Berlin Christmas Market Attack

[Melania 2,386]

um.... the residents of Syria had nothing to do with the war. and who said it was a good thing? it's not. and not taken everyone? what do you mean? like, only taking women and children?

but they are from a country that's in war right now.. it's a tricky situation..

 

and yeah exactly, people who are endangered the most so woman and children

why? because, especially in islamic countries those are usually the ones getting raped, sold etc..

[Carino 16]

I'm so shocked. As some of you may know, I live in Berlin and some good friends of mine (and actually me too) where at that specific place just a bit before the attack happened. It's absolutely terrifying. What is happening in this world? 9 innocent people died, even more got injured. But do you know what'll be just as bad as this? The refugees are gonna be blamed for it, once again. My school has refugee classes where I have volunteered a few times before, and it breaks my heart that these innocent people who already had to go through this much terror are gonna be portrayed as the culprits.

Really? This is just as bad?

 

On the one hand you have 12 people dead and 48 injured. That's a lot of real life consequences, twelve of them unchangeable, a lot of hurt feelings and bodies, a lot of shock and fear, a lot of mourning and sorrow of relatives and friends.

 

On the other hand you think the feelings of asylees could get hurt because someone says that the asylum procedure is flawed?

 

In what world is this just as bad?

[leaked_version 10,499]

Lots of Germany is unhappy with Germany's past and current decisions of immigrant. if she's striving to win the next election she needs to acknowledge these types of attacks instead of putting them to the side and worrying about banning a full veil

Merkel will win the next election though. I am always baffled when ppl who have no clue about German politics give their opinion about it. Merkel's party is far ahead of the Social Democrats (her coalition partner and second biggest party in Germany who supports her politics towards migrants and asylum seekers). 

 

Even IF her party loses the election (which would be another world wonder) the Social Democrats would win and they would need a coalition partner, which would be Merkel's party again. If they opt against that, they would have to make a coalition with the Green Party and the socialists (both of them on the far left). 

 

Only one party is opposing Merkel's politics right now and they have nobody who wants  a coalition with them, cause they are way too far rightwinged and even sympathize with the nationalists. 

 

So check your facts, before posting crap.

 

Thanks and my warmest wishes

 

 

Besides that, I find it VERY, VERY tactless to talk about elections when just 12 people died because of a terrorist.

[Carino 16]

oh so obvious Putin did this, he wants Merkel out and voila he attempts something that has (at least one person here wants her out

oh the timing is no coincidence. There are no coincidences in the political world. This was a hit job trying to send a message to bring Merkel down

(and so I believe was what happened in Turkey. Putin wants NATO nations gone and world instability up.

(plus Putin wants gas prices to rise, as he has been hurt by low prices

 

Spock logic.

 

The free world needs to fight for Merkel's and NATO's survival. This is a coordinated hit job

imho

Dec 11, 2016

 

“ISIS media outlets started to promote footage of one of the leader’s speech, at a mosque in the city of Mosul, threatening to attack European countries during Christmas celebrations,” the source told Alsumaria.

 

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/isis-media-mosul-urges-target-europe-christmas/

[reputation 6,321]

Merkel will win the next election though. I am always baffled when ppl who have no clue about German politics give their opinion about it. Merkel's party is far ahead of the Social Democrats (her coalition partner and second biggest party in Germany who supports her politics towards migrants and asylum seekers). 

 

Even IF her party loses the election (which would be another world wonder) the Social Democrats would win and they would need a coalition partner, which would be Merkel's party again. If they opt against that, they would have to make a coalition with the Green Party and the socialists (both of them on the far left). 

 

Only one party is opposing Merkel's politics right now and they have nobody who wants  a coalition with them, cause they are way too far rightwinged and even sympathize with the nationalists. 

 

So check your facts, before posting crap.

 

Thanks and my warmest wishes

 

 

Besides that, I find it VERY, VERY tactless to talk about elections when just 12 people died because of a terrorist.

you have a good point, but I believe I proclaimed that wrong. what I meant was if Merkel wants to appeal to all of Germany, even if she were to win, she needs to start focusing on much more important things instead of trying to ban Muslim women from wearing a full veil because it prevents them conforming into German culture and acknowledge these attacks properly, in which I haven't seen her do. Donald is president, but if America is extremely upset and unhappy with the results is that good? no. and tactless? I wasn't insulting the victims nor ignoring them & I even suggested we should focus on them. ok

[velveteen 362]

Really? This is just as bad?

 

On the one hand you have 12 people dead and 48 injured. That's a lot of real life consequences, twelve of them unchangeable, a lot of hurt feelings and bodies, a lot of shock and fear, a lot of mourning and sorrow of relatives and friends.

 

On the other hand you think the feelings of asylees could get hurt because someone says that the asylum procedure is flawed?

 

In what world is this just as bad?

 

 

Sorry, I think you must have missed my point. Also, keep in mind that I might not be able to express myself flawlessly as English is not my mother tongue, but I'll try to explain anyway. 

