Random Lana Discussion Thread

[drugsdesire 10,330]

8 minutes ago, kingk said:

i said the possibility of her mistake

 

bc you guys are grasping at straws shifting the blame entirely away from her and placing it on her team which she chose to hire and associate with btw as if they make every single decision and she has no autonomy whatsoever. my god

the girl literally cannot get a hold of lana unless she goes through her team. the team is entirely at fault here. lana hired the bodyguard before the abuse even started. was she supposed to sense it and predict it 😭? you’re grasping at straws trying to make it about lana when her team is the weird one for silencing the victim. lana is autonomous but she surely cannot see everything that happens around her if she barely even uses instagram and does not have twitter/X which is what the girl primarily uses. her team could have told her about this, but instead tapmusic is deleting comments and ben is blocking people 

 

[baddisease 18,142]

5 hours ago, MrFameKills said:

Go away weirdo

The girl literally shouting out Blue Banisters in her post on X and y'all talking about what Lana did and didnt do...

 

5 hours ago, honeymoon is alive said:

girl why are you here then 

 

You know that people can be fans of someone while criticizing them and they don't even think that they need to be a good person for that to be true, @both of you.

[baddisease 18,142]

31 minutes ago, Cult Leader said:

How would this be Lana's fault, he's probably a third party hire and the company he works for is responsible for vetting him. Idk what's going on with Ben, or where his PR is cause they never seem to get their image together, it's so annoying. Maybe they're studying how to fire him,what new company to hire since they manage artists they probably have a deal with this security company????? I don't know, you don't know, no one knows. And if is a third party company, do they also work with the other artists Ben manages? What are the logistics of that?

Maybe they're vetting the girl's claims and all that corporate shit.

Some people just seem to jump to the worst conclusions like who knows what is going on, maybe they already requested a different bodyguard for Lana? If he works for an independent company I can't imagine Ben just walks in and is like yo fire him. If he's not a third party contractor then they'll have to break contract. Truth is, we simply don't know.

And if you just think Lana is the worst person ever just leave, don't stream? Like I don't know what else to tell you.

I really hope the girl is safe though and I'm sorry that happened to her.

 

 

Imo: it's not Lana's fault bc she couldn't have known bc her team is consistently garbage. But it could be her fault debatably bc her team has always been garbage.

1 hour ago, honeymoon is alive said:

no one here is getting shut down 

and why on earth this would be her mistake if this man is an employee from a security team (not personally contracted) and the last time he was seen with lana was back in august during the concerts, when no one knew about the abuse

 

he could probably be fired by now while everyone here is talking like lana is hiding him in her house 

 

You literally told someone they shouldn't be here...

[kingk 541]

3 minutes ago, drugsdesire said:

the girl literally cannot get a hold of lana unless she goes through her team. the team is entirely at fault here. lana hired the bodyguard before the abuse even started. was she supposed to sense it and predict it 😭? you’re grasping at straws trying to make it about lana when her team is the weird one for silencing the victim. lana is autonomous but she surely cannot see everything that happens around her if she barely even uses instagram and does not have twitter/X which is what the girl primarily uses. her team could have told her about this, but instead tapmusic is deleting comments and ben is blocking people 

 

 

honestly, if i am to place blame i will do so on anyone involved for allowing this to continue nearing a year after the victim contacted everybody within her cicle. and whether she knows or not, i think she would still be liable to an extent but that is besides my point. my point here is that you guys always do this, you always shift blame, you always allow negligence and ignorance. every time.

also it directly involves lana, if anything for her own safety, and i would like to think it would become personal to her too when the man she has given her dogs to, apparently bought clothes for and surrounded herself with even if purely for professional purposes currently has a restraining order against his ex partner for DV?

 

thats it

[vrsyva 49]

what’s his name? 

[Dark Angel 204,960]

NVM

[Cult Leader 6,067]

3 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

 

Imo: it's not Lana's fault bc she couldn't have known bc her team is consistently garbage. But it could be her fault debatably bc her team has always been garbage.

