THE ELECTION 2K16

[analwinterofmylife 2,644]

Are you illegally in America? Because as far as history goes, you're only supposed to be living in America if you've done it legally. He's trying to control the illegal aliens. He doesn't care if you're a legal immigrant. The reason why he's trying to do more vetting is because we can't trust people from a country that doesn't hold records for everyone there. It's not about Muslims, it's about the country of Syria and their people as a whole. Not the Muslim religion, my step mom is Muslim and my dad is converting to Islam. 

 

If this doesn't make any sense to you guys, then... maybe you should rethink the way this country should be run because this should be common sense. No, we shouldn't have illegal aliens in America. It should be easier to immigrate to America and this'll probably make it harder, but we can't just be a doormat like we've been for 20 years.

 

how can people come here legally if its too difficult in the first place? 

also he basically admits he doesnt want them here because theyre muslim.. and he doesnt want illegal immigrants here because theyre rapists, criminals, etc.. either that or he goes with the "theyre taking our jobs and getting benefits without paying taxes" narrative.. which in fact isn't true, considering that they get jobs because bosses decide they would rather pay an illegal shit than hire an american worker.. illegals pay sales tax .. in fact a case can be made that illegals pay more taxes than trump himself

 

should anyone be able to come here with no documents or anything? no.. obviously there should be a comprehensive and functioning system in place that protects our country, as well as gives foreigners and those trying to escape from oppressive situations a way to get here, get involved in contributing to our economy, and society.

[Homogenic 1,148]

Ohio Hunties! The polls are open till 7:30, so if you haven't already, go vote!!!!

[HoneymoonSwan 3,106]

Are you illegally in America? Because as far as history goes, you're only supposed to be living in America if you've done it legally. He's trying to control the illegal aliens. He doesn't care if you're a legal immigrant. The reason why he's trying to do more vetting is because we can't trust people from a country that doesn't hold records for everyone there. It's not about Muslims, it's about the country of Syria and their people as a whole. Not the Muslim religion, my step mom is Muslim and my dad is converting to Islam. 

 

If this doesn't make any sense to you guys, then... maybe you should rethink the way this country should be run because this should be common sense. No, we shouldn't have illegal aliens in America. It should be easier to immigrate to America and this'll probably make it harder, but we can't just be a doormat like we've been for 20 years.

I respect that but, you aren't proving the point for the members of the LGBT community or the (VERY LEGAL) Native Americans... also you can't forget the whole group of BLM Movement. 

 

It's not just because they are coming here illegally, it's also a problem just being a Muslim. You're instantly a target for being a terrorist the moment you see a headdress. My family is so racist, and homophobic, that I couldn't even be openly friendly with a Muslim or African American in front of them. My whole family voted for Trump, and literally told me they would disown me if I openly supported Hillary. It's got out of hand at this point, and Trump is showing that it's so easy for the Heterosexual Christian Caucasians to attack the people who aren't what they are. 

 

Once again I respect your vote, but you aren't really being logical here. You don't know how at risk these people are with every vote Trump gets. 

[wraith 7,277]

The reason we are in a mess is, in watered down terms, that people need to mind their own business. The government and the public are getting in on everyone's lives.  If a man wants to get married to a man, LET THEM  (as long as it is of legal and consent) if someone wants to get an abortion, carry a gun, or do weed let them (again, as long as it is of legal and safe terms), worry about paying YOUR bills and raising YOUR children and YOUR life.  The government needs to stop intervening on peoples lives and stop re-inventing the wheel on everything.

 

And I find it hypocritical that we have may people saying "I dont care about politics but we need to stop trump bc of progress and.." EHHH EH EH i stopped reading at "I dont care about politics". Dont tell me that you come out of the woodwork every 4 years to tell people who to vote for when you give a shit about what is going on in politics nor cant name the first president.  It is not to say that you are not allowed to have or voice your opinion, but don't act like you hold a Ph. D.  on a topic that you give a rats ass about and tell people what is the correct side.

 

So true! Also people can do what they want but if you only care about the candidates and their policies up until they are elected and not after, then what was the point in your vote? People always complain saying "oh it doesn't matter, they all lie! they are all the same! they don't make any change!" Of course they won't if you let them walk all over you?

You need to pressure them to make sure they stand by what they promised and hold them to it.

[Wynwood 19,967]

Are you illegally in America? Because as far as history goes, you're only supposed to be living in America if you've done it legally. He's trying to control the illegal aliens. He doesn't care if you're a legal immigrant. The reason why he's trying to do more vetting is because we can't trust people from a country that doesn't hold records for everyone there. It's not about Muslims, it's about the country of Syria and their people as a whole. Not the Muslim religion, my step mom is Muslim and my dad is converting to Islam. 