 

Of course people dying is the worst thing that could possibly happen, there's no doubt about that. Germany and all the other countries that have been affected by terrorist attacks have had a really hard time and I think there's almost no one who hasn't been affected by this or hasn't felt deep grieve. Our beliefs and lifestyle have been attacked by an extremist group who doesn't only hurt our western beliefs and culture, but also their very own people. Refugees who come to Germany have been through a lot. Do you even know how much harassment by right-winged parties they have gone through besides the trauma they already had? Most teenagers and kids who came here lost their families. In big and international cities like Berlin it's mostly alright in terms of accepting refugees, but in small towns like my hometown in the north, people burned down refugee centers and right-winged parties have demonstrated with torches. Sadly, some people who claim to be refugees aren't and do things that damage the image of the people who actually need help and want to integrate. I fully agree with you that the asylum procedure is flawed, I never claimed that it wasn't. There should have been more thorough controls before letting in so many people all at once. This didn't only allow extremist to enter but also created huge problems because authorities simple didn't know how many people exactly needed help. This isn't about hurt feelings. It's about innocent people who truly need help and want to start over here have bigger problems integrating because a small group of people intentionally do crimes and they get blamed as the culprits. You can't deny that they have a very very hard time here, trying to carry on after all that happened and having to deal with so much prejudice. And again, I didn't mean to downplay the horrors of what has happened. I simply tried to state that sadly not only innocent people had to give their lives away, but also that a group of people who didn't have anything to do this will have an even harder time now. Refugees ≠ Terrorists.

 

And sorry to say it like that, but if there was anything you didn't agree with in my initial post, you could have tried to phrase it a tad bit more friendly. There's no need to be passive-agressive and try to pick a fight. I don't like it when my words get twisted.

 

(I haven't slept much lately, so excuse my English :dead:)

[Tristesse 1,765]

It's not a surprise, sadly... So sorry for Berlin

[bummersummer 2,218]

me reading half the comments

 

 

joke's on me for coming into politics posts on LB tho. leaving now.

[Carino 16]

Sorry, I think you must have missed my point. Also, keep in mind that I might not be able to express myself flawlessly as English is not my mother tongue, but I'll try to explain anyway. 

 

Of course people dying is the worst thing that could possibly happen, there's no doubt about that. Germany and all the other countries that have been affected by terrorist attacks have had a really hard time and I think there's almost no one who hasn't been affected by this or hasn't felt deep grieve. Our beliefs and lifestyle have been attacked by an extremist group who doesn't only hurt our western beliefs and culture, but also their very own people. Refugees who come to Germany have been through a lot. Do you even know how much harassment by right-winged parties they have gone through besides the trauma they already had? Most teenagers and kids who came here lost their families. In big and international cities like Berlin it's mostly alright in terms of accepting refugees, but in small towns like my hometown in the north, people burned down refugee centers and right-winged parties have demonstrated with torches. Sadly, some people who claim to be refugees aren't and do things that damage the image of the people who actually need help and want to integrate. I fully agree with you that the asylum procedure is flawed, I never claimed that it wasn't. There should have been more thorough controls before letting in so many people all at once. This didn't only allow extremist to enter but also created huge problems because authorities simple didn't know how many people exactly needed help. This isn't about hurt feelings. It's about innocent people who truly need help and want to start over here have bigger problems integrating because a small group of people intentionally do crimes and they get blamed as the culprits. You can't deny that they have a very very hard time here, trying to carry on after all that happened and having to deal with so much prejudice. And again, I didn't mean to downplay the horrors of what has happened. I simply tried to state that sadly not only innocent people had to give their lives away, but also that a group of people who didn't have anything to do this will have an even harder time now. Refugees ≠ Terrorists.

 

And sorry to say it like that, but if there was anything you didn't agree with in my initial post, you could have tried to phrase it a tad bit more friendly. There's no need to be passive-agressive and try to pick a fight. I don't like it when my words get twisted.

 

(I haven't slept much lately, so excuse my English :dead:)

I appreciate the kindness of your response. You are right, I should have phrased it differently. Let's leave it at that, my english isn't good enough to explain why your post hit a nerve. I'm from Germany too, so you can probably guess why.  

[Cherry on Top 395]

I don't think banning refugees from entering countries is a solution, as this would go against the basic human rights of these people, who are only trying to escape war zones. Obviously, terrorists are going to take this opportunity to come and pretend they're also refugees, but that doesn't mean the doors should be closed to everybody else who is genuine.

 

As an immediate measure more checks should be implemented when dealing with refugees to avoid the infiltration of terrorists. Totally closing the doors and borders is just plain selfish and cruel.

 

What governments should really do in the medium and long term is to look at the real root of the problem: Intervening in these conflict areas for the sake of their own national interests. For as long as this goes on, terrorism is going to be a big problem.

