californianfreak

I was not aware that she attended church every week - as far as I know, it's only been a handful of times? I will look into it more. However, even if she is attending for a religious service, it is still not necessarily something we should be jumping to conclusions over. I must have misunderstood the messages, but that is the impression I was getting. But I think it is important to remember, that even if she doesn't know (which I think is likely), then that does not make her a bad person. It makes her naive, and hopefully she can learn from this. Also, as @@Clampigirl said, she may not have thought to look if her friends are going, because why would she think her friends may be attending a controversial church? But there does seem to be a lot of unnecessary hate directed towards Lana lately, which I personally don't feel is justified. It's creating a very negative atmosphere on the forum and lots of members unstanning is sad to see. Sure, we can all unstan if we want to and change our minds, but I think the things we are getting upset about just need to be put into perspective because I think they are getting blown way out of proportion. So if she is very vulnerable, and she is being preyed upon by this church - is she the victim here? Maybe we should be a little more understanding? Yes she is rich and famous, but we have no idea what is going on inside her mind. She may be going through hell. Again, this is still not an excuse for going to these churches, but it can put things back in proportion. Her friends may not be aware of the controversy surrounding those churches either. I can see your point, but I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one! I really think if she didn't want to interact with her fans, she wouldn't. And I don't have any solid 'evidence' for this, but Lana does not strike me as the type who is fussed about money, so I don't think she would change her behaviour to get more money. And I don't think she would do it for a positive reputation, she's always been a bit of a controversial character (feminism bores me, singing about depression etc), so I don't think she is too bothered about what other people think of her. Therefore I don't think she would try and change her behaviour to create a good reputation. I know you may not be necessarily saying this about me, but I just want to make it clear - it's not that I don't want to believe it, it's that I am trying not to blow things out of proportion or judge until I know the full circumstances. And for the record, I am not religious so I am not defending her because of my own religious beliefs. I see your point, and it was a bad decision on her part. But a bad decision does not make her a bad person - again, it's not an excuse for her, but she may not have realised the lack of LGBTQ representation she had in her video. There have been other examples where it could be argued she has included LGBTQ representation in her videos - for example, Summertime Sadness and MTWBT. There have also been other examples in her life which can imply she is pro-LGBT, for example the gay pride parade tweet, the lyrics of For You, not changing the pronouns in Doin' Time, and the photo of her kissing Chuck (of course, her kissing Chuck does not mean she is not anti-LGBTQ, but if she was opposed to it, she may be less likely to do the photoshoot). I understand this is a sensitive topic, and you are upset understandably. But I think it is important to remember naivety is not necessarily negative. Maybe she has googled these topics? Maybe at the moment she assumed these churches would be fine as her friends go there, which I don't think is unreasonable (still doesn't make it right). And I don't see how bashing her like this is going to help anything - it's likely going to lead to worse feelings which is not going to help anyone. I. LOVE. YOU.

I agree with all these points made, just adding in my two cents. I can understand why some of you are upset at Lana attending these churches, but I do think as we don't know exactly why she is attending, we can't jump to conclusions. Lana may not know the anti-LGBTQ views of the churches she attends (which is no excuse as she should look into it more) but if this is the case, it would show Lana is unlikely to be homophobic. It also makes sense to me that she is attending another event in these churches, which may not necessarily be religious (again, she should do some research into what venue she is attending and how this may affect her fanbase). She could be lost in life at the moment, and is simply following her friends to be part of a group - this is still naive and no excuse, but again it shows that she is not necessarily homophobic and may be unaware of the anti-LBGTQ views of these churches. If Lana was truly homophobic, I don't think she would spend so much time meeting fans during concerts and outside concerts (I am not trying to go down the route or 'she associates with LGBTQ groups so therefore she can't be homophobic', instead I am just saying I don't think she would put as much effort in to meet fans if she was homophobic, and I don't think she would have dedicated 'Love' to her fans, knowing we are largely LGBTQ, either). The main point I am trying to make here, is that loads of things could be going on, which does not mean Lana is homophobic. Yeah, it could definitely mean she is naive, but not homophobic.

