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I'm a little perplexed that Jimmy Gnecco's openning for LDR's US tour (apparently the first show is tonite) has not made the news section yet. I can't help but think that's related to your question of why he or the band OURS is not way more famous. OURS sounds different than Gnecco alone, but they both sound very striking (I've been sampling on youtube and spotify). The quality of the songs are good, although the variety of styles is not as impressive, though I still don't know a lot of their work yet. As you point out, Gnecco's voice is extremely impressive compared to other successful and established male artists (e.g., at least as good as Timberlake or Mars, though not similar to them). So why is he not as popular as them or let's say Ed Sheeran who might be more comparable on superficial dimensions? The type of emotion expressed by Gnecco is a bit more intense than people can take as casually consumed music would be the obvious guess.

I started getting into him when LDR said something about making a point to know everything he put out (I think this was a recorded interview). I wasn't aware she'd actually singled out a favorite album. Any clues on where the interview can be found? Dylan is an interesting singer to compare to LDR, in that a lot of people laugh at his singing technique (even his younger voice). It's an acquired taste, but I see why a lot of people love him. I like the way Dylan often has a different sound on each album (e.g., Time Out of Mind, Street Legal), possibly on the basis of what musicians he finds at the time, idk. I like that he's experimental and takes risks, even while he has a clear reverence for (and desire to keep producing in) a folk-singing heritage.

The youtube video (both LDRVevo and her more personal channel) still says "official audio" on West Coast, so why all the versioning talk? If LDR changes her mind later, then we have [more] evidence that she changes her mind a lot, I guess. Looking forward to the video. It will tell us if she "phoned in" the effort or put substantial thought in it. Hopefully, it's as unwatchable as UV is unlistenable.

Spotify version is the same as original to my ears. Seems like an itunes perversion, if they changed the mixing, but the standard is going to be whatever is on the album.

My take on the overrated/underrated thing is that something is overrated if there are other *similar* things equally or more deserving of praise that don't get it, and of course those similar things are what's underrated. So imo opinion everything LDR's ever released (with the exception of AKA which I'm not sure how to categorize release-wise) is overrated in comparison to her unreleased/leaks. I'm not saying her unreleased is better, just similar in quality (in terms of composition, not production). Most of this thread is just what you like or don't like, which is fine but I don't get a sense for why something is overrated. It makes more sense to have comparison cases like Disco to Chelsea Hotel #2 (different artists compared here), or maybe it's Disco to I am a God (Kanye West). Video Games to Fordham Road?

On her being "non-promoted": I think her label doesn't wish to disturb her creativity-driven mode of self-promotion (videos, movie work, modeling). No one can describe her as being idle during the period between release of BTD and now. On her being considered "mainstream" (hopefully she doesn't become mainstream), this will allow for a more diverse mainstream. So if UV is different from BTD and sells as much as BTD, she'll be "huge" in the sense which says the promotion was irrelevant. IMO, this would make it easier for anyone off the beaten track (but still good) to succeed commercially.

Barrie also released something today "an old new song" according to his twitter and facebook. Might he release an album to coincide with Ultraviolence? Hope so. More is more.

If she releases Ultraviolence the album earlier or at the same time as West Coast the single then I don't think it's a stupid marketing decision to release the single May 18, just a pragmatic one, but I never understood the logic of releasing singles before the album, tbh. On the other hand no Ultraviolence till well after the West Coast release as a single wouldn't make sense to me. The song is interesting as a departure for her (one wonders how many departures she has). It's not a bad song, but doesn't exceed the best of her leaks for me. There's an intentional retro vibe a la Summer Wine and possibly the Doors (a la the familiar snythetic moog-flute like sound at the end). The vocal arrangements are good. How it fits with the whole of the UV sound is the next mystery to be revealed.

The complete list of nominees is here: http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Billboard-Music-Awards-2014:-Full-list-of-nominees/9497557 For those scratching their heads about Lorde and LDR being classed as "rock", there's no Best Pop Record category so I think they use "rock" to mean "pop". Also Artpop is nominated in the Dance/Electronic category. On the planet Vulcan, popular just means "listened to by a lot of people", wish it were the same here, but one has to come up with a more consistent labeling system to distinguish artist like Britney from artists like Queens of the Stone Age. LDR's nomination is very token (only one), so I'd be surprised if she showed up at these awards (given her Grammy's no show).

according to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Music_Award "Unlike other awards, such as the Grammy Award, which determine nominations as a result of the highest votes received, the Billboard Music Awards finalists are based on United States year-end chart performance according to Nielsen data for sales, number of downloads and total airplay." So it seems that the result is already determined if the "as of date" is in the past. I'm kind of confused as to what being nominated means other that something like top 5 in popularity.

Just at billboard.com and BTD is still charting at 80. So I guess the logic goes, hey it's 2014 and BTD is still charting so we can nominate it. What's going to be the voting process for who wins? Anyone know?

^ Well he recently left word he's recording it! https://www.facebook.com/nightmareboybjo

I've always thought of Ride as a really good (and different) country song. Interscope missed an opportunity by not trying to nominate it for best country song. Anyway to make the post more relevant, I wonder if she'll have more of a country feel to this one. Then again, I think of Making Out (non-autotuned vers) as a really good (and different) country song, so maybe my opinion is just a bit whacked.

It's still a little selfish, but a good compromise on the "her album should be all new" vs. "her album should finish producing some leaks or do some remakes" is to just consider *anything* after 40 mins of unfamiliar material to be a much cherished gift. Also the idea of being "old" music is completely relative. I bet a lot of people right now don't know her leaked stuff, and in the future it is guaranteed that there will be people unfamiliar with her (i.e., they haven't been born yet).

