style (less metaphorical and profound, more straightforward and repetitive) was part of the transition into her lana del rey persona. it really is a pity. hopefully, she's still got it in her to re-connect with the "beautiful poet" side of her creativity. more of this and less of the poppy, "fun" but shallow 2011/12 leaked songs-style, please

yes! (maybe post-mike?) that's part of why i love this song, i can really relate - but replace elvis with jeff buckley or elliott smith, in my case

thanks, sitar, once again! ♥ now, blue hydrangea again! like in axl rose husband! another mike song?

i had never understood this part! "He's sick and he's taken, but honest" ...something else for her "other woman" background, i guess?

exactly! that's why it's one thing to speculate if she would've been successful as her natural, "may jailer" self and another thing to imagine if she looked altogether different, with another ("plainer") face. i don't think lizzy has ever been homely, look at her highschool yearbook pic, she was really pretty i actually think she's more gorgeous without the big lips, but that's totally subjective.

i beg to differ! she wouldn't have been as successful and as popular as she now is, of course, but with her voice and songwriting she would not have been extremely unsuccessful! i think if she was "normal"-looking she would've received indie acclaim, i'm pretty sure of that, and more focus would've been on her music. you can bet her life would be more peaceful and calm and low-profile, that's for sure! but at the same time, she was unsatisfied with her moderate buzz of yore and she wanted this stardom - and she got it. it's a double-edged sword.

i think so. thank you maru for this more scientific, psycho-sociological outlook...i think there's truth to it!

i think she would have many other things to sing about (even though if she didn't feel pretty she'd probably be a different person in many respects). i think she has a sensitive soul and a talent with words, both in poetry and prose, so it's likely she'd be writing and singing from a very emotional and sharp, witty perspective, perhaps heightened by being able to live more under the radar, in a way. who knows? ^_^

i think it helped and hindered her, depending from where you look at it. it helped in garnering younger fans and fashion folk, but it was detrimental for her "authenticity" and "credibility" and led to backlash, especially because the changes she's made to her appearance are obvious, not only compared to the existing past footage but because contrived and artificial usually don't captivate the more "serious" music aficionados. i always thought that if thom yorke had been conventionally good-looking, radiohead would have never attained the level of reverence they did. personally, when i saw "video games" i thought she was striking, but what impacted and captured me was 100% the song and that beautiful voice. so although we'll never really know, i think if we're talking success as in getting contracts and shifting units and achieving fashion maven status, then yes, it helped her. EDIT: this got me thinking and in general, less bombshell/more homely looks guarantee more respect, and i consider that that inverted-prejudice is unfair (even though the "beautiful people" have it easier in general in this superficial society we live in). why can't a gorgeous girl/guy make profound art? in music especially, appearance should be secondary, but, well, today more people listen to songs by watching them on youtube than on stereos/record players/devices.

TPD, you are an amazing investigator! two comments: remember how evilentity found arthur lynn's blog and there it said he loved "diet mountain dew" and also, there was a private post titled "diet mountain dew"? hmmm... + guess who has a jewish last name? michael mizrahi! the thing is, if "jump" were about him then he didn't meet her when he interviewed her, because by then she'd already recorded AKA! maybe they were already seeing each other and she was the other woman? this line in "axl rose husband" (which we can agree is about mike m.) always struck me: You’re my king Jewish maven Kids on vacation Florida Keys are calling it could be innocent, like "kids are on vacation in florida this time of the year" or it could be that his (or his GF/wife's) kids were on vacation, so since they're away, let's holiday in the Florida Keys! or maybe i'm pushing it

i love this song so much. when i get home i'll check that flame part this verse always kills me: Should I happen to meet you Downtown, or see you I would fall down dead I’m bereaved by you Bereaved by you who couldn't identify with that at some point in their lives?

i didn't know Lanafan9277 had found it! Props and thanks to her! ♥ i also assumed it was a friend (maybe a past ex?)...i wonder if MM was into community outreach...he just seems like such a DUDE in the videos i've seen of him, but i obviously don't know him to make such a snap judgment.

sitar HERO! :love: i hadn't seen that interview either! she is so eloquent and straightforward there, i love it!!! i recall another wonderful italian interview that was more about the record and her writing process and production (which means it's made for monicker - i'll look for it and post it), and there she said that the italian interviewers had been the best so far, cuz they asked such interesting questions (but now i'm observing what she's wearing and that means the one you posted is french, right? so i guess europeans just do it better ) i also wonder who came back into her life. is it the ex boyfriend whose couch she was sleeping on around the time of the release of BTD? i think the relationship that is thematically underlying most of BTD is with jimmy, but i may be wrong

my feelings exactly, on carrie AND brody! i am so glad season 2 has finally started. this is one of the best shows on TV right now ♥

yes, and she would be flawless, but "hallelujah"'s been so covered (heck, even on "american idol" ) that i'd rather listen to her make another song her own ♥ she loved jeff, too, so it's not impossible

i can totally see her singing that amazing song! but also giving her spin on jeff's nina simone cover, "lilac wine": another i think could be perfect for her is the beautiful, heartbreaking "i know we could be so happy baby (if we wanted to be)": and one she sang a snippet of in a BBC radio interview (and slayed): the zombies' "time of the season" ♥ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqnuI9K5ct4

100% completely agree! the production on burning desire (♥) and ride creates this heavy, pulsating ambiance that really goes with the vibe of the songs. also: this morning listening to lizzy, i was thinking about how much i want her, as lana, to - at least occasionally - go back to her higher-pitched singing! she has good range, and her lower register is sultry, but she sounds much more effortless and natural, imho, when she sings in "treble-y" tones damn those managers that advised her to sing in a huskier voice so people would take her more seriously! (though it seems they were right? :imbeingsarcasticbitch2: )

i read so many interviews last year and never anticipated a lana forum, thus i didn't save most of the links but those two are the first that came to mind - thanks EE! also...if some lana songs are biographical, well..."heavy hitter", anyone? I was lounging at the Chateau Marmont Glimmering by the swimming pool My man walked in like a slow motion movie I said "You're so cool" I heard a man screaming Lights, camera, action I c-c-can't remember what happened I overdose, You throw me over your shoulder I was dying, you were screaming Open up that Lambourghini

if i can find it, i think i recall her saying that she was saved by god a million times and that she literally died for a few seconds after an overdose (this was kind of implied). i like you guys's poetic interpretation better, but the dying she refers to may be both figurative or symbolic AND alternately literal.

♥ such a lovely, warm remembrance, evil! and such a horrible sonic nightmare, imagining the emile haynie-produced "pet sounds"! *shudder*

thank you for master class, monicker! it is such a luxury to have both mono and stereo versions of an album. "pet sounds" and the zombies' "odessey and oracle" are two i love, and, personally, in both i prefer the mono. if lana does this, it would be amazing, sonically and because it would introduce a new-"old" concept in audio and maybe develop a better sensibility and appreciation and attention to detail in a generation not accustomed to that