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Barrie covering Kurt covering Leadbelly covering ??, old folk song: Kurt's version:

There are lots of dramatic orchestral composers one could suggest (e.g., Atterberg, Mahler, Rachmaninov, Shostakovich) but the trick is getting something not too intrusive (so you can study) but good enough to stay awake? That was sort of how I interpreted your request, so these examples struck me as possibly appropriate. Some are famous; some off the beaten track. Phil Glass does movie scores: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG76gIvzUeY There's Karl Jenkins, known for the "Diamonds" commercial, but he writes a lot of other stuff (this is just a random selection): Alla Pavlova writes symphonies cinematically but pastorally. This was just a random selection off of Youtube from stuff available. It's like the one or two CDs I have of her: Maybe Myaskovsky (whom I'm more into). This written just after WWI so he's a little more PTSD than usual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjpf_Gcspok

St. Vincent's new album preview: http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/feb/18/st-vincent-st-vincent-album-stream?CMP=ema_565

This is a serious topic. Just think how much videos like Mark Dice's on Tropico (which @@DeadAgainst shows us) will influence certain types of people. Dice has similar ones on Jay-Z and Miley Cyrus. These seem a bit more "well-reasoned". However, the Tropico video is basically an unsupported rant. Dice focuses on the snake, but how could he possibly miss all the Christian references, including a baptism, in that video? Dice cites corrupting morals and promoting hedonistic, non-Christian lifestyles as the agenda for the illuminati. Promoting (the following of) Satan is a kind of method for achieving the agenda. Unless you believe there is a Satan that gets warm fuzzies from corrupting morals, this is a stupid goal for a shadow organization. There are smart people who think about illuminati-like agendas without Satanism/Symbolism. So for Noam Chomsky, it is the super-rich that constitute a kind of illuminati. He alleges they fund a propaganda war to insure democratic societies don't use their political power to further majority concerns over minority (super rich) ones. When he talks about these agendas, it's backed up by a lot of historical fact. Chomsky lectures are all over Youtube, and on a lot of varied subjects (e.g., foreign policy). He's one of the sharpest, harshest, and best US critics of the US, imo. Here's a snippet from him on zombies and apocalypse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Yd2ZCxcTc This snippet was interesting to me, because he suggests that invectives against a group -- such as Dice's Tropico video and others -- can indicate a dominant group with "the foot on the neck of a less dominant group". Which is to say you only rant against the ones you're really fearful of and think might overthrow you. So Dice is a Ke$haphobe, because he thinks Ke$ha (or LDR or whomever) is trying to program his kids to be sexually promiscuous (or whatever). This is a fair enough concern, but I'd like to see Ke$ha's impact objectively described in terms of actual events, and not just the fear of possible results. For all we know, Ke$ha might be a kind of vacine for sexual promiscuity (i.e., make people more thoughtful about it). Finally, two further issues: 1) I doubt Lana belongs to any illuminati; however, I always thought the reaction to her Born To Die "debut" in the US critics community indicated the presence of a lesser illuminati group (focused on entertainment). She obviously didn't belong to it as they were trying to make her unfamous, and it seemed clear she hit some kind of a nerve. 2) I do not believe in reptile people.

^ Sort of looks like LDR trapped in the "phantom zone". Also aren't triangles one of those symbols illuminati-exposé people are fond of?

^ I know he did it to showcase his own work, but a part of me hopes he also did it to show Lana how easy it was to do. Then again, he's probably not represented by a label, and so he might just have the freedom to do this, though he would need Black Sabbath's approval?

For Paris she musically quotes Debussy Clair De Lune (in the beginning and end of Paris). Where does "girls just wanna, just wanna have fun" come from?

