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Except the remix of SS is not her sound. It's nothing like anything on BTD or P. It even removes the only part of SS I like (where the bridge???). Same with Y&B. You could say that remixes might lead some to check out her original stuff and they might be interested, but I think it rarely gets to that point. And unlike the SS remix, this is a single for an album. It is misleading if you buy UV and don't even have the radiot edit. I know artists do that, but I hate it when they do it too. Same when you pre-order an album because you hear a cool single and the single's not on the album (although in that case you should have read the track list... still, it's obnoxious). I have no problem with different versions of tracks (Y&B). I guess my "problem" is that you have the same song presented in two different ways at the same time for the same album. It's messy and yes, it is misleading. If it were being released like what we saw above where both the radio edit and original are part of the same EP (?), that'd be a different story. Then you have it like a cool bonus. I think what I dislike most about this new version is the vocal take. I really don't like it. It sounds... lazy, if that makes sense? Like she recorded it because the higher ups said "make this more radio-friendly" and she did it in one sitting and left. I can see this being played at many a summer party with the new instrumental, though.

To everyone talking about artists releasing different versions for radio... there's a difference between a radio edit that makes a very long song shorter (eg. Mirrors) and a radio edit that changes the instrumentation and vocal take. Radio edits that are shorter are nothing new, and there are some songs that have slight differences between single and album version (eg. Ellie Goulding and Lights), but Lana basically released an outtake of West Coast that is notably different. Singles are promotional tools for albums, so imagine someone buying UV because they think it's gonna be fun like the radio mix and getting the original... That's my ultimate problem with releasing different versions for radio; it's misleading. Especially if the single version is only available as a single and not as a bonus track on the album... New version is cute and fun, but the original is definitely much more impressive in terms of mood and just moving on from BTD. This sounds like a BTD outtake (Lolita? Early DP?).

What in the world is happening, honestly? Who thought having so many versions of a song at the same time would be a good idea? And they removed the tempo change in that Swiss radio version, noooo What in the world is happening, honestly? Who thought having so many versions of a song at the same time would be a good idea? And they removed the tempo change in that Swiss radio version, noooo

yass, I hate her beauty queen hair. Sirens-era Lana is very interesting and if you look beyond the arrangements, I think you can enjoy the songs. For K/Sirens/Drive-by is one of my favorite Lana songs. I LOVE the tempo changes in WC. I wish she titled Y&B will you still love me when... like she wanted originally. Same with G&M. And I'd have liked "Down on the west coast" as a title. I don't mind leaked songs on albums. BB + AFFA 4 UV 2014

I don't buy from iTunes. So is that Soundcloud link someone posted the new iTunes version? That means so far we have... Radio Mix from BBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N86FqCA-XIk 1st Single Version 1st Dan mix? https://soundcloud.com/igapromotion/lana-del-rey-west-coast 2nd Single Version/2nd Dan mix? (can't find link anywhere) I'm not sure what the Soundcloud versions people are talking about are. I assume the one I linked to for 1st Dan Mix is earlier because the new one is a second longer. And apparently there are more Soundcloud versions??? I'm a bit confused. The one I bought from Amazon says "Rob Orton Mix." It sounds like the video version. Is this the 1st iTunes version? I was scared when I opened the file that I had bought a remix, lol EDIT: At 4:05 on this upload, I hear some backing vocal with reverb that I don't hear on any of the others. Does anyone else hear it or is it just me? It also happens a few seconds before.

So once a song meant for a new album is leaked against the artist's wishes, it can't be used ever again? We weren't supposed to hear BB, after all. I'd like to hear a finished version with a different bridge because it's a gorgeous song. It shouldn't be abandoned because Rick Nowel can't be bothered to properly secure his website. The same goes for AFFA.

So... did you ever get these? Bumping this because I'm on a Flo kick and there are no forums for her. Well, the official forum is dead since 2012 and inaccessible since you need a website account, which you can no longer make... and I know of no fan sites for her (FloBoards???). I kind of have a question. Is F+TM really a band? It's supposed to have other members like Summers and Tom the harpist, but Florence is the only one who appears in music videos (except WTWGM which is recorded in the studio) and she seems to do a lot of solo performances. She's the only one who shows up in photos, the two album covers so far, she's the only one interviewed... is this a case of everyone but the lead singer being ignored or is this a purposeful arrangement where Florence is supposed to be the one at the front.

I seriously need to take notes when I go through this thread so I don't have to keep re-reading it.

Didn't like it on first listen, but now that I'm listening to it with earphones, it sounds better. It'll probably take a few listens to get used to. I mostly hate the effects on her vocals. The 's' sound is way too prominent, the verses sound... altered, and the chorus vocals sound too far back. I do like the "mood" of it. Lana plx release single soon (omg riff from "And I Love Her" at the beginning of the chorus. Get that Beatles reference Lana)

West Coast makes me think of that lazy guitar sound of the 70s as well as the surf pop of the 60s. It's interesting if she decides to go that route; she started incorporating more electric guitars into Paradise iirc. Can't wait!

Double post.

The only tickets I can find now are $950?! Even the scalping tickets are totally gone! Ugh.

Doesn't Livenation have credit card entry? You have to have the same credit card you used to buy tickets present to enter the show. How would scalping work like this?

Same here. Cheapest re-sale is $350. It's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm really hoping I can get tickets tomorrow. I've seen them resold for like $500, which is ridiculous. Curse you, Cedric Gervais!

