2024 US Presidential Election - Kamala Harris/Tim Walz vs. Donald Trump/JD Vance

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13 minutes ago, Barry said:

Cause they can all say whatever but it's the actions that matter, and the actions never materialise.

Kamala is literally the vice president the now a year into them flattening Palestine while doing nothing about it.

This argument is funny to me because Trump was also president for 4 years and he also did nothing to stop Israel. The crisis in Palestine has been happening for years, it’s not something that only started last year. 

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18 minutes ago, Barry said:

Cause they can all say whatever but it's the actions that matter, and the actions never materialise.

Kamala is literally the vice president the now a year into them flattening Palestine while doing nothing about it.

This narrative of “Kamala is in office right now” is so tired because yes she is in office, but she is the vice president, which historically is basically a fluff position.

 

You can’t name a single thing Pence did while he was vice president or what Biden did while Obama was president, but suddenly Kamala isn’t doing anything. 

she has 3 basic duties. 
 

1) be the senate tie breaking vote (which she did when she passed the inflation reduction act)

2) do jobs the president delegates to her (which for her was solving the issues of why immigrants from 3 countries were coming into America, which she did work on and did fix)

3) step in if something happens to the President. 
 

There isn’t much she can do regarding what is currently happening more than she already is doing (being vocal about wanting a ceasefire and not attending events regarding Israel) which personally I think are a two very big actions.

[Candy Necklace 7,154]

I hate to be dramatic but sitting up on your high horse and choosing not to vote is not the dignified action you think it is. Elections have consequences and if you might think a Trump presidency might not affect you personally doesn’t mean the people around you won’t suffer.

[Barry 5,892]

5 minutes ago, NikoGo said:

This narrative of “Kamala is in office right now” is so tired because yes she is in office, but she is the vice president, which historically is basically a fluff position.

 

You can’t name a single thing Pence did while he was vice president or what Biden did while Obama was president, but suddenly Kamala isn’t doing anything. 

she has 3 basic duties. 
 

1) be the senate tie breaking vote (which she did when she passed the inflation reduction act)

2) do jobs the president delegates to her (which for her was solving the issues of why immigrants from 3 countries were coming into America, which she did work on and did fix)

3) step in if something happens to the President. 
 

There isn’t much she can do regarding what is currently happening more than she already is doing (being vocal about wanting a ceasefire and not attending events regarding Israel) which personally I think are a two very big actions.

To me they aren't actions.

Actions would be calling them out as scum and saying vote for me I will cut ties with Israel and stop funding them, she would never do that though as she'd be kicked out and never get the job or be associated with again. That means she's not the right character to me, to me a politician should want to use their position to help people regardless and then if they get kicked out because thats not allowed they go on their own and build their own team and get new supporters for being the right type of person who will do good.

Her and Trump are 99.9% alike. They are only in poltics for fun, noteriety, power and money.

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its over

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Just now, Barry said:

To me they aren't actions.

Actions would be calling them out as scum and saying vote for me I will cut ties with Israel and stop funding them, she would never do that though as she'd be kicked out and never get the job or be associated with again. That means she's not the right character to me, to me a politician should want to use their position to help people regardless and then if they get kicked out because thats not allowed they go on their own and build their own team and get new supporters for being the right type of person who will do good.

Her and Trump are 99.9% alike.

I hate to say it but if that’s how you feel than your overall perception of what the government is and what the government does is secretly lacking. 
 

Israel, for better or worse, IS our biggest ally in the Middle East, and no politician in America can just cut them off and announce completely ending support, like that just can’t happen, and any politician who says otherwise is full of it and doesn’t understand the implications of that.

 

I am absolutely not in support of what Israel is doing and I think it’s horrific, and I do wish America would focus on its own problems and issues, but ending a decades long alliance would do more harm than good. 
 

It is wild to me that you have Trump saying he wants Israel to level Palestine and has actively been in talks with the Israel government (even having them at his private residence) to stop any kind of peace deals, and Kamala doing everything she can as both the sitting vice president and current candidate to show that she does support the Palestinian people, and say they’re 99.9% the same. 
 

That is dangerous thinking and quite honestly it’s very privileged thinking. 

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42 minutes ago, NikoGo said:

Well you have Kamala who is far from perfect but has been very vocal about a ceasefire and wanting a two state solution and didn’t participate when Israel’s leader visited. 
 

or you have trump who is actively working against a ceasefire and wants to completely and totally level Palestine*

 

 

I really don’t understand how people think there is no difference. 

 

Most Palestinians I know don't support a two state solution any more. They support a Palestinian state. (Personally, I support a single state solution as long as said state is atheistic, multiethnic, and democratic: in other words, a state that won't displace anyone that's there already if they have nowhere else to go.  I know there are groups that support that but I, admittedly, don't know their impact in the Palestinian liberation movement)

 

13 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

I hate to be dramatic but sitting up on your high horse and choosing not to vote is not the dignified action you think it is. Elections have consequences and if you might think a Trump presidency might not affect you personally doesn’t mean the people around you won’t suffer.

 

A Trump presidency would harm me but a Kamala presidency would harm others (and me, if people like Colin Allred are the rule and not the exception). There doesn't seem to be a choice that doesn't harm anyone. (A Trump vote is the only vote I can think of that would harm everyone, Trump simps included. I wish Dr. West or Claudia de la Cruz had a chance of winning, I'd vote one of them.) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's Cornel West's platform. What do y'all think of it?
 

