Ethel Cain

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Amber waves is so perfect 

[dxughterofcxin 23]

hey doves <3 i'm new here, but i'm happy to meet people who are into some similar things

 

fave ethel song has to be western nights currently ♡

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9 hours ago, Party Favor said:

rating anything from perverts below a 7 is insane

[dxughterofcxin 23]

11 hours ago, Party Favor said:

rating anything from perverts below a 7 is insane

perverts is easily one of my top albums ever, such a hauntingly beautiful piece. vacillator easily makes me cry

[Anonymcomenter 4,740]

I think she should do more songs like Saddle Up!, Romeo’s Daddy and Sex Chance… such BOPs

 

I dont really vibe with some of her last songs… specially Punish. Not because its creppy or anything like that (i love that) but the message… i dont think its a topic to see in that light… dont get me wrong, im no moral police (i love Selby Wall) but when it comes to pdf it makes me unconfortable and i think theres no excuse (specially now with all that MAP shit going on trying to make it seem normal and associate with the LGBTQ+ community). 

 

anyways, i love her and her aesthetic. She really has a lot of potential and im excited to see whats next. Gibson Girl is THAT bitch 

[Shadowheart 3,845]

21 minutes ago, Anonymcomenter said:

I think she should do more songs like Saddle Up!, Romeo’s Daddy and Sex Chance… such BOPs

 

I dont really vibe with some of her last songs… specially Punish. Not because its creppy or anything like that (i love that) but the message… i dont think its a topic to see in that light… dont get me wrong, im no moral police (i love Selby Wall) but when it comes to pdf it makes me unconfortable and i think theres no excuse (specially now with all that MAP shit going on trying to make it seem normal and associate with the LGBTQ+ community). 

 

anyways, i love her and her aesthetic. She really has a lot of potential and im excited to see whats next. Gibson Girl is THAT bitch 

 

I get your point, however i am the polar opposite. I love how heavy the topics of her art are, this is really the first artist i have discovered that writes about such stuff and i fucking love it

 

the thing about Punish, i honestly always understood the song personally the way that the lyrics can be both from POVs of the predator and the victim. I do obviously know the lore described by Hayden, but i guess good art makes people look at it from multiple angles

[Ethel Cain 9,215]

33 minutes ago, Anonymcomenter said:

I dont really vibe with some of her last songs… specially Punish. Not because its creppy or anything like that (i love that) but the message… i dont think its a topic to see in that light… dont get me wrong, im no moral police (i love Selby Wall) but when it comes to pdf it makes me unconfortable and i think theres no excuse (specially now with all that MAP shit going on trying to make it seem normal and associate with the LGBTQ+ community). 

Punish is not trying to justify pedophilia (more so Ethel isn’t but the narrator in the story is), it’s an exploration of shame. Here’s what she said about it

“I wonder how deep shame can run, and how unforgivable an act could be that I may still justify it in some bent way to make carrying it more bearable,” Cain says in the press release. “Would I tell myself it’s not my fault and I couldn’t help myself? Would anyone truly believe that? Would I?”

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42 minutes ago, Shadowheart said:

 

I get your point, however i am the polar opposite. I love how heavy the topics of her art are, this is really the first artist i have discovered that writes about such stuff and i fucking love it

 

the thing about Punish, i honestly always understood the song personally the way that the lyrics can be both from POVs of the predator and the victim. I do obviously know the lore described by Hayden, but i guess good art makes people look at it from multiple angles

 

36 minutes ago, Ethel Cain said:

Punish is not trying to justify pedophilia (more so Ethel isn’t but the narrator in the story is), it’s an exploration of shame. Here’s what she said about it

“I wonder how deep shame can run, and how unforgivable an act could be that I may still justify it in some bent way to make carrying it more bearable,” Cain says in the press release. “Would I tell myself it’s not my fault and I couldn’t help myself? Would anyone truly believe that? Would I?”

I see both points, dont get me wrong! I dont think shes standing up for pdfs or anything like that, but i would have loved if she had clarified a bit more about why it is wrong… i get she was trying an impartial approach for the sake of art, but specially being about a real life case i think she should at least try to make her position more clear…

 

i do love heavy topics, but i think trying to get simpathy for the perpetrator is a bit too much… specially with her recent controversies online about incest and all that stuff. Pederasty is not a kink or a philia, is a crime that should not be compared to other “sexual desviations” in my opinion. From what i gathered, the initial concept for the album was to talk about different types of philias in each song, and to compare this behaviour to them seems a bit dismissive to the actual gravity of child abuse

 

but i guess thats the art of music everyone makes its own conclusions

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1 hour ago, Anonymcomenter said:

 

