mauve

So glad you agree! I think Lana's 100% sardonic - mostly innocent but sometimes going towards the cynical side. That's how she can get away with singing such about ridiculously tabooed stuff, like how she objectifies herself the whole time. Also, anyone else would seem so stupidly pious and pretentious singing about 50s glamour, pin-up girl stuff and trailer park hardship, but Lana gets away with it because she's so tongue in cheek . We know she's sort of having a laugh at the same time. Think Behind Closed Doors . I'm also British and have to restrain myself from saying sarcastic,dead-pan things the whole time xD

Hmm, you're probably right.. I think she's so infatuated with her whole imaginary scene that she isn't quite capable of being tongue in cheek. By the way, I love your name/username

See, I really would love to believe she's being tongue in cheek but... I don't know if that's giving her too much credit...
 
Loving all the British love in this thread.

yes! this was me and 'my best days.' i'd never really paid any attention to it and even though it sounds auto-tuned and unfinished i am kinda addicted.

I like to call those kind of songs rough diamonds. They're without a doubt great songs that just need a little more work to them. The first ones that come to my mind are Daddy Issues/IWIABW, Noir, Catch & Release, Golden Grill and Television Heaven. I used to hate those songs and never wanted to listen to them, but they grew on me a lot after I realized how much potential they've got in order to become great songs. They're all really catchy songs as well, but it takes a while to actually get into them.

Hi,
I just wanted to post about this as it's a major phenomenon that keeps happening to me regarding Lana's unreleased stuff. When I first heard them all, I loved all the obviously catchy and/or safe ones, where she sings out clear, like Never Let Me Go, Black Beauty, Motel 6, On Our Way, Velvet Crowbar (at least, those kinda songs seemed more similar to BTD songs than others).
Some struck me as really irritating, trippy and strangely structured. Then, those songs started to grow on me, to the extent that they are solidly my favourite these days. 
For example, I used to think I hated Hundred Dollar Bill, but I adore it now, and how it manages to be opulent and also quite trashy. That's what I love about Lana.. I'm English so find the whole Chateau Marmont, Sunset Boulevard, Chevrolet etc. Hollywoodesque glamour to be extremely interesting and cool to hear about, as it's so different. I also love hearing about Coney Island's degenerate nightlife in Lana's songs, trailer parks and Motel 6 etc.
 
I also thought Big Bad Wolf was so indulgent and annoying, but I love it so much! I love Boarding School, Pin-Up Galore and Queen of the Gas Station, even though I personally think that her vocals are quite bad in these songs (please don't kill me). I think Lana's sounds quite sardonic in her more dramatic songs, especially QotGS, like she's saying, 'just kidding, do you really think I'd pick a gas station over a limousine" XD! 
 
Do any of you guys find that songs you used to dislike because of sugary, iffy vocals or unusual structures tend become your favourites? Basically, any unreleased song that strikes me as something negative at any time is likely to become a firm favourite

YES this is exactly what I mean!

Yes I love Never Let Me Go and Every Man Gets His Wish. I also find Angels Forever Forever Angeles and JFK as  haunting beautiful songs that deserve to be released.
 
Other favorite songs include Afraid, On Our Way, and Hawaiian Tropic. 

So many of them have a horrid shallow popish sound to them that I usually wouldn't touch with a barge pole, and yet somehow because Lana sings them I listed to them

I didn't like Noir in the beginning and now it's one of my favorites.

YES. I have always thought that a lot of the time in songs she sounds sardonic. Maybe it's my British sense of humour kicking in xD

Maybe like the first truly weird song to ever leak. Delicious, maybe? No probably even earlier with Match Made in Heaven. But after that I immediately bopped to all the Noirs and the Catch and Releases and such.

