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lmao literally soylent green

omg i hope someone remembers what it was...

omg yes! you can honestly infer so much from everyone's picks tbh, def beats sun sign astrology lol

lmao it was def an acquired taste for me tbh. not to mention that some matchas are literally undrinkable imo, namely the one starbucks makes. i'd suggest trying one in a good japanese restaurant, or even better, a tea ceremony. a friend of mine just went to a matcha tea ceremony workshop & now i really wanna do it: it's beautiful and basically a type of meditation and you learn to make the best matcha at home lol.

i think we found the first official lana groupie... @ (hook a girl up, sis )

I HATE YOU

Cherry (if you guys say Summer Bummer is2g... my un precedes it!!!)

she's on her way to becoming one of those "silver lake shaman" types and i'm kinda loving every second of it. LA is ruthless, lmao.

lol ikr. seriously tho, she does looove her herbs & fruits & spices... cherries, peaches, lavender, lilac, cinnamon, clover, rosemary, thyme, roses, cherry blossoms, and surely others i'm forgetting... like, what's that about, L.?

me: is. she. fucking trolling. us. me to me: ...could the herbs be a clue??

okay but this little bitch can't tease a book title in a new post & not give any clue as to which book it actually is, not after i created this fucking thread exactly today

interstellar was primarily an improv song around a riff that syd came up with (bc he heard jenner humming a similar melody - technically he didn't come up with the riff as jenner didn't even play an instrument); check out the few rare live performances of the song with syd, especially the one from 66, and you'll see what i mean. the record version is the recording of an improv so technically obv not an improv anymore, but the so-called "composition" is loose and disjointed at best. the interesting part about VB isn't any guitar solo but the superposition and overlay of several synths and distorted guitar tracks; there's literally a wall of guitars, not a single solo. which is why i maintain that if you don't find that interesting, it means that this kind of sprawling shoegazey psych is just not your thing. or do you honestly believe that all the critics that pretty much unanimously praised the song's instrumentals and included it in end of year best of 2018 lists are wrong & you're the sole enlightened one who's capable of accurately appraising the song's quality or lack thereof?

what composition? most drone-y psych is improvisational, unstructured and sometimes even atonal. like Maggot Brain (song) is the former 2, even though it's still apples and oranges bc it's primarily funk. or, going back to PF, songs like Interstellar Overdrive or Astronomy Domine. that's the kind of psych Lana is taking from for VB. well there you go. though it's surprising to me that you like Saucerful - and, i'm assuming, Set the controls for the heart of the sun - and still don't find anything interesting or compelling about the instrumentals of VB.

Tame Impala is psych pop nowadays. VB's type sound is Innerspeaker or before, not Currents or even Lonerism. so that's the distinction i was making.

what's a long psychedelic song that you like, just for reference? there's tons of different types of psychedelia & a lot of them have p dumb lyrics - bc the lyrics are used as an extension of the melody, not as a central part of the song - or no lyrics at all. maybe your kind of psychedelia is white rabbit rather than echoes, but idk and idc. but if you find the melody of VB "a snoozefest" i find it hard to believe that you love drone-y psych, but what the hell do i know. regardless, it still has NOTHING to do with may jailer or regression to a 2006 sound, which was my original point.

now that's actually a valid point. if you don't like that kind of music and were expecting catchier/poppier stuff, of course it wouldn't be your thing. personally i wish NFR were a collection of VB, Cruel World & Heroin type songs, but that's me.

@@UltraviolentJack @@Valerie personal opinion aside - you're 100% entitled to totally hate VB, who cares - the reasons you're using to explain/justify why you don't are just factually wrong, lol. VB wouldn't fit into Sirens any more than idk, Party Girl would fit on UV. just say you don't like long songs and/or psychedelia and go, lol.

i truly don't understand why anyone would mention May Jailer in relation to Venice Bitch, or even remotely compare the two. Sirens was stripped down, acoustic, almost lo-fi music that owed almost exclusively to folk. Venice Bitch is a drone-y, multilayered & full of distortion song that owes to psychedelia, shoegaze, dream pop. they are NOTHING alike. to say VB is a regression to May Jailer era is honestly laughable.