I see both points, dont get me wrong! I dont think shes standing up for pdfs or anything like that, but i would have loved if she had clarified a bit more about why it is wrong… i get she was trying an impartial approach for the sake of art, but specially being about a real life case i think she should at least try to make her position more clear…

 

i do love heavy topics, but i think trying to get simpathy for the perpetrator is a bit too much… specially with her recent controversies online about incest and all that stuff. Pederasty is not a kink or a philia, is a crime that should not be compared to other “sexual desviations” in my opinion. From what i gathered, the initial concept for the album was to talk about different types of philias in each song, and to compare this behaviour to them seems a bit dismissive to the actual gravity of child abuse

 

but i guess thats the art of music everyone makes its own conclusions

 

okay, i do kinda agree.

 

Now that i think about it, whenever i listen to Punish i kinda relate it to other shameful sexual behaviors then the crime in question. I wish Punish was honestly not about the crime of pdf, but rather some fetish that is harming physically, or mentally the narrator (like hardcore bdsm, humiliation, cuckolding, cheating or smth). I used to read a lot about such mental developments in people and how it is based on their past, they do struggle with shame and hatred towards themselves because of the things that turn them on, so phrases like "punished by love" do make sense, and whenever i listen to the song i think about the lyrics that way (well apart from the very specific Plauche name drop of course, which in my opinion is the only lyric that points directly at pederasty).

 

edit: also considering the whole album called "Perverts", and not "Pedophiles" i think it would fit the narrative a bit better to dive deep into the perversion and different types of darkness that comes within, not focusing on crimes or specific cases like Plauche

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7 minutes ago, Shadowheart said:

 

okay, i do kinda agree.

 

Now that i think about it, whenever i listen to Punish i kinda relate it to other shameful sexual behaviors then the crime in question. I wish Punish was honestly not about the crime of pdf, but rather some fetish that is harming physically, or mentally the narrator (like hardcore bdsm, humiliation, cuckolding, cheating or smth). I used to read a lot about such mental developments in people and how it is based on their past, they do struggle with shame and hatred towards themselves because of the things that turn them on, so phrases like "punished by love" do make sense, and whenever i listen to the song i think about the lyrics that way (well apart from the very specific Plauche name drop of course, which in my opinion is the only lyric that points directly at pederasty).

 

edit: also considering the whole album called "Perverts", and not "Pedophiles" i think it would fit the narrative a bit better to dive deep into the perversion and different types of darkness that comes within, not focusing on crimes or specific cases like Plauche

i agree, i would have loved if she had explored those topics instead! I get its open for interpretation but it makes me a little uncomfortable to listen to it for that same very reason… I think maybe the wrong people can get comfort in those lyrics and thats sad cause i want to believe thats not the point Ethel wants to make

[Anonymcomenter 4,740]

Not related, but am I the only one getting major Silent Hill vibes from her? If they ever make another movie… she should be on charge of the soundtrack! 

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On 2/12/2025 at 3:05 AM, Anonymcomenter said:

 

I see both points, dont get me wrong! I dont think shes standing up for pdfs or anything like that, but i would have loved if she had clarified a bit more about why it is wrong… i get she was trying an impartial approach for the sake of art, but specially being about a real life case i think she should at least try to make her position more clear…

 

i do love heavy topics, but i think trying to get simpathy for the perpetrator is a bit too much… specially with her recent controversies online about incest and all that stuff. Pederasty is not a kink or a philia, is a crime that should not be compared to other “sexual desviations” in my opinion. From what i gathered, the initial concept for the album was to talk about different types of philias in each song, and to compare this behaviour to them seems a bit dismissive to the actual gravity of child abuse

 

but i guess thats the art of music everyone makes its own conclusions

 

maybe im misunderstanding what youre saying, but Punish isnt "about a real life case" it just uses Plauche as an analogy and thats it. 

 

also im confused with "pederasty/pedophilia isnt a philia". uh yeah it is? hence the name? necrophilia is also a philia even though it is a heinous crime. being a crime doesnt revoke its philia status. 

 

anyways, i still think Punish is actually a far better deconstruction of and helpful insight into pedophilic abuse than most pedo-denouncing media we're subjected to. 

 

i oft think about those "pedo catchers" content farms online who clearly do not *really* care about helping abused children, they just want to find someone society is understandably too scared to defend so they can beat the shit out of them for fun and record it. i feel like those channels are an extreme microcosm of the average persons sentiment. the avg joe does not want to put in the effort for real change and preventative action, that would require very hard work, mercy/understanding for the abhorrent, plus dismantling and reworking abusive institutions like the church and the family. while they would never admit it for virtue signaling reasons, a large percent of ppl would rather just stick their head in the sand pretending abuse isnt transpiring, and only after-the-fact tie the pedo to an electric chair (which does literally nothing) when the evidence becomes too much to ignore, pretending that they did something noble.