Hi,
I just wanted to post about this as it's a major phenomenon that keeps happening to me regarding Lana's unreleased stuff. When I first heard them all, I loved all the obviously catchy and/or safe ones, where she sings out clear, like Never Let Me Go, Black Beauty, Motel 6, On Our Way, Velvet Crowbar (at least, those kinda songs seemed more similar to BTD songs than others).
Some struck me as really irritating, trippy and strangely structured. Then, those songs started to grow on me, to the extent that they are solidly my favourite these days. 
For example, I used to think I hated Hundred Dollar Bill, but I adore it now, and how it manages to be opulent and also quite trashy. That's what I love about Lana.. I'm English so find the whole Chateau Marmont, Sunset Boulevard, Chevrolet etc. Hollywoodesque glamour to be extremely interesting and cool to hear about, as it's so different. I also love hearing about Coney Island's degenerate nightlife in Lana's songs, trailer parks and Motel 6 etc.
 
I also thought Big Bad Wolf was so indulgent and annoying, but I love it so much! I love Boarding School, Pin-Up Galore and Queen of the Gas Station, even though I personally think that her vocals are quite bad in these songs (please don't kill me). I think Lana's sounds quite sardonic in her more dramatic songs, especially QotGS, like she's saying, 'just kidding, do you really think I'd pick a gas station over a limousine" XD! 
 
Do any of you guys find that songs you used to dislike because of sugary, iffy vocals or unusual structures tend become your favourites? Basically, any unreleased song that strikes me as something negative at any time is likely to become a firm favourite

I'd love to get a risky Lana type tattoo, just a small one saying something like 'Coney Island Queen'. However, I think people have to be SO careful about text, especially if it's someone else's message. Sad and hard to imagine as it is, Lana might very well mean nothing to you in 20 years. Do you really want lyrics on your body about her tough years of degeneration by alcohol -  true, they may be very beautifully written, and I do obsess over her lyrics and write them in books etc., but wouldn't want them on my skin. Also, on somewhere like the side of your hand where the skin can have some of those creases from your palm, it's probably going to stretch and look horrific quickly after. You need to research it so much.
Also, I'm only 15 and realise that I would regret it. I know people say 'surely you shouldn't regret something that made you happy when you were younger', but if I happened to become a doctor or something, I don't think I'd need the added worry at the age of 35 of having to remove a tattoo saying 'Degenerate Beauty Queen', or to have to hide 'trust no bitch' with thick makeup. I know that sounds really uptight and it's great if you have the guts to get a Lana tattoo, or any tattoo, but I'm just too boring and nervous xD! 

I'd love to get a risky Lana type tattoo, just a small one saying something like 'Coney Island Queen'. However, I think people have to be SO careful about text, especially if it's someone else's message. Sad and hard to imagine as it is, Lana might very well mean nothing to you in 20 years. Do you really want lyrics on your body about her tough years of degeneration by alcohol -  true, they may be very beautifully written, and I do obsess over her lyrics and write them in books etc., but wouldn't want them on my skin. Also, on somewhere like the side of your hand where the skin can have some of those creases from your palm, it's probably going to stretch and look horrific quickly after. You need to research it so much.
Also, I'm only 15 and realise that I would regret it. I know people say 'surely you shouldn't regret something that made you happy when you were younger', but if I happened to become a doctor or something, I don't think I'd need the added worry at the age of 35 of having to remove a tattoo saying 'Degenerate Beauty Queen', or to have to hide 'trust no bitch' with thick makeup. I know that sounds really uptight and it's great if you have the guts to get a Lana tattoo, or any tattoo, but I'm just too boring and nervous xD! 

I'd love to get a risky Lana type tattoo, just a small one saying something like 'Coney Island Queen'. However, I think people have to be SO careful about text, especially if it's someone else's message. Sad and hard to imagine as it is, Lana might very well mean nothing to you in 20 years. Do you really want lyrics on your body about her tough years of degeneration by alcohol -  true, they may be very beautifully written, and I do obsess over her lyrics and write them in books etc., but wouldn't want them on my skin. Also, on somewhere like the side of your hand where the skin can have some of those creases from your palm, it's probably going to stretch and look horrific quickly after. You need to research it so much.
Also, I'm only 15 and realise that I would regret it. I know people say 'surely you shouldn't regret something that made you happy when you were younger', but if I happened to become a doctor or something, I don't think I'd need the added worry at the age of 35 of having to remove a tattoo saying 'Degenerate Beauty Queen', or to have to hide 'trust no bitch' with thick makeup. I know that sounds really uptight and it's great if you have the guts to get a Lana tattoo, or any tattoo, but I'm just too boring and nervous xD! 

