Vertimus

Sometimes ‘Indie’ is erroneously seen as a musical genre like ‘Alternative,’ rather than meaning ‘on an independent label.’
 
I agree LDR is not Indie.

Sometimes ‘Indie’ is erroneously seen as a musical genre like ‘Alternative,’ rather than meaning ‘on an independent label.’
 
I agree LDR is not Indie.

wayament sis...that dont make no sense..my man
 
have y'all suddenly forgotten Lana is an album-centered artist and that's where most of her draw comes from?? the songs themselves on a chart might've flopped but that's quite literally the furthest objective anyone on her team was looking for when releasing the songs..we discussed this back when VB came out when she said that it was almost like a cruel joke on her team to be releasing a nine minute guitar ballad that morphs into some psychedelic shit with a curse word in the title; she knew it was everything a "lead" single SHOULDN'T be and even her managers were antsy about it
 
Lana is more of a long-term burn type of artist, her albums sell great and people look to those for her music rather than her singles like somebody would Selena Gomez or J. Lo; not to mention critically, Venice Bitch blew everybody out of the fucking water. it's no doubt that it's her best received song since Video Games..7 years into her career and she was hitting the same peaks, if not higher on such a anti-song to be randomly released. 20mil+ streams is great for such awkward songs, especially when two of them are something most listeners wouldn't want to play on repeat. (and with 0 promo...whatsoever, at least Love and LfL had big budget MVs and IRL advertisements). i hate giving whole ass paragraphs on here talking about actual subjects but some of u bitches...

Isn't 'White Mustang' also a phallic double entendre? Seriously. That's how I've always interpreted it, and not because I necessarily wanted to. Something made the narrator love crazy, and could only his car and his album dropping have done that? 
 
 
 
Full agree. Imagine any of us going through all of that, and trying to remain sane and coherent. I have a hard enough time balancing my long, high-pressure work days, long commute, wardrobe (I have to wear a tie and at least a sports coat to work every day in addition to everything else), family life, dog, and the fact that my Spectrum cable keeps going out and I need to make time for a cable guy to come out and fix it again. 

Regarding Moby, she did say she ‘had slept with a lot of people in the industry and it never me anywhere.’ That’s a close paraphrase.

As far as we and her Stans everywhere go, I really doubt we figure into equation at all. Stans are part of celebrity culture, and if she’s distancing herself from its direct, major aspects, and aspects she sees as toxic, she’s very likely distancing herself from thinking much about her fans. She has hundreds of thousands, and many are of the more casual, non-Stan variety.

As far as we and her Stans everywhere go, I really doubt we figure into equation at all. Stans are part of celebrity culture, and if she’s distancing herself from its direct, major aspects, and aspects she sees as toxic, she’s very likely distancing herself from thinking much about her fans. She has hundreds of thousands, and many are of the more casual, non-Stan variety.

Isn't 'White Mustang' also a phallic double entendre? Seriously. That's how I've always interpreted it, and not because I necessarily wanted to. Something made the narrator love crazy, and could only his car and his album dropping have done that? 
 
 
 
Full agree. Imagine any of us going through all of that, and trying to remain sane and coherent. I have a hard enough time balancing my long, high-pressure work days, long commute, wardrobe (I have to wear a tie and at least a sports coat to work every day in addition to everything else), family life, dog, and the fact that my Spectrum cable keeps going out and I need to make time for a cable guy to come out and fix it again. 

After everything she's been through I don't blame her if she quits the business or pulls a Kate Bush or Enya by just releasing music but never tours again. The moment Lana became "famous" she has been laughed at, criticized (SNL), attacked and bullied - even by other celebrities. Kim Gordon told Lana to go "kill herself already". Frances Cobain went on a twitter rampage attacking Lana. Then came the stalking. One "fan" broke into her beach house. Some other "fans" stole her cars. The two Russian "fan girls" who stalked Lana everywhere then threatened her - to the point she had to get a restraining orders. That one "fan" who wanted to kidnap her, rape her and strangle her so they "can be together forever".  She once said she was retiring in 2013. She must have been thinking about it many times after what's happened to her.
 
The woman needs a break.
 
Asking her about NFR in every post she posts on twitter or instagram probably makes her want to release the album even less. I wouldn't be surprised if she shelved the poetry book after the awful things people said in here about her poetry. I'm sure she reads here, it's not even a question. 
 
Remember, Lana is human and she has feelings. Be a little gentle that's all. 

Tori Amos has also written extensively about her unhappy experiences with the music industry, and specifically about how older female artists are politely sidelined and ‘put out to pasture,’ though we don’t know if that is a factor in LDR’s case, as she’s under 35.

Right. It’s interesting how Mitchell often wrote about ‘the star-making machinery behind the popular song’ and the critics ‘bringing out the boards and the nails’ to wall-off and get rid of artists they had grown tired of. Rolling Stone famously voted her ‘Old Lady of the Year,’ which she found insulting.
 
