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It was obviously poorly worded and handled, there are things to criticize about the message at hand, but I think her being angry and lashing out is valid. She's fucking had it. I honestly wonder how many mere LB users would've cracked under the pressure she felt early on in career, back when indie music critics and Tumblr/Twitter stans, made a sport out of hating the good sis. They were legit trying to drill her a new asshole and were always on her back on a daily basis. Judging by what happened today, apparently she's still feeling this way today. It's so easy to judge people behind your keyboard and hide under a pseudonym/username and try to act hollier than thou, but truth is most of y'all would need psychiatric help had you been through what she has been through. I do sincerely wish she had shut up and didn't comment all those cringy comments, but she's had it with the haters and I'm living for her LIVING her Brooklyn Baby fantasy!

THIS. She has legit been holding this for close to nine years. I wonder how many whiny LB user would've cracked under the pressure if they had been in the same position as she has. Her comments were even more tone deaf than the post itself and I wish she didn't say anything more, but she's hurt and her pain is valid as fuck.

It's in times like these I wish Lana had a PR person. I get what she's trying to say after she's been dodging people left and right today, but it's worded oh so poorly omg...

Fair enough. Have a good one, Pins. x

That's fair. But my whole point is, some of y'all act like what Lana wrote was "These women get a free pass just because they are POC" (Ariana not included, obviously) thereby disregarding, invalidating and overlooking their personal hardships, but also the hardships they experience as minorities, and that's specifically what Lana did not write.

This discussion explores areas that Lana didn't cover, and I'm sure didn't even think about covering, in her original post. She's literally just expressing frustrations from a personal perspective; seeing other women being celebrated (for the most part, there will always be haters) for being their exuberant, bold, fearless, magnificent self and expressing their womanhood however the fuck they want, but when she did that not so long ago she was dragged through the pits and that's all there is to say. Funny how a week ago y'all were all for Lana expressing pain over Mother's Day and that was somewhat acceptable for a modern woman to say "you know what, Mother's Day is kinda bullshit", but for her to put some perspective and trying to understand why she was hated this damn much the first couple years after she popped on the scene, that's a no no, because she happened to have mentioned other very successful female artists and put some perspective to what she was trying to point out. This board is, and will forever be, a joke.

Yup, and somehow some of than non-sensical, no nuance, exaggerated, taken out of context and blown out of proportions type of discourse made its way on here.

She literally was being criticized for that, that's the whole point. We all know damn well that Lana has an entire catalog full of songs that explore these so called controversial topics, that's not the point. The point is some artists in the music industry express certain ideas in their music and it's like "YASSSS" and others do just that and it's like "yikes".

Lana's whole point was that some people get a free pass, or do not receive the same criticism for expressing themselves (in that case expressing their views on feminism and womanhood), while she was just being her "Lana Del Rey, mysterious and glamorous woman, harkening you back to an era gone by and she sings her songs from a so called unconventional POV" self. Somehow at the time that was deemed as problematic, but now she sees these successful female artists being bold about their femininity and, for the most part, getting praised for it. I'm sure she lives for every single one of them, but it probably also doesn't sit well with her, because not so long ago she was being critiqued for doing very that.

Eh, agree to disagree. I listen to a lot of neo-psychedelic artists and VB is not all that. It's very progressive.

Lana always responds.

Uh, I don't think she just suddenly got flashbacks from all the unnecessary bullshit she received in 2012. I feel like Lana is very cautious of what she says or does, because she's constantly being reminded by hollier than thou Twitter bitches that she's "problematic". Also, her receiving acclaim over NFR, which is her most beige and lyrically tamed/least controversial album thus far, also probably felt like bullshit after all these years of being treated like the laughing stock of the indie scene.

Thank you for your valuable input and upon your personal request I shall disconnect from LanaBoreds.

Doja comes across as a little unhinged to me, so I don't know whether she was fucking around in her own weird Doja way or if she wants to throw hands with Lanz

thank you for some needed perspective and analysis.

didn't Doja get to number one in parts due to her promising to show off her tits or something? Also, while 'Say So' is a bop, where are my good up in arms feminist sisters at? Don't they know that the song was produced by our good pal Dr Luke?

pretty sure that was meant to be shady towards Lana

sunk the dunker means to drown Lana basically, I'm guessing Doja took it personally

stan Twitter would've somehow made the correlation and we would've had the exact same discussion

Nicki will speak up for sure, that's her whole shtick. Maybe Ariana and Camila have good reading skills and will see that Lana didn't mean to shade them and maybe they'll mention something more positive. The rest of them will probably stay silent, because they probably don't care, especially Beyoncé.

That's some wishful thinking. I kinda wish she'd meet up with Dan Auerbach right about now and devote all that aggressivity she's got within and put that into her art.

If you believe in cancel culture, mayhaps. If you have fully functioning braincells, you'll be fine. Besides, Twitter stans only preach for themselves, it's an echo chamber of sorts.

I feel like the only repercussions will be Twitter users hating on her even more than they already did, and calling her problematic and shit. For us fans and John Q Public, and I might be wrong, this doesn't seem like it's going to affect her really. Just wait until someone "fucks up" on and for these same Twitter folks and re-start the "cancel" machine again, and they'll forget Lana even existed.

I feel like what you're trying to do is putting a value or a level of intensity to someone's personal challenges/harships and then turn around and be like "Lana sweetie, even though your post was not about that, your hardship is not as valid or as important as this other woman's". Yes, it was pointless for her to namedrop anyone, but Lana legit thought about quitting it all almost ten years ago because of the way she was treated, and her seeing women feeling bold to express their views of feminism and womanhood, and being praised for it, probably irks her, because not so long ago she was being criticized and hated on for doing exactly that with her own lyrics and image. Sad to hear about what both Beyoncé and Nicki went through seriously. I guess that with Beyoncé, like you said, she had the last laugh, Lemonade is considered to be a very important piece of artistry and she received very positive reviews and critical acclaim for its importance as a music and visual piece, but also as a monument for black culture as well. Because at the end of the day what truly matters is the people that put you up, not try to put you down.

Y'all would've been totally fine had she not mentioned any of these women, but somehow her giving exemples as to how she was treated like shit by the industry as a whole, you twist this into a racist issue and are like "oh poor white girl" or "this sounds about white", she expressed her feelings as a woman period, nothing to do with anyone's skin colour.