I love the way LDR gig announcements can hype Ultraviolence (and LDR). For example, if I were LDR, I would frame this: http://www.state.ie/news/bob-dylan-lana-del-rey-and-elvis-costello-irish-shows I would have described LDR as "odd man out" rather than "wannabe" (because I like the irony), although maybe wannabe isn't fully a diss (or is actually complimentary) in this context. I love her name being used in the context of these others and her bad-ass-stare picture (an interesting one to use as it sort of channels Godzilla for me). As for LDR, herself, "hyping" Ultraviolence: it seems important to me that even though she says it's "good", she mainly focuses on how it makes her feel (e.g., likes or is satisfied with it). This doesn't (strongly) imply that she thinks everybody else will like it (or that she even cares much about that). Whatever, her confidence now is a nice contrast to her confidence back then, when she wasn't even sure she had anything left to say after BTD.

The important thing about the leaks/unreleased, for me, is that they are an interesting trajectory/history for an artist I care about. So the songs are more like keepsakes than songs I've consumed like bubble gum. Doing both new releases along with retrospective (multi-volume) leak releases would be a best-case scenario for me. I would also be quite happy if LDR brought out the May/Lizzy personas from time to time. Wouldn't you like to see Fordham Road or Go Go Dancer performed live? I don't think it diminishes LDR's current musical style to show off past styles.

Whoops, I was focused in on contestants. So we can infer Keith Urban is not an inveterate watcher of the series then?

It was interesting that somebody finally sang Video Games on American Idol (Hollywood trials), but then Keith Urban's comments afterward just blew me away. Listen carefully at the very end ("Gosh I like that song, don't know that song, gonna download it now" I saw this on my DVR too). Not sure whether he had a serious case of "living under a rock", or was just (sarcastically?) stanning for LDR. Anyone know whether he's said nice things about LDR before? Or maybe it's part of a buttering up plot by American Idol (who uploaded the video) to get her to perform some Ultraviolence there. Sorry about the commercial you'll have to sit through. Trust no one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wxCAJRgNvY&feature=youtu.be&t=0m54s Dang, go to 54 seconds into it

Yup, here's the link for continuity: http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/1993-barries-band/ But if I'm going to post new info (like the live youtube performances w/o Barrie) it seems less dissful and more accurate to do it in a new thread.

A search of 'Kassidy'-- this forum-- turns up empty as a topic. So I'm taking up @@lola @@Rafael suggestions for an independent Kassidy thread here (see 'Barrie's Band' <--- 'Lana Thoughts', which I guess could also be moved here as a separate thread and then perhaps locked? Or just locked? Just an idea.). Anyway, New Kassidy? I haven't found these songs on (2) past albums so they may be new (or covers?). Anyone know? Very different sound and possibly direction. Vocals might need some work but some decent songs. 8/31/13 quite the funkmeister here: channelling queen here: 7/9/13 high octane: Also do old songs (Stray Cat): Old Kassidy: pre-paradise: 2011 (video games with demo instrumental stem?): 2012 (part 1 and part 2 best I've found for an intro to old Kassidy): 2013: paradise tour: Hanging out with LDR would have been reason enough for me, but perhaps the 'artistic differences' reason also has some validity. Though it's a pity to lose the quitar-quartet form, as it seems rare. Does anyone know of any others in pop (which I take to include rock, folk, jazz,..) that are like that?

^ No expertise on this, but how have people ruled out more mundane explanations for LDR's lips? such as:

He seems to be saying he could go back, because they parted amicably. Kassidyuk have never tweeted anything (that I know of) unsupportive of his decision. Barrie also makes a point of saying that the decision to leave is *prior* to the Paradise tour (about 3:41, though I can't make out all the words, presumably he told Kassidy at that time, otherwise I don't see how the parting could be amicable). He seems to take special effort not to talk about LDR other than to establish a time frame for his decision. His talk about his own future work could have been stronger and less morose ("lurking in the shadows of madness"). The possibilities are: he may not know, or he may not want to wreck a surprise.