YES!! like i said, it seems literally impossible to me that Lana's never read her & you make a really great point with those car photos as they're THE iconic Didion shoot (i believe several of them were used as book covers throughout the years). as for The White Album vs Slouching, both are great so you can't go wrong with either. i don't remember from which of them this short essay "LA Notebook" is from, but to me it encapsulates the vibe of most of her books & her style of writing, and it's just so UV, Honeymoon & NFR Lana to me!

out of those 5, only Heroin is even in the same ballpark as Venice Bitch

meaning: the usual suspects / stuff she's directly or indirectly mentioned in songs or interviews AND books whose themes relate to her persona / vibe / interests and thus we might like to read. stuff she's mentioned one way or another : (surely incomplete, i'll keep editing this if people add others in the replies) Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov Leaves of Grass - Walt Whitman Paradise Lost - John Milton Helter Skelter - Vincent Bugliosi Burnt Norton - TS Eliot On The Road - Jack Kerouac Tropic of Cancer - Henry Miller Howl - Allen Ginsberg Victoria Holt - Road to Paradise Island Norman Rockwell (no specific book afaik) The Master Key System - Charles F. Haanel (@MoonAgain) The Bible (@HANGINGFROOT) Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill (@Barry) The Satanic Witch - Anton LaVey Aleister Crowley (no specific book mentioned) Black Beauty - Anna Sewell A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess Nature (essay) - Ralph Waldo Emerson (this + the 3 above by @trayertrash) Mind Breaths: Poems 1972-77 - Allen Ginsberg Matcha - Jessica Flint & Anna Kavaliunas Everyday Watercolor: Learn to Paint Watercolor in 30 Days - Jenna Rainey (this + 2 above @ ig post feb 19) Tropic of Capricorn - Henry Miller (ig post march 19) Women Who Run With the Wolves: Myths and Stories about the Wild Woman Archetype - Clarissa Pinkola Estés The Creative Fire: Myths and Stories About the Cycles of Creativity - Clarissa Pinkola Estés Untie the Strong Woman: To Know and Honor Holy Mother - Clarissa Pinkola Estés (this + 2 above @ ig post july 2019) In The Nature Of Materials: The Buildings of Frank Lloyd Wright 1887-1941 - Henry-Russell Hitchcock Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung The Evolution of Beauty: How Darwin's Forgotten Theory of Mate Choice Shapes the Animal World - Richard Prum (@kristinaj this + 2 above @ ig posts september 2019) Forbidden Gates: How Genetics, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, Synthetic Biology, Nanotechnology, and Human Enhancement Herald The Dawn Of TechnoDimensional Spiritual Warfare - Tom Horn and Nita Horn (@AnarKissed) Surfing California - Bank Wright our Lana-related recs : (add a brief description) The Girls - Emma Cline (coming of age story of a teen girl who joins a Manson-like cult in the 60s) Marlena - Julie Buntin (story of a toxic & dangerous friendship between 2 teen girls, marked by drug addiction and general recklessness) White Oleander - Janet Fitch (a very California book about a girl placed in several foster homes & her toxic, beautiful mother) Joan Didion - Slouching Towards Bethlehem (imo it's impossible Lana hasn't read this book; a series of seminal essays about 60s California by prob the most iconic Cali writer) Junky - William Burroughs (THE book about heroin addiction) Inherent Vice - Thomas Pynchon (psychedelic noir set in 60s California about a stoner P.I. looking for a lost girl; also: watch the movie!!!) The Two Mrs. Greenvilles - Dominick Dunne (@kitschesque, "BTD era glamour") Bonjour Tristesse - Françoise Sagan (@RainOverLondon, "teenage girl named cécile who lives a lavish and languorous lifestyle, spending the summer at her family’s french riviera villa with her father, raymond, and his mistress, elsa; call me by your name meets gossip girl") Lithium For Medea - Kate Braverman (a story of addiction, of complicated mother/daughter relationships & toxic romances set in Venice, LA)

not favorite songs, but songs you feel define you either due to lyrics / melody / overall mood. i'll start: Get Drunk Motel 6 Catch & Release Daytona Meth Us Against The World (sorry, i was bored) edit: you can explain why, or not.

Your Girl

just finished this & omfg i can't stop thinking abt it! it's a pretty dark novel about a girl who embarks in a poly s&m relationship with a m/f couple with a baby (they're all in their early to mid 20s) and she gets totally obsessed with the guy, who's a wannabe tattoo artist and also a satanist (in the church of satan sense, not in the sacrificing small children & drinking the blood of virgins one). she story is set in the early 2000s and she lives in a trailer park with her widowed mother; she has a drinking & pill addiction and even though it's never specifically mentioned, p sure she has bpd. the prose is STUNNING and it's been 3 days and i'm still reeling.

more overall vibe than specific movies : Born to Die - Scarface, Tequila Sunrise, Casino (live fast/die young, money drugs glitz & glamour) Ultraviolence - Candy, Woodshock, Drugstore Cowboy (dark & druggy, basically) Honeymoon - Buffalo 66, Crazy/Beautiful, Savages (melancholic but also sensual & ott melodramatic; basically a mix of all 3 movies rather than each separately, bc H is such a disparate album mood-wise) Lust for Life - Almost Famous, The Doors, Across The Universe (i def associate LFL with epic movies abt 70s musicians)