 

If this doesn't make any sense to you guys, then... maybe you should rethink the way this country should be run because this should be common sense. No, we shouldn't have illegal aliens in America. It should be easier to immigrate to America and this'll probably make it harder, but we can't just be a doormat like we've been for 20 years.

yes i am legal in america, not that its any of your business, and I voted for hillary. were you completely gone or on another planet when he completely generalized ALL MEXICANS as rapists and criminals? where were you when he generalized ALL MUSLIMS as terrorists? where were you when on the news there would be reports of PEOPLE OF COLOR being beat up and thrown out of trump rallies even if they supported trump. where were you when he mocked the DISABLED reporter? where were you when women who said trump RAPED THEM finally stood up?

 

why are you only bringing up the point of illegal immigration? i gave many other points... i guess this is the only you are able to argue. do you think its fair to call someone (a person/someone who has a life and people they love and dreams that they wish to fulfill) an illegal when you could simply call them "Undocumented". the way you talk is clearly full of hate for them if you dont have the decency to respect people and call them undocumented. 

 

men, women, KIDS risk their lives to come to america because america advertises the 'American Dream' and only to find out that if they do come here theyre in a world of pain

 

its pretty clear now, with your tone and your points, that youre a trump supporter

 

you are disgusting

[TRENCH 15,450]

If this doesn't make any sense to you guys, then... maybe you should rethink the way this country should be run because this should be common sense. No, we shouldn't have illegal aliens in America. It should be easier to immigrate to America and this'll probably make it harder, but we can't just be a doormat like we've been for 20 years.

give them temporary visas while they apply for citizenship

 

WOW i just solved immigration, vote for me 2035 tnkz xoxo

[Melania 2,386]

in an hour the first results will come in.. i don't think i can handle it y'all.

[analwinterofmylife 2,644]

yes i am legal in america, not that its any of your business, and I voted for hillary. were you completely gone or on another planet when he completely generalized ALL MEXICANS as rapists and criminals? where were you when he generalized ALL MUSLIMS as terrorists? where were you when on the news there would be reports of PEOPLE OF COLOR being beat up and thrown out of trump rallies even if they supported trump. where were you when he mocked the DISABLED reporter?

 

why are you only bringing up the point of illegal immigration? i gave many other points... i guess this is the only you are able to argue. do you think its fair to call someone (a person/someone who has a life and people they love and dreams that they wish to fulfill) an illegal when you could simply call them "Undocumented". the way you talk is clearly full of hate for them if you dont have the decency to respect people and call them undocumented. 

 

men, women, KIDS risk their lives to come to america because america advertises the 'American Dream' and only to find out that if they do come here theyre in a world of pain

 

its pretty clear now, with your tone and your points, that youre a trump supporter

 

you are disgusting

 

Ntm most of the people who support him COMPLETELY buy into the fact that all Mexicans are horrible all muslims are terrorists and all ppl from the Middle East hate America.  Most trump supporters believe obama is probably a muslim. Like trump supporters' world view isn't based on a balanced picture of reality 

[SlowGinFizzzz 15,354]

Donald Trump is the single biggest danger to the entire world, since Jörg Haider won in Austria, but thankfully the world got lucky there.

I was not mentally prepared to read the name of this ****** on LB.     

 

 

The sad thing is that even after Hitler and Haider, Austria still doesn't seem to have learned anything from the past, with Norbert Hofer possibly becoming our President and his far-right party FPÖ leading the polls for the upcoming National Council election. 

 

 

[Danube 89]

2) He has women of different races in management positions and they're paid higher than the men in the same positions

How the hell does this make up for countless sexist actions of trump. "I have black friends so I can't be racist" teas. This is like saying "Hitler can't be racist because there were non-white soldiers in the wehrmacht"--one small thing doesn't counteract innumerable other instances of racism. Just because there happens to be one thing that doesn't paint Trump as a massive sexist doesn't nullify all the other disgusting things he's done. Here is a list (with sources) of some of the sexism exhibited by Trump and it doesn't even include the more recent scandals like pussygate.

 

3) I can't trust someone who has a foundation but uses the money that people have DONATED for her daughter's wedding....

So are you just going to ignore the issues with Trump's own foundation?? A foundation that Trump used to buy massive paintings of himself, paid a quarter of a million dollars of legal fees with, has donated virtually nothing to in recent years. Don't come for the Clinton foundation when it is ranked "A" by charity watch.

 

4) I hate this Washington Establishment that we've been under control of for the past 20-30 years

Gotta love how a (dubious) billionaire has managed to convince millions that he is somehow not part of the establishment. Pro-tip: you don't become as wealthy as trump without becoming a part of the establishment.

 

 

5) Trump is a business man who knows how to handle money. He's been doing it for years and years.