One of the more minor LDR enigmas (for me) is why she didn't fully cover Big Spender either before or after Smiler's use of her quoting it (or -- gasp -- are there rumors she actually did cover the full song?). Other than Shirley Bassey, Peggy Lee and Chaka Kahn also covered it. Freddy Mercury on Youtube does some of it. It's a powerhouse diva song, and it sounds like she's really nails her part (or is it just autotune?). So I've always thought her releasing a full version of Big Spender would have gone a far ways in promoting her as a singer.

'Girl in a Coma' have opened for Morrissey twice and recently got on Spotify, so they're not unknown, but whenever I listen to their (3) albums, I always think they should be a lot bigger than they are. I have a super infatuation with Nina Diaz's voice (and her look as well). This song is fairly representative of the band's writing skill. studio "control": live "control": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_in_a_Coma

Ran across this on @LanaDReyOnline (twitter). Looks like LDR thanked theGrammys about 6hrs ago, but as it doesn't show up on LDR's twitter as a tweet, so she did it as a DM? I won't believe she got a grammy til she does a selfie with it. BTW, who one best remix classical? LOL? https://twitter.com/LanaDelRey/status/428840552851709953

Doesn't For K, pt. 2 on ... AKA Lizzy Grant support the idea that For K, pt. 1 is a real title (or real title change)? I haven't heard the non-overlapping content, but would those who have say the songs left out of Sirens were relatively weaker? Just treating everything as historical events and leaving everything alone within its respective event (option 3), at least preserves info so it can be revisited later. It's also the least painful. People must have DM'd LDR before on this, so I would assume a history of not responding on this topic on her part? I'm hoping "May Jailer.... Sirens" is a real title (not fan created) as it seems very LDR to me (i.e., the colliding worlds idea on the double meaning of Sirens, with "Jailer" at least having a relation to the cop meaning of sirens).

She should really tweet the Surgeon General's warning about smoking just to offset the number of candids of her smoking, LOL. Just an idea. I agree she looks sexy (and angry) AF. Ah well ... in my preferred parallel universe she attended the grammys in the outfit of @@radiodasirius signature block (disney T-shirt, backwards ball cap -- she would've had a good reason to wear all of it). As my posts tend to be educational: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2503 But seriously, I hope the smoking thing for LDR never becomes serious.

Not a joke, but error-prone. I think I remember Imagine Dragons saying on the red carpet it would be a "travesty" if they won over their competition (so they didn't have to write a victory speech). I've got to watch the thing on DVR to see what they said.

LDR had a shit-ton amount of stuff to talk about had somebody actually stopped her on the red carpet, and she wouldn't have had to worry about looking nice (of course). So like many others, I was disappointed when she didn't show. While I respect her introversion, the clearest way to show you "don't care" about an awards ceremony is to show up and actually not care (e.g., promote oneself, enjoy the show, observe the competition). As it is, it's sort of ambiguous. Maybe she really does care? I doubt anybody's surprised LDR didn't win best pop vocal album. Bruno winning pop album still sends a clear message that she (and Lorde) were nominated because their work is respected enough to be nominated. Adele winning for skyfall (again) also sends a message (nothing succeeds like success, perhaps?). I'm still wrapping my head around what the remix win means, or how LDR views it. I'm disappointed the Grammy voting population didn't award LDR more directly on her work. However, it's well known that the Grammys are not very good at awarding for talent or impact of a musical artist. I think of the Grammy "Lifetime achievment" award as a retroactive correction for this (as they do too). You can explore past winners of Grammys at: http://www.grammy.com/nominees/search?artist=Jewel&field_nominee_work_value=&year=All&genre=All So try "David Bowie" "Led Zeppelin" "David Byrne" "Talking Heads" "Elvis Costello" "Depeche Mode" "Roxy Music" see what pops up (it doesn't have the 2014 results yet). Does what they win for (when they win anything at all) actually reflect the merit of their work?