 

The media tends to focus on the effects and don't look at what the real causes are. It is very easy to blame it on a religion or a group of people. It all reminds me of Germany before the war, when everything was being blamed on the Jews... and look at what happened.

 

As someone else said, this is not about downplaying the severity of what has been happening but we also have to put things into perspective. Nearly every day you can hear of terrorists attacks in the Middle East or even Africa, that are far worse than those happening in Europe. Nobody seems to care.

[Thunder Revenant 20,943]

weeeeell of course i know not every refugee is like that, hell 99% aren't

 

BUT if we wouldn't have let them in this wouldn't have happened

That's bullsh*t. Do you really think these people come here and then suddenly decide "oh well, why not start a terror attack and kill some people"?

 

Germany, just like France, are western countries that are "interesting" for those terrorists. Do you really think they would just get here as refugees on accident? Do you not think they have ways to get people into the country to do things like that any way? Do you not think that there are "members" of ISIS here that are native germans?

 

And all of this "Danke Merkel!" talk is just pathetic Trump-level sh*t. Of course refugee politics and the integration of refugees should be discussed, but what do you want? Horst Seehofer politics?

So many people alking about "western values" that need to be protected when they don't seem to have them themselves,

[Melania 2,386]

That's bullsh*t. Do you really think these people come here and then suddenly decide "oh well, why not start a terror attack and kill some people"?

 

Germany, just like France, are western countries that are "interesting" for those terrorists. Do you really think they would just get here as refugees on accident? Do you not think they have ways to get people into the country to do things like that any way? Do you not think that there are "members" of ISIS here that are native germans?

 

And all of this "Danke Merkel!" talk is just pathetic Trump-level sh*t. Of course refugee politics and the integration of refugees should be discussed, but what do you want? Horst Seehofer politics?

So many people alking about "western values" that need to be protected when they don't seem to have them themselves,

lmao no, refugees don't suddenly decide to become terrorists,

but terrorists are coming into the country disguised as refugees, it's not that complicated.

[cashcomesquick 5,381]

That's bullsh*t. Do you really think these people come here and then suddenly decide "oh well, why not start a terror attack and kill some people"?

 

Germany, just like France, are western countries that are "interesting" for those terrorists. Do you really think they would just get here as refugees on accident? Do you not think they have ways to get people into the country to do things like that any way? Do you not think that there are "members" of ISIS here that are native germans?

 

And all of this "Danke Merkel!" talk is just pathetic Trump-level sh*t. Of course refugee politics and the integration of refugees should be discussed, but what do you want? Horst Seehofer politics?

So many people alking about "western values" that need to be protected when they don't seem to have them themselves,

 

 

 

Germany can be proud of the way they reacted to the refugee situation. Many people have been helping them voluntarily!

People tend to confuse the cause and effect in this context: Refugees left their countries because of the terror people are experiencing there. Why do people blame them? They are the victims.

 

Your last phrase fits perfectly!

[Thunder Revenant 20,943]

lmao no, refugees don't suddenly decide to become terrorists,

but terrorists are coming into the country disguised as refugees, it's not that complicated.

Say what. But your statement was that this would not have happened if we did not let them in. And that's most likely wrong. If there are parts of the ISIS that want to do terror attacks in Germany, they will find ways.

[graham4anything 2,859]

Worst terrorist of all time was in Oklahoma City, Timid McF'in Coward who killed all those kids and others.

Perhaps the world should have ostrichized  the McCoward's religion???

 

meanwhile the person who did the German killings was killed in Italy.

 

The refugees are the ones hurt the most by terrorists and anti-Democratic world wide who want to promote an agenda of hatred against the refugees

as not only were they forced to flee their country because of persecution and immediate threat of death, the anti-Democratic forces do not want the refugees to

have any place to go to.

 

and those evil anti- refugee forces either use these events to further their agenda, or are the ones directly responsible for these events. When these events

directly help Putin and the ultra-rightwing white only nationalists where women have no rights, and minorities are not welcome, it is plain to see.

 

and as John Lennon sang

"Imagine no religion

it isn't hard to do...

nothing to kill or die for...

 

and the world can live as one

 

this is my response to @  #32

[reputation 6,321]

Amir was shot dead @ a check in. Yay

[Harlem 1,942]

Amir was shot dead @ a check in. Yay

So happy he wasn't arrested, shot, dead, done 

happy days

[reputation 6,321]

So happy he wasn't arrested, shot, dead, done 

happy days

He pretended to get his documentation and shot a police officer calling them police bastards. What were they supposed to do? Lol.

[Harlem 1,942]

He pretended to get his documentation and shot a police officer calling them police bastards. What were they supposed to do? Lol.

 

O no lol i didn't mean that to sound sarcastic I was genuinely happy they killed him

[Macintosh Manhattan 6,511]

One one hand I'm glad he's dead (He more than deserved it and he won't be killing or harming anyone else) but on the other hand I wish he was still alive so that we can get some information about his terrorist cell.