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I've always speculated that maybe they found an early fan who had ripped a bunch of stuff from her MySpace, like maybe someone familiar with the Williamsburg music scene. I can't be bothered to relisten to his podcasts right now, but if I recall correctly, I thought Sean from Nefarious Bovine Radio had said something about getting the old tracks of hers he had off her MySpace. Supposedly he played everything he had, but maybe the LDR.FM mods found someone else who ripped more shit back in the day.

Ah, this fancy schmancy term is such a throwback to my college days as an English major... Quick, let me go rename this thread "Is Beyoncé just a big exercise in Lana Del Rey intertextuality?"

Hmm... On TPB, a commenter wrote this on the torrent for the FLAC rip of NKF: "THIS IS MPEG AUDIO MIXED WITH A HIGH FREQ. SIGNAL TO FOOL DETECTORS LIKE AUCDTECT. NON SENSE." What do we make of this?

I think we may be making too much of this statement especially given her apparent confusion about the source of leaks like "Black Beauty". This might have been a number she just pulled out of her ass that interviewers have repeated in several interviews. And didn't Lana previously say she was hacked in 2011? Someone help me out here. (I also seem to remember comments back on SIN cryptically alluding to feeling so sorry for what happened to her and saying that her camp needed to get their shit together and being told later that those comments referred to rumors that she'd been hacked. Unfortunately the original SIN thread is down because it was idle too long. Do any of the other old timers remember this?) So I don't think we're ever going to be able to use this to determine whether everything has leaked. Nevertheless I think this is a useful exercise. There are a number of songs we can definitively say did not leak due to hacking because the source of the leak was revealed at the time. There's also some number of songs we can say most likely did not leak due to hacking because a possible source of the leak was discovered later. With the rest it's harder to tell. I'd assume some of the leaks with studio production were obtaining by hacking, but I'd be surprised if a decent number of them didn't leak in ways similar to those documented here except we never learned the source. I think the acapellas and rougher tracks were much more likely to have been hacked, though it's quite possible some rough demos could have been leaked by other people involved in their creation. At any rate, some corrections/additions: KOL - On her YouTube account, on "Gossip Girl", producers' web site (though can't be sure if pre-hack) DMD (demo) - On her YouTube account, download available on several blogs since 2010 MH "HQ" - An LDR.FM mod claimed it came from her MySpace and implied other early stuff from her MySpace would surface in higher quality, but LDR.FM shut down before that happened. I believe "Fordham Road" probably came from her MySpace too. We know from screenshots it was on there and it's in the same bit rate as MH if I recall correctly. PS(GW) - Three Six Zero productions Soundcloud. A couple other songs may have surfaced here too. When I stumbled on PS (GW) I noticed a couple alreadly leaked tracks on there, the NA Nexus demo and one of the versions of DICWB if I recall. YCBTB - On YouTube since Sept. 25, 2011 "White Pontiac Heaven" was on myspace.com/lanarey. Don't understand why you're ruling out hacking with the NKF demos. I think it would be useful to note tracks that were on that 18-track sampler or whatever that that one early Guardian review mentioned. It's not impossible someone got a hold of that. I also think it would be useful to note songs Lana had up on her Soundcloud at one point. Later edit: Another random thought: What if the 211 number is specific, but not specific to what was hacked? Like, maybe she's generalizing that "all" her songs were hacked, but maybe the 211 figure is a real number of songs she's kept track of? If so, I'd imagine this would exclude demos and alternate versions.

It should be obligatory to quote this line when asking Lana to take your picture with her in the front row.

And I like my candy and your Whitman (I still think it's most likely "women".)

@@Monicker sent me a link to this fantastic episode of "Popcast", a podcast produced by The New York Times' ArtsBeat culture blog. A discussion between Jon Pareles, the author of that great NYT review, and Ben Ratliff, the skeptical yet open-minded host, this is the most intelligent conversation I've heard about LDR in the media ever. Truly a must listen. Apart from being just a great podcast, another reason @@Monicker sent it to me is because I'd told him he'd probably think I was crazy, but the guitar intro of "Cruel World" reminds me in small ways of the intros to several different Beach Boys songs. He did think think I was crazy at first, so we were both incredibly amused when Jon Pareles backed me up! Anyway, @@Monicker says it better than I can so I'll let him introduce it: You can go to the episode page, download the MP3, subscribe on iTunes, or click the player below: http://podcasts.nytimes.com/podcasts/2014/06/27/arts/music/27popcast_pod/27popcast-rev.mp3 Edit: If anyone wants to transcribe this podcast for quoting convenience I'd be more than happy to add it here.

Ha, I knew it. In my draft of my track-by-track UV review I'm working on I'd written this: "Many reviewers have interpreted this as being sarcastic like MPG & FMWUTTT, as a satire of Brooklyn hipsters... I'm not so sure. It seems a little too on the nose. I think she takes herself a little too seriously as an artist and is a little too much of a beatnik wannabe for this to be satire. I think she means it earnestly. And I think she's a little too thin-skinned for that kind of humorous self-deprecation. Besides, it's not the first time she's declared herself a 'Brooklyn baby'." Yeah, there's an entire thread discussing this question because her statements pertaining to this have been so all over the map. Despite that, I think there's little reason to doubt she probably did write a song called "China Palace" when she was very young. Probably next to some lame department store and a Thai food place she wasn't in the mood for.