Bummer, of course. But on the upside no distractions for Ultraviolence (like live performances in front of several hundred million people). If LDR persists in her cinematic ambitions, whatever they are, she'll get there (but hopefully she'll stay a rocker). BTW, DelReyLane (on twitter) https://twitter.com/DelReyLane retweets keith_caulfield on an interesting theory for why no song from the Great Gatsby got a nomination.

@@mauve says "Basically, any unreleased song that strikes me as something negative at any time is likely to become a firm favourite" What I think you are saying is that LDR is stretching your appreciation of what pop music can be. That is, you don't (too much) cite the fact that you think that the odd songs are cliche (as in a bunch of pop stars do stuff like that). In my case, I remember first hearing "Stoplite Delite" and thinking "oh man, the youtube blocker got to it first", and then she started singing to the bizarre instruments, and I thought "oh no, what the heck is this". But when I experienced the song and finally understood the quality of its parts (over multiple listens), I think it's one of her great songs (i.e., should be on a "leaked sessions" vol. x cd). I guess I had a similar experience with "Delicious", "Je Moi joue (?)" "Axl Rose Husband", which are completely different songs. Sirens (album -1, where ... AKA Lizzy Grant is album 0) is another interesting case. A lot of LDR fans might not like it (still, but I wonder if they listen to it multiple times), but a lot of others (like myself) have grown to love it. here's another quote: @@mauve "if some pop person like Selena Gomez came up with a song like Noir, I would absolutely preach hate against it xD No just kidding, but I really wouldn't like it." I don't know S.G.'s work, but assuming you don't like that, I think what you would actually say is "I don't like S.G., except for this one song...". Or if S.G. could have created Noir, maybe you would like S.G. (i.e., the rest of her songs would have been different too). BTW PJ Harvey, Chelsea Wolfe, or Fiona Apple might have written a song like Noir, but they wouldn't have written a song like Big Bad Wolf, or Without You. So maybe it's the range of LDR's personality you like (the range of her musical style) and not her exposed personality while singing (which I think is fine). I can't speak for you, but that's the case for me.

Wonderful thread. I'll be overlapping with others, but it seems important that if one were actually asking LDR questions (and conceive of her actually answering) exact wording would be important. BTW, I think she'd walk from an interview with questions like these, but I don't think that automatically makes them bad questions. I attempted to thematically cluster questions. Anyway, this is stuff I wonder about. 1) What do you think of your leaks/unreleased? What proportion do you consider "throwaways" and what proportion album worthy? What are your ultimate plans for the leaks/unreleased? Do you think the leaks/unreleased ultimately help or hurt you and why? 2) What's the motivation for keeping AKA Lizzy Grant unreleased? What about Sirens? Why was there never a Princess-Superstar-produced EP? How important is meeting the expectations of a fanbase for releasing music? What weight does the record label have in making these decisions? 3) Can you still sing as high as you did on Pretty Baby (on Sirens)? I chose that particular song, as it's debatable you got all the notes as intended (though maybe that was just the way you intended to sing it). How would you sound on that song now? Better or worse? Would you ever play guitar again as you sing? Are you getting better at guitar? 4) Any collaborations with Barrie in the future? Does the label encourage or discourage this? Do you jam (guitarwise) with Barrie as much as you date (and other relationshipy things)? What's Barrie's opinion of your leaks/unrealsed both in terms of their quality and what you should do about them? 5) What's wrong with the music industry? What's right with it? What do you see as your role in it? 300 years from now, what LIVING pop/rock/other stars do you think will be remembered? Same question but now consider the dead stars. 6) You made the Saturday Night Live HD Vevo performances private (I'm assuming) but you did this only after surpassing any other SNL youtube performance in viewcounts at the time (I guess this is true, I think Lady Gaga was the record holder at the time). As at least as many people liked your SNL performances as not (I think the split was close to 60/40 in favor on the likes/dislikes), why did you do this? Do you have significant influence on what stays up or goes away on Youtube with respect to your leaks/unreleased presented there?