Divisive Princess

I'm sure it's been said already, but i just woke up and have downloaded the album on iTunes and its gapless.

Can someone open a Born to Die (Post-release Thread imaginarily set in 2012 and stuck in that year forever) so we can stop talking about the past album on here please.

Most of us became fans during and because of BTD. I mean, without it we won't be here. Sometimes on the other hand I think Lana stans are way too attached to this album. And quite frankly, while this album is still very enjoyable (maybe not from start from finish), it was always more style than substance.

Mmm but why are these people praising Born to Die and Ultraviolence appearing out of nowhere on Honeymoon's release eve?

This is not a hate post against you or your opinion at all, and I am very satisfied with HM as an album, but I also don't get people who throw crap at BTD all the time and say that just because it's her first official album somehow it's also her worst.
 
I don't get why would someone NOT want her to write about honoring long lost love and a glamorous lifestyle, when that world is so captivating, it just draws you in.
I don't get why would someone NOT want more videos on the level of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bag1gUxuU0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxDdEPED0h8
 
I don't get why would someone not want her to do photoshoots this amazing again, who, why would you not want her to look this good again?

 
Born To Die was not only an album, it was an experience. What she does now does not compare. But I also understand that it is not supposed to, as making BTD was her main goal in life.
Now, HM is a wonderful album and I sincerely love all songs. But I can't help but feel that BTD is on a whole other level.

I think you need to get older and see how priorities change in life. Being in your teens and early twenties, so many things are different than in the years to come. Perceptions change, goals change, and how people look at you changes. You learn that beauty is not for forever. 
 
You also realise that all you wanted from love, the men you craved for are not good for you. 
I was at that point in my life after I hit my late 20's.
Also something like "death" that didn't exist in your daily vocabulary becomes very real when you see a parent or an old friend die. And when you see yourself getting older.
 
And I think that may be the breaking point between many Lana fans who are extremly young and herself. She is 30. She sees life different than somebody half her age. From now on, that won't change.

YES. Finally someone gets it! Born To Die was amazing and people have to stop acting like it was shit. Its an amazing album. Its on a whole other level. Yes it had beats and yes it was pop. I don't know why people act like something is wrong with liking this album. its my favorite and always will be 

You need help.

Literally too good. My favorite part is the vinyl. Everything about this is amazing. Be less good

Here's where I'm at rn: 
 
AKA>>>>>>>>> UV = HM > BTD > P
 
So... I get that AKA isn't necessarily her best album, but I hold every song so dear and I don't think anything could ever top it for me personally. As far as UV goes, I've been a fan of Lana since a little before BTD, but I had yet to experience an album like that and feel the way I did for it. I can't even explain it. But HM is fighting for it's spot. The songs are so diverse and emotional and just.. sighhhh. BTD is another thing all together; nothing will ever be more iconic, and I love every single song on it. Don't even get me started on it, tbh. And I love Paradise, too. I like every song (except for Blue Velvet. Sorry bout it) and even though it's not my fave, I still consider it a true gem. I just love everything she does so much 

I want the Ride hate to stop right this second.

Here's where I'm at rn: 
 
AKA>>>>>>>>> UV = HM > BTD > P
 
So... I get that AKA isn't necessarily her best album, but I hold every song so dear and I don't think anything could ever top it for me personally. As far as UV goes, I've been a fan of Lana since a little before BTD, but I had yet to experience an album like that and feel the way I did for it. I can't even explain it. But HM is fighting for it's spot. The songs are so diverse and emotional and just.. sighhhh. BTD is another thing all together; nothing will ever be more iconic, and I love every single song on it. Don't even get me started on it, tbh. And I love Paradise, too. I like every song (except for Blue Velvet. Sorry bout it) and even though it's not my fave, I still consider it a true gem. I just love everything she does so much 

What's his social media? I wanna stalk

I want the Ride hate to stop right this second.

Same.... I'm also mixed and I just can't wrap my head around some of it. I can't fathom how a black person can hear a word such as 'ratchet' or 'ghetto' and actually get offended by it. Same goes for Lana wearing the headdress in Ride and all the controversy surrounding that (not even gonna go there tho). There's a difference between someone getting a henna tattoo or whatever tf people find racist these days and someone doing something in genuine poor taste.