Punish on the other hand posits a better perspective to the pedophilia contagion than just ignorance and electric chairs. the lyrics (at least to me) imply that pedophelic abusers are not genetically predestined (predisposed ≠ predestined), but rather created by poor environments, abuse incurred to oneself by other pedophiles, and a kneejerk culture that wholly alienates potential pedos who havent abused yet and want help to fix their urges. pedophilia is *very* often cyclical, having a child abused by a pedophilia will become a pedophile who abuses another. none of these rationale excuses their actions and means they shouldnt be put in prison, but it is important to talk about and doesnt "minimize the childs abuse". emphasis should always be put on prevention of abuse, not belated performative justice, and by researching pedophiles from an analytical mostly-non-biased perspective, and not a kneejerk "kill on sight!!!" mentality is the way to do that. 

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I have been listening to Skinheads on YouTube nonstop these past few days. That song is so good. I can't believe it wasn't released. I know it was supposed on the Golden Age EP (and imo it should've been). It sounds similar to another song on there in terms of the production but I can't figure out which song.

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i think hayden scrapped the original concept of perverts for a reason, so i think its a bit silly to assume she was condoning anything. also, did she delete the post where she discussed og perverts?? its not on her main or second account + i explicitly remember reading it right when she posted 

On 2/11/2025 at 9:45 AM, dxughterofcxin said:

perverts is easily one of my top albums ever, such a hauntingly beautiful piece. vacillator easily makes me cry

this, etienne, amber waves, and crazily enough, pulldrone make me very emotional. idk what it is but there's just smth so heavy about them (minus eteinne) 

[Anonymcomenter 4,740]

Bruises and Selby Wall sample the same instrumental? The melody is soooo similar

[dxughterofcxin 23]

can we talk about how HAUNTING fear no plague is?? like that song makes me shiver, sob, throw up. her vocals on there are amazing, I need that song to play as i'm lowered into my grave

[Dark Angel 205,856]

so... i just finished listening to perverts, and...

 

I LOVE IT! i have to be honest, i didn't really expect myself to love it, or for it to really connect with me, i like several songs off of preacher's daughter, but it just didn't wow me the way it did with many people, also, i just simple wasn't too keen on the amount of reverb used, i went into perverts with an open mind, but i did anticipate that i would be bored by it, since i'm aware how difficult it can be to make ambient music and/or excessively long music to be engaging (although in my liked songs i have just one day of endless love by katie jane garside which is nearly 20-minutes long and is literally just some lo-fi electronic bells and her murmuring and singing incoherently... but i don't listen to it that often LOL) or that i wouldn't really like the production, but i really, really liked it, every track offered something valuable to me, i am genuinely so glad i went out of my way to listen to perverts, it will most certainly be a mainstay in my rotation <3

 

some highlights... the vocals on perverts, i love how her voice sounds androgynous here, also, how it sounds very primitive, almost as if they spoken thousands of years ago by someone long-forgotten, now just dust, yet, also futuristic, like a rudimentary, yet constantly-evolving piece of intelligent, robotic technology, which in itself is something scary

 

houseofpsychoticwomn is very interesting and might just be my favorite off of perverts, despite how chaotic, bleak, and honestly scary it is, it feels extremely intimate, and hearkens back old, vague, deeply-buried memories of old crushes, old friendships, and old hopes, most of which were probably snuffed out by the passage of time, changes of events, and maturing of minds, i love how it seems to either sample/reference ptolemaea, also, houseofpsychoticwomn seems to either sample, or shares a sample with this, infant ra by inca ore

 

 

i really love the spoken-word intro of pulldrone, i found it immensely fascinating

 

and, lastly, i love the calm, melancholic, bittersweet feel of amber waves, also love the fact that the title references the classic patriotic song america the beautiful, which feels very ethel cain to me

 

hayden, if you're reading this, i think perverts is wonderful, and i hope you'll continue to do your own thing, and continue to further your artistry, don't let anyone get you down about it, and do not be afraid to continue exploring new sounds, new genres, and for your art to be as weird, inaccessible, pretentious, and fascinating as you want to be <3

[Dark Angel 205,856]

amber waves...

 

i have officially fell down the ethel cain rabbit-hole... and i am glad

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On 2/1/2025 at 5:30 PM, Ethel Cain said:

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_r27sp7Z2u41xbpzza_720.mp4

 

is this not a demo/alt version of waco texas? 

where is this from?

[Ethel Cain 9,215]

57 minutes ago, Terrence Loves Me said:

where is this from?

An old tumblr post