 

 

I'm really not saying this to be confrontational or aggressive or anything really, I like you and I think you're cool! But realistically, Lana nor Ben are his boss, they're not the CEO or HR of Black Box security, when you hire a third party service you're not that involved in background checks, the most they can do is request a new security guard and forward all of this info. I know cause my dad does a similar thing for his company, like he's polite and friendly to the security guards, but he's not all in their business y'know? I hope this girl gets in contact with Black Box security because they're the ones who can do something like firing him. I don't mean to blindly defend, I'm thinking about this logically, and like I said you can't fire someone from a company you're not in charge of. You can only say hey I don't want to work with this person anymore for these reasons please look into it and send me another bodyguard. I hope this guy gets fired cause he's awful, but that's Black Box's responsibility

[drugsdesire 10,330]

1 minute ago, kingk said:

 

honestly, if i am to place blame i will do so on anyone involved for allowing this to continue nearing a year after the victim contacted everybody within her cicle. and whether she knows or not, i think she would still be liable to an extent but that is besides my point. my point here is that you guys always do this, you always shift blame, you always allow negligence and ignorance. every time.

also it directly involves lana, if anything for her own safety, and i would like to think it would become personal to her too when the man she has given her dogs to, apparently bought clothes for and surrounded herself with even if purely for professional purposes currently has a restraining order against his ex partner for DV?

 

thats it

i’m not shifting blame when the full blame shouldn’t be on her in the first place  i understand where you’re coming from, but i don’t agree. sure it directly involves lana, but she can’t do anything about it if she doesn’t know. and if her team were to inform her, or if she were to find out someway, which i hope happens, she would know and take the right steps. i hope she knows and i hope she fires him, but her team is stopping that by silencing people and the girl for speaking out. i do get what ur saying but…

[Dark Angel 204,960]

deleted my other post because i found it misinformed and a bit crass, but i just think we shouldn't automatically assume lana's aware of the allegations and is supporting her bodyguard regardless, when we don't even know these people, what's going on in their personal lives, or how they feel about said occurrences

 

NGL it sometimes feels like some people here are just eager for an opportunity to hate on lana, to have reason to criticize her, or just want any sort of drama surrounding her they can discuss and make themselves look good about, which i find quite pathetic

 

if her bodyguard really was just some random guy who was hired from a third-party company, i really find it ridiculous to put so much blame on her when it's literally just some dude she hired, it's not like he works closely and personally with her, he likely works as a bodyguard for other people as well and is just fulfilling his role, and likely isn't too directly involve with her or her life

[baddisease 18,142]

2 minutes ago, Cult Leader said:

I'm really not saying this to be confrontational or aggressive or anything really, I like you and I think you're cool! But realistically, Lana nor Ben are his boss, they're not the CEO or HR of Black Box security, when you hire a third party service you're not that involved in background checks, the most they can do is request a new security guard and forward all of this info. I know cause my dad does a similar thing for his company, like he's polite and friendly to the security guards, but he's not all in their business y'know? I hope this girl gets in contact with Black Box security because they're the ones who can do something like firing him. I don't mean to blindly defend, I'm thinking about this logically, and like I said you can't fire someone from a company you're not in charge of. You can only say hey I don't want to work with this person anymore for these reasons please look into it and send me another bodyguard. I hope this guy gets fired cause he's awful, but that's Black Box's responsibility

 

 

Awww. I like you too!

 

 

She's not responsible for that, but she knows how really bad Ben and Ed are with a lot of things. And those two, or at least Ben, is responsible for blocking people for bringing it up. His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

[kingk 541]

Just now, baddisease said:

His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

this is how i feel.

[Cult Leader 6,067]

Just now, baddisease said:

 

 

Awww. I like you too!

 

 

She's not responsible for that, but she knows how really bad Ben and Ed are with a lot of things. And those two, or at least Ben, is responsible for blocking people for bringing it up. His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

I see what you mean! I also don't like How Tap management is handling this.