His Wikipedia page says he was part of a band called The District which split the bill with Lizzy at her first Cross-Pollination show at Pianos on October 17, 2006. These shows consisted of a set by each artist followed by a set performed together. So they jammed together! I'm not sure whether that footage was taken from some longer video, but based on her hair and attire it's from the night of her October 22, 2009 Canal Room performance (photos and videos in link).

You forgot the next line, "He's got a massive phallus"

Actually, it was May 5, 2011. But thanks for playing.

The other thing I forgot to mention in my last post in this thread about @@Lanakai's theory is that in interviews Lana often used the word "guru" to describe this cult leader. "Guru" often has an Eastern religion connotation and Father Yod/Jim Baker's Wikipedia page says he "studied philosophy, religion, and esoteric spiritual teachings, even becoming a Vedantic monk for a time. He later became a follower of Yogi Bhajan, a Sikh spiritual leader and teacher of Kundalini Yoga."

Even if you don't speak German there's no translation necessary for that title. I'd like to have a beer with Lana. Or maybe I'd just like to have a beer period. What kind of beer do you think Lana used to like? I bet she was probably into the brewmasters of every genre. Ha, the yearbook photo. 1. "Sunflower" Beach Boys, 1970

^ The first verse of "Brooklyn Baby" would fit your theory too: They say I'm too young to love you I don't know what I need They think I don't understand The freedom land of the 70's As in, she's too young to sing about and identify with a cult prevalent in the '60s and '70s that was about peace, love, sex, drugs, and rock & roll. As I was reading this, the thing I was most curious about was when this documentary came out, which you said at the end was 2012, which you correctly noted would fit perfectly. Whether or not this was part of her inspiration, we have found a lot of cases where she seems to have been inspired by movies and things like that. At the same time we've so far been unable to match certain details in her songs with real life, like the elusive K. I've been thinking more and more lately that when she says all her songs are autobiographical, they're autobiographical of herself watching TV. Or perhaps Netflix in this instance. It reminds me of this quote from her KulturSPIEGEL interview: I think it's also notable there are references to TV watching in several of her songs, a pleasure she took much enjoyment from, but was denied her for a long time.

You guys are getting all worked up about an off the cuff statement to a likely hypothetical question just after she put an album out? This is Lana we're talking about here. Have we still not learned anything? Geez, you guys are so excitable. BTW, "record" doesn't necessarily mean "album". You know the Grammy award for Record of the Year? It's for the best recording of a song. Ha, keep dreaming. Oh, and no @ symbol? Coward.

I find it amusing that you say "Born to Die" is the only song about death in this paragraph and then discuss "Dark Paradise" (which is even more about death) in the next. Let's review, shall we? Born to Die - Duh, obvious. Also, she dies in the video. Blue Jeans - Not explicit, but suggestive of a dead or incarcerated lover ("They took you away, stole you out of my life"). She drowns in the video. Video Games - "Only worth living if somebody is loving you". National Anthem - "Overdosing, dying". A$AP Rocky as JFK is assassinated in the video. Dark Paradise - The whole song is about her dead lover and wishing to be reunited with him through death. Radio - "I've been raised from the dead", "I swore I'd chase them 'til I was dead". Carmen - "I'm dyin', I'm dyin'", French spoken part translates as "You could not live without me, I will die without you, And I will kill for you". Million Dollar Man - Possible death reference in "Holding me tight in our final hour". Summertime Sadness - "I know if I go I'll die happy tonight". Video is about suicide. This Is What Makes Us Girls - "Teachers said we'd never make it out alive", "something that we'd die for". Without You - "Your love is deadly". And that's just BTD. I could go on all day with her other albums and unreleased material.

When the Kill Kill EP was up on the 5 Points Records site (you can still access the original mp3 files on archive.org here), the track fields in the metadata numbered them according to their placement on AKA (i.e. "Kill Kill" says "1/13", "Yayo" says "13/13", and "Gramma" says "4/14") rather than their placement on the EP. The album fields in the metadata say "Nevada (Master Ref 1)". It is hypothesized that "Nevada" was a working title before they decided to call it Lana Del Ray. (I personally think this would have been a better title. Plus it would've avoided the confusion about whether "AKA Lizzy Grant" was actually part of the title or not.) Before this, she considered titling it "God Bless America" after the song by the famous singer Kate Smith, whose home was owned by the Grant family which they somewhat controversially tried to sell at an asking price five times what they paid for it just ten years prior and for a profit of over half a million dollars despite a cash-strapped non-profit's wishes to buy it in order to create a Kate Smith museum on the site.

Is that Barrie talking at the beginning?

No problem! I think you're giving her way too much credit.

Agree with this. Or just trying to appear up on pop culture to the kiddies following him. Or maybe I'm just projecting. I'm pretty sure fans tweeted her about it. https://twitter.com/LanaDelRey/status/35538290404900864 She should be more worried about someone linking Frances Bean to "Hollywood's Dead" than this.

The point of a discussion forum is discussion. If you don't like hearing about a subject, don't read posts about it. Or perhaps try to shift the conversation by engaging people on another topic.

I'm just disappointed that they didn't last long enough to fulfill Barrie's manager's prediction that she would be his "future ex-wife".

Reminds me of her past comments that she just wants things to be easy and people to like her and be nice to her, she doesn't care why. No, Lana, your own words and images-- your lyrics, videos, photoshoots, past interviews, and the answers you gave The Guardian-- give this impression, intentionally or not. Have you listened to any of your music? Lana Del Rey, casual Lana fan. Barrie

IT AIN'T JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT