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Oh you're right lol, I meant to say offensive. But let's take this to the DMs haha x

Yeah, I figured you misunderstood. Idk why you're being so defensive lately, and it's not any of my business, but I hope everything's ok!

Thank you for taking my point seriously and for your response. Lol, Rowling did a great job making fiction seem authentic; it's what every artist tries to achieve to some extent, I reckon. I am with you; I think there is a difference between lying and storytelling, and that it's not always clear what's going on. That's one of the things that I find so intruiging about her. In that sense, I guess I don't care that much about authenticity either, because I'll appreciate the multi-layered stuff she comes up with anyway. Thanks for that perspective! (Just to be clear: I meant to say this in an observing way, so I'm not criticizing her nor am I making excuses for her.)

Yeah, I get why that's frustrating and I feel the same way. There are things I don't agree with, but I'm not vocal about it as some people on here are, let alone making any excuses for Lana's behaviour. (Simply because I'm not interested in doing or discussing any of that). But did you think I was making excuses for her? Because that was not what I was doing. I was taught to not read between the lines (because "there is nothing there"), and that's how I always intend to participate in discussions on this forum

That's true of course. But in light of the quote I was responding to ("Sometimes Lana doesn't know what to say in interviews, so she plays into the idea that her songs are her, and not her creations"), how can we be so sure that she was in fact telling the truth? That was the point of my response to what @@VeniceBambi was saying. PS. Maybe you could tone it down a bit, love. It's not so much about "playing dumb", as it was more about me responding to the James Franco bit and her (in)authenticity and I thought that was interesting to discuss. No need to be rude

That, but the album itself is also (by most of us) considered to be messy because of the different collabs, different storylines, the "political" songs, and overall lack of cohesion.

I like to think that that's because LFL was a commercial success for the label, but a mess for us stans.

That's interesting. I think James Franco makes a good point, and I agree. I'm not sure if calling her "fake" would be the right word for describing her, though. I mean, would we call J.K. Rowling fake too because she wrote the Harry Potter series? I guess for Lana it's more about the "stories" she wrote/still writes (her older work probably more so than her recent stuff). And that she doesn't necessarily have to be a character in her own work.

"There's a lot of talk that I'm getting, like snippets" WBK, love!

Interesting observation. The only line that would negate that thought would be "on a slow boat bound for Catalina for no reason", so I'm not sure!

Imagine it leaked and no one cared. I-

A writer first; a singer second

Good find, but damn! Welp, guess this could be a good time to lock the thread and start a VBBOTG Pre-Release Thread!

Lanaboards right now

You know, sometimes I think God's playin' a little game with me. Looking down from heaven, laughing, tryin' to see how much I can take, because the way things go, it's like a joke.

Can someone PLEASE handout warning points for the useless SHIT talking in this thread? I don't give a fuck about her face! If y'all really want to discuss that (though I can't see any good reason why a sane person would want to discuss that topic in-depth, but apparently there is a need for it) then make a thread for it. Geez. Rant over. OT: I'm looking forward to the cover pictures and I do hope we'll get them today, but I'm not sure either. Do magazines even get released on Sundays though?

Exactly. The thread's been locked and unlocked a couple of times. You'd expect they'd moderate it better every time they unlock it, no?

Wow, that's so different! And why does it remind me of Khloe Kardashian??

Plenty of times! I always think she does it on purpose to remain ambiguous with the whole Lana/Lizzy thing.

What album, sis? Have you got your hands on NFR?

Maybe by the time summer's done she'll be able to be honest, capable of releasing NFR without letting us fall

Bless your heart I honestly thought LonelyLolitaMotel was back lmao

The Ultraviolence hair

I like you. please never change