Israel's genocide of Palestinians and war on the Middle East

[Barry 5,932]

They are going to fuck everything up for everyone.

In a year they've killed 1 out of every 45 people in Gaza, thats crazy numbers pretty much everyone just an average person living there and they've completely destroyed half the homes, schools, hospitals and all the other buldings in the area.

Must be by far the most damage ever done to people and an area in history in such a short time and nobodies doing anything to stop it.

Makes sense how the USA were always invading and destabalising big countries there like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan and others as they don't want those places progressing and reaching a level to where they could challenge Israel, they've always got to be held back and put down unless the USA can turn them into other Morocco, Egypt and Saudi Arabias.

[Barry 5,932]

Russia or China should warn the USA that unless Israel backs out of Palestine they will bomb every military base in Israel until theres none left then see what happens.

Then the USA will be in a position where they need to make a decision, either full scale WW3 or Israel get a grip of themselves as theres no actual reason for them to be doing what they're doing anyway. It can't be justified as they are not protecting themselves and they aren't gaining anything. They're just desperate to wipe out Palestinians and to take the rest of the land but it will never be allowed to happen either, so it's just pointless destruction.

 

Palestine also need to be given huge parts of their land back, as it's unsustainable for 2million+ people to live in such small areas of land especially when they aren't rich and can't build huge cities etc

[Embach 42,295]

I hate that wars and genocide exist in the 21st century, in 2024 

[HellaGood 63]

How many of the people here have watched "We Will Dance Again" on Paramount Plus? It's a doc about the Nova Festival massacre. 

 

I think anyone who wants to talk big about the conflict has a duty to watch it. Otherwise you're just ill informed. 

 

[baddisease 17,924]

51 minutes ago, HellaGood said:

How many of the people here have watched "We Will Dance Again" on Paramount Plus? It's a doc about the Nova Festival massacre. 

 

I think anyone who wants to talk big about the conflict has a duty to watch it. Otherwise you're just ill informed. 

 

 

How is it ill-informed not to watch a documentary that is obviously biased against Palestinians?

[Smoqueed 163]

There are literally no red lines for Israel. None.

 

Read the UN’s Report of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem and Israel; and see for yourselves!

 

Any single one of these atrocities would be wholly condemned if committed by any other country.
 

This will be a key document for the ICJ Genocide case against Israel. 

 

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/262/79/pdf/n2426279.pdf

 

Sending peace and love. 

[HellaGood 63]

On 10/22/2024 at 9:24 AM, baddisease said:

 

How is it ill-informed not to watch a documentary that is obviously biased against Palestinians?

Not sure how it's biased against them.  Have you watched it? Or are you just saying that as a knee jerk reaction because it's sympathetic to Israeli young adults? 

 

It doesn't hurt to be well informed and see perspectives from people that actually lived thru the tragedy. Give it a watch before you make presumptions. 

 

 

[barttttender 4,951]

53 minutes ago, HellaGood said:

Not sure how it's biased against them.  Have you watched it? Or are you just saying that as a knee jerk reaction because it's sympathetic to Israeli young adults? 

 

It doesn't hurt to be well informed and see perspectives from people that actually lived thru the tragedy. Give it a watch before you make presumptions. 

 

 

 

Late to the convo and pardon me if I don't know the full story. But I would be very cautious about watching any  content sympathetic to Israel.

 

They spend millions to push their agenda and make people see things from their perspective and sympathise with them. They produce films, exhibitions and even immersive experiences to draw folks into their narrative and see things from their victims' POV.
 

Some of the families of hostages in Palestine have started to refuse partaking in the pageantry. Because for them, it's about genuine grief and not trotting themselves out as a tool of justification of the "war on Gaza," aka genocide. The propaganda machine is incessant and perpetually skewed towards "this is another Holocaust, we've been through this before, now we're going through it again". Grief has become their main tool for justifying a genocide. 
 

i'm not saying Israelis haven't been through a lot. But even the birds on trees know by now that October 7 is a drop in the ocean compared to what they've been doing to Palestinians, and now Lebanese.

 

They've even added October 7 to their Holocaust museums as a way or sustaining the victim narrative, which is the only real PR strategy / tool they have at this point, given that they've turned the entire planet against them in one year. 
 

More on that here:

 

 

[barttttender 4,951]

On 10/22/2024 at 6:56 PM, Barry said:

Russia or China should warn the USA that unless Israel backs out of Palestine they will bomb every military base in Israel until theres none left then see what happens.

Then the USA will be in a position where they need to make a decision, either full scale WW3 or Israel get a grip of themselves as theres no actual reason for them to be doing what they're doing anyway. It can't be justified as they are not protecting themselves and they aren't gaining anything. They're just desperate to wipe out Palestinians and to take the rest of the land but it will never be allowed to happen either, so it's just pointless destruction.

 

Palestine also need to be given huge parts of their land back, as it's unsustainable for 2million+ people to live in such small areas of land especially when they aren't rich and can't build huge cities etc

 

I see your perspective. But in reality - it's very much happening right now. It's been a year and there could be many more. Perhaps not all at once but bit by bit.

 

Backed by US, Uk, etc, they could very well exterminate the natives, occupy the land, and see their luxury condo and other architectural projects, which are already in development, take flight.

 

Decades from now, people could be looking at these events in the same blaze way they look at Native Americans' graves. "Oh, well, that's fucked up, poor them." Build memorials and shed a few tears or donate to organizations.