We'll see how this story develops and again I just hope this girl is safe

[Dark Angel 204,960]

5 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

 

Awww. I like you too!

 

 

She's not responsible for that, but she knows how really bad Ben and Ed are with a lot of things. And those two, or at least Ben, is responsible for blocking people for bringing it up. His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

 

her team, which is comprised of individual people who have their own thoughts, beliefs, and actions, do not automatically reflect her as a person, she can't be directly responsible for everything they do, i'm sorry, but that's very unfair to her, should she be obligated to check in on and approve of absolutely everything each individual person on her team does? she hires people to work for her and has to trust to some extent that they will do the right things, but that doesn't always mean they will, because they're all individual people at the end of the day who will do what they believe to be right, and she can't be blamed for other people's wrong actions

[dexter 2,468]

3 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

if her bodyguard really was just some random guy who was hired from a third-party company, i really find it ridiculous to put so much blame on her when it's literally just some dude she hired, if a couple hires someone to fix their roof and the guy who fixes their roof turns out to be abusive to their partner, is it the couple's fault? should we assume the couple's going to know everything about the guy who fixes their roof? no, that's ridiculous

there friends. I don’t know how else to put it but you don’t give away your dogs and buy clothes for someone that just works for you. also he was allegedly with Jeremy on his tours. he’s a friend. 

If Ben is deleting comments about this situation and ignoring complaints it proves her team are shielding him and protecting him. 
let’s not dance around it, she’s not oblivious to everything that goes on she most likely knows about it. 
We can’t just say it’s her teams fault, her team is literally a reflection of her, on her payroll, and therefore if there is no action taken about this she is also to blame 

[kingk 541]

9 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

NGL it sometimes feels like some people here are just eager for an opportunity to hate on lana, to have reason to criticize her, or just want any sort of drama surrounding her they can discuss and make themselves look good about, which i find quite pathetic

for sure 

 

but imo the disagreeing comments in regards to this topic were all very valid and clearly out of frustration   and putting lana on a pedestal is also quite pathetic

[baddisease 18,142]

3 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

her team, which is comprised of individual people who have their own thoughts, beliefs, and actions, do not automatically reflect her as a person, she can't be directly responsible for everything they do, i'm sorry, but that's very unfair to her, should she be obligated to check in on and approve of absolutely everything each individual person on her team does? she hires people to work for her and has to trust to some extent that they will do the right things, but that doesn't always mean they will, because they're all individual people at the end of the day who will do what they believe to be right, and she can't be blamed for other people's wrong actions

 

 

The role of the team is to protect and handle Lana Del Rey the artist and brand. 

 

Elizabeth Grant the person is responsible for everything involved in that brand. 

 

How the team handles things like this reflects on her as a person bc she created that brand.

[vicdelrey 758]

let's not forget charlie "ignored" her, I don't want to throw the rock at anyone, not even talking about lana here, but her teams ignoring and deleting comments are questionable.

Anyways I hope they reach to her soon and fire him, that's all we want 

[jaesana 4,130]

Just now, vicdelrey said:

let's not forget charlie "ignored" her, I don't want to throw the rock at anyone, not even talking about lana here, but her teams ignoring and deleting comments are questionable.

Anyways I hope they reach to her soon and fire him, that's all we want 

I imagine he did that for legal reasons, honestly. If I got a text like that I’d be like ??? and probably text Lana 

[vicdelrey 758]

2 minutes ago, jaesana said:

I imagine he did that for legal reasons, honestly. If I got a text like that I’d be like ??? and probably text Lana 

it's been going on since may of last year right ? they had sm time to have a talk with her I feel like he just ignored her, but who knows 

[jaesana 4,130]

1 minute ago, vicdelrey said:

this been going since may last year right ? they had sm time to have a talk with her I feel like he just ignored her but who knows 

I have no idea about the timeline of things. her brother has always given me the ick.