Trump is a business man who has went bankrupt several times and relies heavily on foreign investment (saudi, russia, china, etc.) to stay afloat. A business man who has run his casino business into the ground and has lost so much money that he likely has not been paying income taxes on his earnings. What's more, other bonafide millionaires like Warren Buffet, Mark Cuban etc. have come out and said what a load of crap Donald's boasts about wealth are. His own damn book on negotiating was written by a ghost writer!

 

I could on and on about the rest of the drivel you posted but I'm not spending all night on this. The truth, is even if you knew all of your points were false, you would still have voted for Trump no matter what. These so called "reasons" are probably just a smokescreen for the real reasons you voted trump (reasons that are much uglier). Otherwise you've bought into the ceaseless campaign by certain members of the right wing to discredit Clinton and mislead voters. I still don't understand how anyone with a brain can listen to Trump incoherently ramble in speeches/debates and think "this is someone who I could vote for." The fact that Trump got this far is an embarrassment.

[Elle 121,408]

I haven't had time to read through this thread, but some people have notified me that there may be some drama in the thread. Remember - be nice, kind, respectful.. I feel like I have to ask this too much!! I really don't want to have to lock this thread since the election is so important.

Healthy disagreements are encouraged, but please be respectful towards other's opinions!!

[luckyonewithoutyou 1,929]

I knew this would be a mess

 

Please be nice to each other. In the overall picture, none of your opinions matter to anyone else and 99% of the time will not cause people to shift their own opinions so there's no point in arguing.

[HoneymoonSwan 3,106]

I haven't had time to read through this thread, but some people have notified me that there may be some drama in the thread. Remember - be nice, kind, respectful.. I feel like I have to ask this too much!! I really don't want to have to lock this thread since the election is so important.

Healthy disagreements are encouraged, but please be respectful towards other's opinions!!

^

[Wynwood 19,967]

How the hell does this make up for countless sexist actions of trump. "I have black friends so I can't be racist" teas. This is like saying "Hitler can't be racist because there were non-white soldiers in the wehrmacht"--one small thing doesn't counteract innumerable other instances of racism. Just because there happens to be one thing that doesn't paint Trump as a massive sexist doesn't nullify all the other disgusting things he's done. Here is a list (with sources) of some of the sexism exhibited by Trump and it doesn't even include the more recent scandals like pussygate.

So are you just going to ignore the issues with Trump's own foundation?? A foundation that Trump used to buy massive paintings of himself, paid a quarter of a million dollars of legal fees with, has donated virtually nothing to in recent years. Don't come for the Clinton foundation when it is ranked "A" by charity watch.

Gotta love how a (dubious) billionaire has managed to convince millions that he is somehow not part of the establishment. Pro-tip: you don't become as wealthy as trump without becoming a part of the establishment.

 

Trump is a business man who has went bankrupt several times and relies heavily on foreign investment (saudi, russia, china, etc.) to stay afloat. A business man who has run his casino business into the ground and has lost so much money that he likely has not been paying income taxes on his earnings. What's more, other bonafide millionaires like Warren Buffet, Mark Cuban etc. have come out and said what a load of crap Donald's boasts about wealth are. His own damn book on negotiating was written by a ghost writer!

 

I could on and on about the rest of the drivel you posted but I'm not spending all night on this. The truth, is even if you knew all of your points were false, you would still have voted for Trump no matter what. These so called "reasons" are probably just a smokescreen for the real reasons you voted trump (reasons that are much uglier). Otherwise you've bought into the ceaseless campaign by certain members of the right wing to discredit Clinton and mislead voters. I still don't understand how anyone with a brain can listen to Trump incoherently ramble in speeches/debates and think "this is someone who I could vote for." The fact that Trump got this far is an embarrassment.

 

at least my vote for hillary cancelled out Jokers vote for trump

[Melania 2,386]

trump is leading new hampshire.. i'm going to kill myself

[missdelreyxo 3,786]

everyone's opinions count and are valid!!!! but don't insult eachother! it never works out that way trust me i would know lol

[reputation 6,321]

Lmao

[Wynwood 19,967]

"her views on healthcare are bad, she supported obamacare"

 

cause thats so much worse than discrimination and affecting actual human lives

[PARADIXO 32,943]

I've been so nervous this whole week over this I'm not even American (luckily)

[reputation 6,321]

You guys do know that most of the Senate and Congress are Republican and rarely pass laws, right? We should worry more about our state representatives than some American figures. Both Trump and Hillary' ideas won't get passed by the Senate or Congress. Even voting on gay marriage and the confederation flag was a close tie. The President can't even vote on abortion becuase it was deicdded that's a state issue. Y'all all scared over our president because y'all don't even know what she or he can do.