Finally did my first "spoiler". And thanks for the answer to my other question below. My question is whether this is a fan compilation or actual early demo album. Does anyone know?

Liked the part about killing Bradley (for a change), but I hope she's still on good terms with Lizzy. BTW, we all know why Kill Kill has the name it does, but does anyone know why she initially wanted to call it 'The Ocean'? Anyway, I like the idea that this may not be about West Coast, as it would indicate she has many irons in the fire.

This is like those "what's your favorite/least favorite song" threads which haven't any consensus. The only way she can please everybody is to do everything, which I hope she continues doing. For me: AKA > BTD==Sirens Period > Paradise, though I think having all the different styles and periods are what makes me appreciate this artist more than others. Paradise (not including Burning Desire) is last because of length, not quality or production. I'd have rather seen a full release (or a more oversized EP) as @@neuf suggested, although Hollywood's Dead, Damn You, Never Let Me Go, and the song Paradise are the possibilities for bulking it up that occurred to me. Paradise doesn't really have a theme (that I can see) other than showcasing LDR's talents, so more variety would have helped. Also as @@neuf suggested, the unreleased/unaligned poses a problem. You could put together possible albums that would compete with her released ones. For instance, she has enough later acoustic-stlye songs for a Sirens-like reboot album, or enough bubble-gum pop songs to do an album of those, and other possibilities as well.

Future Jazz is a style term that I remembered being associated with Bobby Womack whom LDR did a song with. I googled Bobby Womack and future jazz and got this link. http://www.discogs.com/Bobby-Womack-The-Bravest-Man-In-The-Universe/master/445532 I think it's just something that she likes, and I hope it implies lots of jazzy vocals.

Wow Auerbach was really something. However, the eternal ambiguity of saying more out of the box than "her first record", which I'm assuming is BTD rather than AKA (but still remains ambiguous, and similar to LDR saying it made her forget her last record, what? Paradise or BTD?). If it's really a sonic monster (and a completed album), what possible motivation is there for releasing after the tour? It also sounds like her live performance will be affected, as the stuff in UV sounds pre-adapted to live.

My initial interpretation of @ post was a little bit stupid. However, does the akwardness LDR shows when in a cadid with Chuck have anything to do with their choice of shoes (high heels for Chuck)?

I don't know, I don't see anything abnormal about her relationship with either parent. With respect to her (clearly- more-introverted-than-dad) mom. These two interviews have some data. http://www.electronicbeats.net/en/features/interviews/lana-del-rey-interview/ has LDR discussing "Church sex scandals" with her mom. http://lanadelreyonline.com/lana-del-rey-interviewed-by-der-spiegel/ has discussion about LDR promising her mother always to be home at Christmas. Also, generally speaking, when LDR talks about discipline issues as a kid, it's always in the context of her "parents". BTW "My momma" never struck me as being autobiographical. LDR is often loose or revisionist when she talks about herself, even if she said once that her songs were 100% autobiographical on other occasions she's bound to say otherwise. This should work for her as many times as it works against her. BTW-2: Yeah a "Chuck candid" with Chuck in the photo? Hmmh, wouldn't it be more newsworthy for a paparazzi to just note and photograph the fact that Chuck was staging a photo. Rob has also tweeted (at least in my memory and I'm paraphrasing), if you pick your nose in Hollywood expect it to show up on the internet.

Her uses of the concept "National Anthem", while Americana-ish, doesn't show a fixed meaning across songs, imo. Her lyrics, like the visual aspects of her videos, might be re-used for different reasons. I've always taken "National Anthem" (her song) to be her authentically singing about the inauthenticity she was (later) accused of -- when detractors took the song to be about her values (ugh). While I'm sure she's familiar with the lifestyle (at least in her mind), I don't think she was praising the lifestyle. "Mermaid Motel" shows it as a random act of patriotism in a song that is not about patriotism; so I'm guessing it's a minor part of the song. You might also add "Oh Say Can You See" (from AKA) which samples a bit of the "The Star-Spangled Banner" lyric (its first line). Though the two songs share a lot of "star" imagery, LDR's song seems to be about her wanderlust and nocturnal habits.

Bel Air perhaps

Well coming after sentences that say what he wants to do and what he would like to do, the last sentence that supposedly says what he *did* do comes off as très bizarre. Also why not give the name of the producer, if you're going to drop the LDR bomb? Depending on who he said (Auerbach or somebody else) it would have revealed something. But in any case, I hope the collaboration is real and not another Tyler-the-creator-esque type thing, where one or several parties were just confused about what was going on.

This was the link I found (seems to work better): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/rufus-wainwright-crowd-funding_n_5001264.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment It's amazing, I guess, that I have never heard of him, but when I saw that he was working with LDR (even if possibly just a rumor, is Huffington reliable?), I immediately went to youtube to see what's there. After about a half dozen songs (which were all decent for the genre they represent, I think "Going to a Town" was the best, in my very initial opinion). He also bothers to write operas (in the classical sense of the term, I think) which means, even if you despise him, he has very high artistic ambition (or basically really is an artist for art's sake). He is also a standard bearer for "baroque pop", which @@lola defined usefully upstream. He kind of reminds me of Nick Drake (whom I've also only just heard about thru Barrie's cover). I don't think UV is much implicated, but I take it to be weird that he just drops the name (like a bomb) and then doesn't elaborate it.