Here's where I'm at rn: 
 
AKA>>>>>>>>> UV = HM > BTD > P
 
So... I get that AKA isn't necessarily her best album, but I hold every song so dear and I don't think anything could ever top it for me personally. As far as UV goes, I've been a fan of Lana since a little before BTD, but I had yet to experience an album like that and feel the way I did for it. I can't even explain it. But HM is fighting for it's spot. The songs are so diverse and emotional and just.. sighhhh. BTD is another thing all together; nothing will ever be more iconic, and I love every single song on it. Don't even get me started on it, tbh. And I love Paradise, too. I like every song (except for Blue Velvet. Sorry bout it) and even though it's not my fave, I still consider it a true gem. I just love everything she does so much 

YOURE SO RIGHT! all it does is divide us even more. unless its racist like wearing ponchos and mustaches to represent mexicans. like the whole chola deal with lana was complete shit! honestly culture appropriation only is when its offensive, other than that people need to stop being little bitches and go on with their damn lives

I feel like Honeymoon is very much Paradise 2.0 in structure and tone, i can see why she compared the two of them when discussing the new album. Both albums offer a mixed bag of styles within a cohesive concept, whereas i feel BTD and Ultraviolence are less about variety and more about an extended idea over most of the album, they don't feel like they're broken into parts, but Paradise and Honeymoon feel like they have chapters. That's not a negative or a positive, just an observation.
 
Time will tell how the album stands up against her other releases, but it's certainly a strong album and a return to more of what i like from her. Ultraviolence is a brilliant album, i love it, but i didn't want Ultraviolence 2 for Honeymoon and i'm glad she changed things up for this release. The production feels less raw this time around, a bit more gloss has come back, and i like that, the production feels richer and more cinematic, but there are a few glimmering moments of Ultraviolence in there with a few of the more stripped back songs on the album.
Honeymoon feels like Lana coming full circle, even though it owes a lot to Paradise in it's structure, i can see pieces of all her albums on Honeymoon. With this being her 3rd proper LP release, it feels like a great closing album to 3 full length albums we've had so far, like a trilogy.
 
Lana has shown she has a few surprises under her belt when it comes to her creative output, maybe not so much lyrically, but musically i think we've seen some nice diversity with what influences her. She retains a particular sound which is familiar to her, she always has those very "Lana" sounding songs scattered throughout her work, but she also dips in and out of genres that keep each album sounding fresh. Born To Die was hip hop influenced, Paradise was more alternative pop, Ultraviolance more jazz rock and Honeymoon brings her back to a more alternative pop sound with a bit of muddy trap/trip hop thrown in for good measure.
 
I'm enjoying Honeymoon, there's a lot to offer, and even though lyrically the album may not be anything new from her, i don't mind, i'm less about lyrics with Lana and more about the mood and atmosphere she captures both in her music and her voice. She could sing about eating bbq chicken for all i care, as long as the song has great production [the type that takes me somewhere interesting like so many of her songs do], then i'm happy.
Honeymoon certainly feels more accessible than Ultraviolence, thanks mostly to Honeymoons bigger choruses and production on a few of the tracks, yet it feels more diverse than something like Born To Die, it feels lighter because it offers a mixed bag of sounds, which is probably why down the line Honeymoon may end up becoming my favourite from her. It feels less like a "mood album" and more of an easier listen.
 
 
Honeymoon - 8/10
Music To Watch Boys To - 10/10
Terrence Loves You - 7/10
God Knows I Tried - 8/10
High By The Beach - 8/10
Freak - 8/10
Art Deco - 10/10
Burnt Norton - 8/10
Religion - 8/10
Salvatore - 10/10
The Blackest Day - 9/10
24 - 9/10
Swan Song - 10/10
Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - 7/10

Nnnnnn goodbye @ the Ride song/video hate in the HONEYMOON thread, I still tear up when I watch that video

he is always good pro´mo and she is a pro. some of you guys always portray Lana as this porcelain, super sensitive creature. she ain't. she can take it and she can dish out herself

Well, this is her first era since UV.

It's my favorite too, that bridge makes me cry without an effort, the lyrics just talk about the same moment I'm going through, it sucks to be in love 2 years with someone and then, it's over, and you still love him... ''isn't strange that you're not here with me?''
 

I want the Ride hate to stop right this second.

I want the Ride hate to stop right this second.

Wait... are people doubting this is about Francesco