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A-men.

Yes. 'Old Money.'

The lyrics seem like they were written in a few minutes—"things were peachy keen"?--and "always listen to your heart" can be a recipe for disaster. I would have liked it more if Lana sang the entire song. It's a nice little boost while she's going through this very successful period of her life and career, another feather in her cap, at least theoretically.

If You Lie Down With Me is one of my LDR Top Five songs. I never tire of it. It's so sexy and seductive and confident.

Thank you—I will listen again with your own ear in mind.

I've heard others here say that, but I don't hear it…can you give me the time in 'Arcadia' that you're taking about. I, on the other hand, here some poor vocals on 'Grandfather…" and a few other tracks on OC.

She may not have promoted it, but we know she recorded and then cut a handful of songs, so I don't think we can say she didn't work hard during the recording process. Why she cut them, we don't know. But to me, WFWF certainly shows hard work; it couldn't have been easy for her to face herself and her past that way, and reveal her negative relationship with her mother--it's not as if her mother's dead. It's the relative lightness of several of the tracks that I do like--'VFR,' 'Arcadia,' 'IYLDWM,' 'Sweet Carolina.'

For good reason! Thanks. Great to know.

More than any other factor, I think it's because her songs have depth. Lyrical and emotional. The same reason people flocked to Tori Amos in the 1990s and 2000s, and, in the distant past, Joni Mitchell.

I'm glad you appreciate it and enjoy even the title track; it's the 'Nikki Lane' namedropping part that I don't care for. Like 'Happiness Is a Butterfly,' I was disappointed when I heard the entire song. I also find it very peaceful in many parts. It may not be 'cohesive,' but I find it a lot more cohesive than OC--if that matters at all.

For me, BB the album seems permanently underrated. While I don't like the title track at all, I love 'Arcadia,' 'BBS,' 'VFR,' 'IYLDWM,' 'TB,' and 'WFWF,' and like 'Sweet Carolina,' 'Dealer,' and 'Beautiful' well enough. The other four leaked tracks I have liked for years, all of them, though I prefer the '50s'-style version of 'Thunder.' So that leaves 'The Trio,' which I never play, because I've known the original version for many years and I don't think it does anything for the album. Instead of basing my like or dislike on album history, facts, knowledge, opinion, or abstraction, I just like the sound of the songs I've said I like above, their message, and, in some cases, their simplicity ('Arcadia, 'VFR), especially because it seems all her albums have tortured or somewhat tortured histories. Maybe we know too much and that gets in the way of our appreciation. I know I'm way in the minority, but I vastly prefer BB the album to OC the album.

I would LOVE to hear (and have) the Rick Nowels of what was or what became the UV, which I'm not the biggest fan of in its released form.

Yeah, I found OC to be a real mishmash, very clumsy in that respect, and definitely not 'cohesive,' and 'cohesion' doesn't necessarily matter to me, but so many here say they like LDR albums to be cohesive. Also, I found some of Lana's vocals to be shrill for not good reason. The notes seemed to be notes she could sing without going sharp. I think 'Margaret' would have worked better without Jack's or Lana's spoken parts; both together sink the song for me, which is a shame, because I otherwise like it. The same with 'Taco Truck': it's so good but then just as it really gets going it turns into grunge VB, which I feel is a loss to what could have been an antisocial LDR classic. I like 'LTLI' best, as its not repetitive and as you say, their voices work well together, and the 'love to love you' 'hate to hate you' are the highlight of the album for me.

Absolutely, it's her most accessible album, though 'The Greatest' and 'Hope' are also included. It's not one of my favorites.

Sophistication--that's the word that eluded me earlier. I'd like to see a more sophisticated LDR again.

She is 14 years older than Rick. In 'the autumn years,' that's a lifetime.

63 is definitely not old--'60 its the new 40'--look at Joan Baez, still going strong at 82, Bob Dylan, 82, did some of his best work on his last album, and while Joni Mitchell has had a lot of health issues, she's at least on stage again. Blondie, led by 78 year-old Debbie Harry, just toured Britain, and that takes a lot of energy. Poor Glenn Frey was only 67 when he died, his voice still in perfect shape. DNA and lifestyle factor a lot. If LDR works with Rick again, that's fine by me, but I'd rather see her start over with a new producer. Something fresh. Nothing muddy. Nothing repetitive. I thought 'Blue Banisters' sounded good without Jack; I don't think he's anything like an absolute necessity to her present or future.

There was a while there when Lana really set the pace in her own way, musically speaking, she was a force, provocative and exciting, and I feel she's lost that. I know she's in a "doing the laundry-walking home from the mall-meeting for coffee-waitressing at Waffle House" mode, and while I'm glad she's happier--presumably--"A&W" certainly didn't suggest that if in any way autobiographical--I'd like to hear something edgier and with a little more distance from her actual life, like 'Serene Queen,' that sort of a sound, something fresh and clear. I'm not the biggest fan of 'OB'--it doesn't sound 'hip' to my ear, except for 'Taco Truck,' which fizzles too soon to become 'VB.' So I'd like to see her go less in that direction, and start fresh with a totally new producer.

Something different. Something upbeat in the vein of 'Serene Queen.' Something that doesn't sound like previous songs, the way 'TJF' and 'Fishtail' sound similar, or the way 'Sweet Carolina' and 'Hollywood Bowl' do. Though I like a lot of her deeply personal songs ('13 Beaches,' 'Yosemite'), I also like songs where she steps out of herself and/or plays roles, like on 'WTWWAWWKOD' or 'Brooklyn Baby,' or early tracks like 'Meet Me In the Pale Moonlight' or 'Live Or Die.' Whatever, she going to do what she wants to do, and that's as it should be. Maybe working at the Waffle House--a step down from The Cracker Barrel--will inspire her anew; maybe she'll see "clouds in her coffee."

Good taste. The Cracker Barrel is fun, if not exactly cuisine.

She really looks beautiful and happy.

https://www.thedriftmag.com/dream-of-antonoffication/ Just a thought.

If you believe it was, it probably was, because that's exactly or almost exactly how it was worded. It's a perfectly acceptable reaction.

Perhaps--perhaps--because it hasn't had a lot of "replay value" for some. Being only a moderate fan of it, it feels/seems to me like a failed experiment--and I realize that most members/Stans do not feel that way at all. So, like 'Watercolor Eyes,' which I was also only a moderate fan of, it does seem like it was released a considerable time ago. I recall one member said about the BB album, 'I played it once and never again,' and while that has not been my experience to OB, I can relate.

I still listen to ‘Peppers,’ ‘LTLI,’ ‘TT,’ & ‘Fishtail’ a lot, to ‘Margaret’ & ‘CN’ less frequently, ‘Sweet’ & ‘P,T’ once in a while, and the rest, never. I’m glad most seem to be enjoying it still, all or part.