 

Sadly, history is full of dead peoples and languages. The main difference now is: we have terabytes and terabytes of digital documentation of it, captured in real time, which we didn't have during, for example, the US invasion o Iraq, or the apartheid in South Africa.  Will it change anything? Remains to be seen. It's almost like a litmus test for the power of live streaming. 
 

[baddisease 17,924]

3 hours ago, HellaGood said:

Not sure how it's biased against them.  Have you watched it? Or are you just saying that as a knee jerk reaction because it's sympathetic to Israeli young adults? 

 

It doesn't hurt to be well informed and see perspectives from people that actually lived thru the tragedy. Give it a watch before you make presumptions. 

 

 

 

It comes off as ignoring that the genocide of Palestinians has been a decades long travesty. Have you ever heard perspectives from Palestinians? Because I have. 

[barttttender 4,951]

1 hour ago, baddisease said:

 

It comes off as ignoring that the genocide of Palestinians has been a decades long travesty. Have you ever heard perspectives from Palestinians? Because I have. 

 

The thing is, Palestinians (and the Lebanese) are broke af. They don't have money to publicize their plight, let alone produce fancy documentaries, exhibitions or Gal Gadot hosted private screenings. But let's say they did. Imagine a documentary about the 40,000 people massacred in Palestine over one year, and tens of thousands more displaced. And that's just this year. Nakhba? Yeah, I'd love to see a Spiberg-produced documentary of that. I assure you it would be far more distressing than any Nova documentary.

 

400 Israelis died during the Nova massacre, and we'll never hear the end of it. This month, 2,500 (and counting) Lebanese men, women and children died at the hands of Israel. That's 5 times as much.

 

Frankly, how people are not noticing the asymmetrical grief going on here is beyond me. Are we supposed to mourn the 400 Israelis because they were white? Because they were Jewish? Or because they had more money? It's ludicrous. 

 

Will choose a Palestine doc any day - thank you very much.

[shadesofblue 15,440]

Ever since October 7th for a couple months, I got non stop pro Israel ads especially on places like YouTube. it was crazy how much it was being pushed and still is. 

took this pic of one because I was getting them on almost every video or would be in my recommended videos. I have YouTube premium now so i don’t see any of it anymore but it was pretty shocking tbh

 

[barttttender 4,951]

14 minutes ago, shadesofblue said:

Ever since October 7th for a couple months, I got non stop pro Israel ads especially on places like YouTube. it was crazy how much it was being pushed and still is. 

took this pic of one of them bc I was getting them on almost every video or recommended videos. I have YouTube premium now so i don’t see any of it anymore but it was pretty shocking tbh

 

 

What a joke. Like, seriously, laughable.

 

But it just proves my point about there being an endless pool of money to fuel this propaganda. Don't buy into it.

 

[Semafori 1,512]

why are my taxes going to isreal again???

[baddisease 17,924]

2 hours ago, Semafori said:

why are my taxes going to isreal again???

 

It's the only (herrenvolk) democracy in the Middle East*! Remember!?

 

 

 

(*what they don't say is that there are other democracies in the Middle East, America just ignores them bc they don't simp for American interests.)

[Barry 5,932]

2 hours ago, Semafori said:

why are my taxes going to isreal again???

I think the real reason is the USA just need land in that area to base themselves. So Israel was created because they probably don't trust all the other areas, then to maintain Israel they need to destabalise all the other countries who oppose them so they never get strong enough to do anything to them, so they just let Israel do what they want as they can't stop them, because they need access to there. No matter what Israel does the USA can't really do anything about it even though they probably don't really like what they're doing.

 

[barttttender 4,951]

On 10/25/2024 at 4:40 AM, Barry said:

I think the real reason is the USA just need land in that area to base themselves. So Israel was created because they probably don't trust all the other areas, then to maintain Israel they need to destabalise all the other countries who oppose them so they never get strong enough to do anything to them, so they just let Israel do what they want as they can't stop them, because they need access to there. No matter what Israel does the USA can't really do anything about it even though they probably don't really like what they're doing.

 

 

Dude, the US probably orchestrated the whole thing. Let's get real. 

[Semafori 1,512]

On 10/24/2024 at 8:35 PM, baddisease said:

 

It's the only (herrenvolk) democracy in the Middle East*! Remember!?

 

 

 

(*what they don't say is that there are other democracies in the Middle East, America just ignores them bc they don't simp for American interests.)

why can't we like opt out of this shit, i dont want funding a terrorist state  on my conscience or heritage

[baddisease 17,924]

3 minutes ago, Semafori said:

why can't we like opt out of this shit, i dont want funding a terrorist state  on my conscience or heritage

 

this is why I really want America to go the Ranked Choice Voting route. If the progressive parties (like Greens, PSL, Forward, Peace and Freedom, etc.) won, there wouldn't be tax dollars going to Israel. Hell, the Peace and Freedom Party wants to cut the Pentagon budget by 90%.

[Barry 5,932]

1 minute ago, Semafori said:

why can't we like opt out of this shit, i dont want funding a terrorist state  on my conscience or heritage

There really need to be a revolution as politics has failed and people don't really have any choice when voting.

The Governments in most countries are actual dictators in disguise, none of them actually do what people would vote for, so it's like everyone is conned into keeping them in charge and then they just do what keeps them in a job and earns them money and makes them rich while pretending they are the good guy and their opposition is the bad guy.

For me being a politician should be a minimum wage job, should be like a service job for the people and if people like you and keep voting you then you get a raise etc people should take on the jobs out of the purpose of wanting to help people and improve stuff and be the kind of characters who aren't looking to get rich or whatever.