THIS 1. Just because she is famous, that does not mean she should wear make up or 'make an effort'. Lana is a human like everyone else. 2. Not wearing make up is perfectly fine, and just because her friends are wearing make up, it doesn't mean Lana should wear make up 3. Not wearing make up does not mean something is wrong with her - maybe, just maybe, she feels comfortable enough in her own skin to not feel the need to wear make up? Please note, this is NOT a criticism of people who do wear make up. 4. I do not see how the position of her ears matter, and I hate to be rude but honestly that post really upset me - she finally seems content, but now her frickin EARS aren't good enough??? Honestly, I could go on and on. But thank you guys so much for these posts.

MARINA IS RETURNING TO THE UK IN AUTUMN https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx_6xCAhwIx/ I AM SO HYPED, I NEED TO CALM MYSELF DOWN IN CASE I DON'T EVEN GET TICKETS

Mow That Lawn - Charli XCX Reminds me of the time I played it to my mum and she was horrified but it's one of my fave Charli songs, it makes me feel like a badass Next letter - B

Oh god I hope she's okay... I guess it just says run by Marina HQ because she said she was taking a break from social media, but I wonder why she is no longer following anyone. Maybe she is trying to distance herself from social media, which isn't necessarily a negative thing?

10! Stream We Appreciate Power!

Driving in Cars with Boys vs Children of the Bad Revolution

OMG.... What if this is about when Lanz played a song for Moby on his keyboard Also if my calculations are right, in 2006 Lanz would have been 20/21 and Moby would have been 40ish I gots a taste for men who are older, it's always been so it's no surprise

I friggin love this woman ALSO can you IMAGINE if any of her songs are about Moby asdfghjkl that would ruin them completely

I don't think Lana and Marina have fallen out - Lanz already posted about Marina's lead single, and she may have forgotten to post about the album release, or felt like she was annoying her followers if she was only posting about other people's work. I think there are many other explanations rather than something fishy is going on with their friendship - the other day, an interview with Marina came out saying that Lana helped her through a really tough time, which to me shows they are still strong friends (okay something could have happened since the interview, but I just don't see it. They both seem to have a lot of respect for each other, and don't feel the need to 'prove' their friendship by posting about each other's projects, although of course it is sweet to do that).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiht451O8fM

Be My Daddy vs Go Go Dancer

Is anyone going to see Kim in London??

I am sure it is not exactly the same situation, but the point in showing my own personal experiences with not wearing make-up was just to show that it doesn't indicate a cry for help or mental health issues - it doesn't need to be analysed, it probably doesn't mean anything. And the media can put a lot of pressure on women to look a certain way, which may or may not have caused Lana to feel the need to wear make-up. But this album cycle she seems overall more comfortable with herself (yes, she still seems to be working through some things as seen in HIADT, but overall imo she seems more comfortable), so she may not feel the need to wear make up for that reason too, and I am loving to see that.

THIS Thank you so much for saying this, my thoughts exactly!! I used to wear make up daily, but now I just cba anymore - not because of any mental health condition or cry for help. It's because I just don't feel the need anymore - although I still have issues, I am just more comfortable in my own skin and don't feel like I need to improve my appearance for anyone. And that's a positive thing - why should women feel the need to change how they look for others? Honestly, not wearing make-up regularly is not a big deal and likely does not mean something deep is going on! I am not trying to roast anyone, I love you guys, but pllleeeeaaaasseee just keep that in mind!

I'm very proud of my Greek heritage, particularly because I haven't talked about it much before ... ... on other albums She had me for a minute there thinking our girl had memory problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKX9Zw8lYc WE STAN

What was really cute from last night was that Marina slightly changed the lyrics to Happy: I hadn't found the one for me I wonder if she changed it because now she is in a loving, stable relationship with Jack, so now she feels like she has found the one? My heart EXPLODED when she did that

Listening to TOTL and honestly it is still THAT mixtape so pumped for the new album!

Gold is incredible, GOD TIER, like every song on FROOT

I'll agree FROOT merch was a lot better, but I actually still love some of the L+F merch - I'll be getting the grey long sleeve top and wristband and maybe more if the exam I'll be taking 5 hours beforehand goes disastrously wrong Also can anyone see what that thing for £5 is to the right of the tour date t shirts??

People who pre-ordered L+F Ultimate bundle - did you guys get a FEAR download link? I have only received LOVE so far!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0004lxm New Marina interview with BBC Radio 2 (@1.11.20) - she also performs Orange Trees and Only Want You (Rita Ora Cover)