 

https://www.cornelwest2024.com/platform

[Barry 5,892]

2 minutes ago, NikoGo said:

I hate to say it but if that’s how you feel than your overall perception of what the government is and what the government does is secretly lacking. 
 

Israel, for better or worse, IS our biggest ally in the Middle East, and no politician in America can just cut them off and announce completely ending support, like that just can’t happen, and any politician who says otherwise is full of it and doesn’t understand the implications of that.

 

I am absolutely not in support of what Israel is doing and I think it’s horrific, and I do wish America would focus on its own problems and issues, but ending a decades long alliance would do more harm than good. 
 

It is wild to me that you have Trump saying he wants Israel to level Palestine and has actively been in talks with the Israel government (even having them at his private residence) to stop any kind of peace deals, and Kamala doing everything she can as both the sitting vice president and current candidate to show that she does support the Palestinian people, and say they’re 99.9% the same. 
 

That is dangerous thinking and quite honestly it’s very privileged thinking. 

There is no implications though. America shouldn't have allies in the Middle East, it should never have bothered those countries and if pulling our of Israel gets Israel flattened then thats Israel's own fault, they acted like bullies and they'll take whatever happens to them back, it shouldn't have anything to do with other countries.

America is failing by giving power to someone else to wreak havoc under their protection. It shouldn't be something thats happening.

To me thinking isn't dangerous, acting is dangerous and people are acting and people who are supposed to be doing certain jobs  aren't doing anything.

[Mer 61,008]

This narrative that if “America never got involved” in other places the world be utopic is so beyond silly. If the US didn’t get involved, Russia or China would—and I’m not gonna sit here and debate all day whether that would’ve been good or bad. Take a poli sci class. 

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1 minute ago, Barry said:

There is no implications though. America shouldn't have allies in the Middle East, it should never have bothered those countries and if pulling our of Israel gets Israel flattened then thats Israel's own fault, they acted like bullies and they'll take whatever happens to them back, it shouldn't have anything to do with other countries.

America is failing by giving power to someone else to wreak havoc under their protection. It shouldn't be something thats happening.

To me thinking isn't dangerous, acting is dangerous and people are acting and people who are supposed to be doing certain jobs  aren't doing anything.

I’m sorry, but what the fuck? You do realize there is also innocent people living in Israel who don’t agree with what their government is doing, right? I’m not an Israel sympathizer but this take is just flat out insane

[Barry 5,892]

1 minute ago, Mer said:

This narrative that if “America never got involved” in other places in the world be utopic is so beyond silly. If the US didn’t get involved, Russia or China would—and I’m not gonna sit here and debate all day whether that would’ve been good or bad. Take a poli sci class. 

Im not saying they shouldn't get involved in anything, they should if they are doing the right thing and others aren't. They shouldn't support people doing what Israel is doing though.

If someone in your street votes for the same politicians as you you wouldn't let them kill children because at least they don't like those other politicians we don't like. You wouldn't give them money and weapons and then be like "yeah they should stop that but they have such a nice house and they let my kids play with theirs in the garden though".

3 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

I’m sorry, but what the fuck? You do realize there is also innocent people living in Israel who don’t agree with what their government is doing, right? I’m not an Israel sympathizer but this take is just flat out insane

They vote for their government, if they don't agree they should try and put a stop to it - how many decades have they had? at some point they've not done enough.

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1 minute ago, Barry said:

They vote for their government, if they don't agree they should try and put a stop to it - how many decades have they had? at some point they've not done enough.

you know why Palestine has refused to have an election in decades? Because Hamas would win—and this same argument you’re using against Israel would work against Palestine as well. This is a deeply, deeply complex issue—and not one that is as simple as “Israel bad, Palestine angel”. There is definitely a power imbalance favoring Israel currently, and a ceasefire is the best outcome for everyone—but this is not a black and white issue. 

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we should have a political book recommendation thread...

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12 minutes ago, Barry said:

They vote for their government, if they don't agree they should try and put a stop to it - how many decades have they had? at some point they've not done enough.

Didn’t you also just say that you choose not to participate because nothing will change anyway? Why do you give yourself this cop out but not to the people actually being affected by the war?  

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Everyone is wrong except for me 

[baddisease 17,616]

I've been reading the various manifestos of Palestinian revolutionary groups, on top of listening to my Palestinian friends. I hope that that's sufficient when talking about the Palestinian situation.

[Barry 5,892]

12 minutes ago, Mer said:

you know why Palestine has refused to have an election in decades? Because Hamas would win—and this same argument you’re using against Israel would work against Palestine as well. This is a deeply, deeply complex issue—and not one that is as simple as “Israel bad, Palestine angel”. There is definitely a power imbalance favoring Israel currently, and a ceasefire is the best outcome for everyone—but this is not a black and white issue. 

 

It isnt and will be difficult to resolve but that the job of Governments, they should have many plans in place and be in talks about how to stop it.

The least they can do is cut ties and defund Israel for being totally out of control, leave them on their own at that point.

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a lot of you guys have dents in your heads 😭😭

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6 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

Didn’t you also just say that you choose not to participate because nothing will change anyway? Why do you give yourself this cop out but not to the people actually being affected by the war?  

It's not a cop out, I don't like them, trust them or believe them and I won't vote for people I know wouldn't do anything I want them to do so I don't do it.

I wouldn't live there or take part in what they do.

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1 hour ago, baddisease said:

I've been reading the various manifestos of Palestinian revolutionary groups

 

 

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