40 years ago, she was going through much the same thing that LDR is now, and also in LA.

Like everyone, she has crises and hassles in her life, which is far more complicated than most of ours. I sensed a crisis after ‘Paradise,’ with the public feud with Lorde, falling out with BJON, the SNL disaster two weeks running, and then the eventual birth of UV, which was radically different from BTD/P.
 
I think she’s going through a similar upset and re-evaluation of her life now, and where her career fits into it. We don’t know what the hell is going on, but it’s very likely that something is.
 
Maybe like so many other artists, from Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell to Kate Bush, Fiona Apple and Marina, she’s just tired of being a celebrity and wants to reclaim her privacy; and she may be additionally conflicted about THAT.
 
Maybe she’s just found herself in a huge muddle that only time and rest and relaxation will fix. Maybe she feels like she simply cannot make a decision about anything.

Regarding Moby, she did say she ‘had slept with a lot of people in the industry and it never me anywhere.’ That’s a close paraphrase.

Regarding Moby, she did say she ‘had slept with a lot of people in the industry and it never me anywhere.’ That’s a close paraphrase.

Regarding Moby, she did say she ‘had slept with a lot of people in the industry and it never me anywhere.’ That’s a close paraphrase.

Regarding Moby, she did say she ‘had slept with a lot of people in the industry and it never me anywhere.’ That’s a close paraphrase.

Speaking for myself, I would've been fine with a legitimate "drought" for like a year or few and then followed by a cohesive album release, rather than what's she done here. To me, it's that she released a solid single, followed shortly by another solid single, and then an interview talking about the album, along with poetry and sailing and flying and whatever, and a perfume campaign, and a few performances, and another single... only to drop everything for nearly half a year. If she wanted the break - which is perfectly fine, and frankly what I had expected - then she should've taken the break between albums and not right after going full-steam into a new album release without actually releasing it. 
It's kind of a cock-tease, to put it crudely.
 
She probably had the lyrics lined up for a while and was itching to record it, so they did it first thing.

Right. It’s interesting how Mitchell often wrote about ‘the star-making machinery behind the popular song’ and the critics ‘bringing out the boards and the nails’ to wall-off and get rid of artists they had grown tired of. Rolling Stone famously voted her ‘Old Lady of the Year,’ which she found insulting.
 
40 years ago, she was going through much the same thing that LDR is now, and also in LA.

Tori Amos has also written extensively about her unhappy experiences with the music industry, and specifically about how older female artists are politely sidelined and ‘put out to pasture,’ though we don’t know if that is a factor in LDR’s case, as she’s under 35.

Tori Amos has also written extensively about her unhappy experiences with the music industry, and specifically about how older female artists are politely sidelined and ‘put out to pasture,’ though we don’t know if that is a factor in LDR’s case, as she’s under 35.

Right. It’s interesting how Mitchell often wrote about ‘the star-making machinery behind the popular song’ and the critics ‘bringing out the boards and the nails’ to wall-off and get rid of artists they had grown tired of. Rolling Stone famously voted her ‘Old Lady of the Year,’ which she found insulting.
 
40 years ago, she was going through much the same thing that LDR is now, and also in LA.

Like everyone, she has crises and hassles in her life, which is far more complicated than most of ours. I sensed a crisis after ‘Paradise,’ with the public feud with Lorde, falling out with BJON, the SNL disaster two weeks running, and then the eventual birth of UV, which was radically different from BTD/P.
 
I think she’s going through a similar upset and re-evaluation of her life now, and where her career fits into it. We don’t know what the hell is going on, but it’s very likely that something is.
 
Maybe like so many other artists, from Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell to Kate Bush, Fiona Apple and Marina, she’s just tired of being a celebrity and wants to reclaim her privacy; and she may be additionally conflicted about THAT.
 
Maybe she’s just found herself in a huge muddle that only time and rest and relaxation will fix. Maybe she feels like she simply cannot make a decision about anything.

Tori Amos has also written extensively about her unhappy experiences with the music industry, and specifically about how older female artists are politely sidelined and ‘put out to pasture,’ though we don’t know if that is a factor in LDR’s case, as she’s under 35.

Right. It’s interesting how Mitchell often wrote about ‘the star-making machinery behind the popular song’ and the critics ‘bringing out the boards and the nails’ to wall-off and get rid of artists they had grown tired of. Rolling Stone famously voted her ‘Old Lady of the Year,’ which she found insulting.
 
40 years ago, she was going through much the same thing that LDR is now, and also in LA.

Agreed. She doesn’t OWE us or anyone else anything, but it’s just common sense and professionalism in this era of instant communication to update your fandom once you’ve made a claim that has turned out not to be accurate.
 
I think she doesn’t know the release date due to some mysterious goings-on about which we can only speculate, and simply fears making everything worse by saying ANYTHING at all.
 
Which, with her track record, might be a smart move.