"She hasn't gone all trap if that's what you were hoping." That doesn't sound like something someone would be hoping from Lana at all. Has anyone expected her new album to feature trap anything? "A little darker" Doesn't match with "unlistenable," which suggests "so dark you will want to take your headphones off and walk around in hopes of becoming the person you were before you heard this album." Then again, Lana loves to exaggerate. "guitars, I'm afraid" Has anyone been anti-Lana doing guitar stuff? She's done it before and I don't feel there's an anti-guitar sentiment among Lana fans. "continuation of last album" Born To Die? Paradise? And didn't Lana bid goodbye to the BTD/P era with Tropico? A more psychedelic Lana sounds interesting, but I'm not holding my breath that this is about Lana. It's about someone people expected to go into trap and is going into guitar stuff instead, to the disappointment of many fans. (Lady Gaga? She had been messing around with trap for a while and a good portion of her fanbase dislikes her guitar rocky stuff, plus she intends to release a continuation to ARTPOP. Katy Perry, what with Dark Horse and all? Seems way too soon for a new Katy album, so I doubt it). Lana should just bring back David Kahne and do an AKA continuation

Someone took a photo of her listening to music and said "probably listening to her new music" and Lana replied "I am." It was on Instagram, I believe? It wouldn't be too hard to believe a fan ran into her while she was listening to her new stuff.

It was word of mouth, so I can't give you any sources. Wiki tells me the video shows suicide, but idk any concrete sources. Googling 'summertime sadness suicide -video" gets me a lot of... weird stuff with no interviews or helpful forum links, so I guess it's someone's conjecture. I have heard from more than one person that she mentioned a friend committed suicide and you could assume this friend is the one in SS, but I haven't been able to find a source for this. SS, regardless of the friend/K angle, might be about suicide anyway. "I know if I go, I'll die happy tonight." Maybe Jump: "do you wanna jump?"

Don't know anything about this guy but I love Eurobeat which I've been told is just sped up Italo Disco. I can't imagine Lana doing it; she likes that faux serious artsy aesthetic. But then again I love campy things, which is the only reason I can stomach every Eurobeat song rhyming "fire" with "desire" (hmm maybe Lana can do it after all...).

Okay, I haven't had time to respond to any of this, but I wanted to drop something that I heard. Apparently Summertime Sadness is about a friend of hers committing suicide? A quick search shows that this is what the video depicts (I haven't watched much of her official videos). It would really knock my summer=K theory out of the water. Nevertheless, I take things she says about her songs with a grain of salt (Video Games was the first song she wrote! And it's about staying sober. But it's also a sequel to Yayo. But it's also part of a trilogy. But it's also about two different guys. she's such a complex writer gais). It makes it really hard to string together anything she says and pick out the truth in her tales. I guess that's what makes Lanalysis fun, after all. Haven't heard the two leaked EPs yet. Curious to find more K songs on there Sirens gave us the original K song, after all.

I still hear it as "juxebox," but I can hear Tupac too. Are there official lyrics out there, though? I thought they were all done by ear.

I used to buy those Kidz Bop CDs and accidentally got my sister into it... I basically bought them because they had a couple songs I liked on it and I didn't understand the concept of buying the actual albums with the real songs on it. This was when the WWW and digital music were in their infancy though, so kids today don't have that excuse. (also forever pressed that the SS remix doesn't include the best part, the bridge!!!!!!!)

Ah, I get it now. Yeah, "Lorde is ugly and should shut her mouth" isn't something I'd expect from a feminist. Or any decent person, really.

I was disgusted at some of the violent comments here as well as people poking fun at Lorde's face. That is not cool. Yes, her eyes are far apart; you don't have to compare her to a cartoon character or repeatedly call her ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. You don't have to find her pretty (I don't) but some of the sentiments here kind of shocked me. I don't understand what's wrong with the Lorde & feminism thread? Nothing she's said indicates that she has more than a shallow understanding of feminism. That's normal. Yes, there are teenagers who are familiar with the tenets of modern feminism and have an understanding of it that's more intricate than what she's shown. As intricate as an adult's? Of course not, they don't have the life experience to have that nuanced understanding. But they have some "book knowledge" at least. Lorde's mother has said she was reading Kurt Vonnegut at age 12 and Lorde is often praised for her intelligence, so I don't see anything wrong with pointing out that what she's said so far about feminism isn't novel or shows an unusual understanding for her age. It's one thing that's at odds with her image of child "prodigy" (once again, I disagree with that phrasing, but that's another topic for another time), not an attack on her character or intelligence. I will say that that topic contained a lot of hostility towards Lorde, including on my part, and I don't think she deserved it. It's clear that she's one of those people that inspires great love or great hatred and since she's been pitted against Lana and has said a couple of unfavorable things about her, it seems that great hatred has blossomed here. When discussing her, it's important to honestly look at one's position and think "how much is my conclusion influenced by my feelings about Lorde? Is my conclusion at odds with the evidence available?" It's definitely difficult to do (some sources would say it's impossible, even when one is aware of one's own biases). But I think it is possible to discuss Lorde's statements and her music without devolving into blind praise or blind hatred. Unfortunately, it's too easy to ruin the balance and inspire feelings of fanaticism on all sides. Also Lana please win a grammy

Thanks, this was it! So basically she only had the chorus written (consistent with what she said in the radio interview about having written the chorus for a song). idk what this means for the Oscars, but recycling unused melodies and lyrics isn't unusual at all (the chorus of "I Know Him So Well" went through about three different incarnations before finding its home as the Chess showstopper) and it seems the rest of the song was written for the film. Rather different from "she wrote the song beforehand and it just happened to fit the film." But I don't know anything about the Oscars or the guidelines so this is just total speculation :v