Hundred Dollar Bill (V1) vs Ghetto Baby
 
@@mauve , well, seems like you did.

I'd love to get a risky Lana type tattoo, just a small one saying something like 'Coney Island Queen'. However, I think people have to be SO careful about text, especially if it's someone else's message. Sad and hard to imagine as it is, Lana might very well mean nothing to you in 20 years. Do you really want lyrics on your body about her tough years of degeneration by alcohol -  true, they may be very beautifully written, and I do obsess over her lyrics and write them in books etc., but wouldn't want them on my skin. Also, on somewhere like the side of your hand where the skin can have some of those creases from your palm, it's probably going to stretch and look horrific quickly after. You need to research it so much.
Also, I'm only 15 and realise that I would regret it. I know people say 'surely you shouldn't regret something that made you happy when you were younger', but if I happened to become a doctor or something, I don't think I'd need the added worry at the age of 35 of having to remove a tattoo saying 'Degenerate Beauty Queen', or to have to hide 'trust no bitch' with thick makeup. I know that sounds really uptight and it's great if you have the guts to get a Lana tattoo, or any tattoo, but I'm just too boring and nervous xD! 

All of these tattoos are a fucking nightmare. Never touching my body

Firstly, I'll start off saying that I absolutely love Never Let Me Go. I always mentally group this song with 'On Our Way' for some reason - mainly because both really show off her gorgeous voice, have strikingly cheesy country song sounding titles (reminiscent of Taylor Swift, but don't kill me) and are both an unusual type of song for Lana to sing, especially in her unreleased list.I think they're absolutely amazing, but sound very polished and, dare I say, mainstream (for alternative music) to be unreleased, if you know what I mean? They're just so smooth and her voice is so velvety, compared to, say, Velvet Crowbar, where she sounds passionately desperate and pleading, Tired of Singing the Blues, where she goes a bit all over the place (but I love it) and Every Man Gets His Wish.
 
In my examples, which are my favourites, Lana's voice is perfect but really varies and for ex., in EMGHW and in Motel 6, you can hear Lana laughing while she sings, maybe smiling at the absurdity of the scene in Motel 6 (for the latter). She really gives you a full, flirtatious image. That's why I love her unreleased music, but it is relatively unrefined in a charming way.  Whilst it's not mainstream at all, Never Let Me Go just seems so polished. I can't think of a better word, but it doesn't match her other music. Some of Lana's best unreleased songs are often a little 'trippy', 'sensual' or so alternative and daring/taboo that you can't imagine them on an album.
 
I think NLMG just really stands out for me because it's so smooth and.. practised? I don't want to come across as a hater because I adore Lana's less technically flawless sounding music, and it's all relative, because she's so fantastic. I just feel like it could have gone onto an album but was probably not dark enough/image inducing enough, or maybe the timing was wrong? 

Dear Lord when I get to heaven, will you get rid of Cedrid Gervais remixes? 

I just find it odd on that poster that they would write SS, with Bel Air, G&M + BE to promote paradise? Fair enough with SS as the remix was a worldwide hit but the others I don't get because surely it would say Ride as that was the lead single? Or maybe they put Summertime Sadness there so that people who aren't die hard Lana fans but just know of her because of SS will watch Tropico? I'm confused myself because I'm sure SS isn't in Tropico.

We all should get a day off at work or school on December 5   

seems like there's going to be a lot of scenes that'll look indulgent and pointless, but eye-meltingly gorgeous 
 

 
definite arthouse aspirations 

Have you tried the other Elder Scrolls games? Morrowind and Oblivion? Otherwise there are things like Dragon's Dogma, Dragon Age, Fable...