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Omg I think about this all the time. It’s seriously uncanny and I’m shocked at how no credit was given.

Omg. Adding Guns and Roses (Early 2013 Demo) to the list of unheard songs I need to hear. Thank you for all your work to compile this timeline of UV era songs btw! <3

Lana and Blake did Cruel World and Pretty When You Cry first at Electric Lady Studios in December 2013, and then Dan Auerbach revamped Cruel World in January 2014! PWYC as it is on Ultraviolence is still the one with Blake. The first Beautiful People demo was recorded on July 30, 2014, so post-Ultraviolence.

Amazingggg! I think for Guns and Roses, even though we know Blake and Lee Foster worked on it at Electric Lady Studios in December 2013/January 2014, it is possible they kept the vocals from an earlier session (especially since they did that for several other songs on UV). I’d speculate that maybe some vocals (if recorded) from the January 27, 2013 session—where we can see G&R lyrics on her notepad—were kept in the final version. Edit: We also know that Hollywood was recorded by summer 2012 along with several other outtakes and tracks that ended up on Paradise, but the production was revamped in 2013.

The Ultraviolence demo is from 2013, produced by Dan Heath - unsure about the exact month, but I think it was confirmed upon its leak that it was mid-late 2013. I always thought the Sad Girl and Fuck My Way demos were rough mixes by Dan Auerbach from January 2014, but someone please correct me if I’m wrong. They sound like rougher versions of the final versions so I don’t know that the production on them was done during the original 2013 sessions. The vocals on Sad Girl are the same from the November 2013 sessions with Rick, since he has producing credits for the vocals. I assume it was the same for the vocals on Fuck My Way, since Dan Heath co-wrote it with her likely around the time they did Ultraviolence (and they kept most of the 2013 vocal take for the final version of Ultraviolence).

God bless @The Siren for taking the plunge and truly embodying the phrase, “ask and you shall receive” (because knowledge truly is power), and God bless @partymonster for creating this blessed thread in the first place.

YES I need to know its origin story for Rick’s version of Ultraviolence!!

Lol I wish - username privilege does not translate into privilege of omniscience, of being all-knowing, unfortunately

@The Siren If you don’t mind asking, could you ask BoZ if it’s true that versions 1 & 2 of Say Yes to Heaven are actually just one version whose stems were split into two versions? Or if that’s just a theory. Maybe save it for the next round of questions because I totally get the concern of not wanting to bombard him with questions. Thank you for sending that first round of questions!!

Ugh you guys…threads like these are the reason I joined LanaBoards! It’s so amazing to keep getting insight on these elusive LDR mysteries - especially huge, album-related ones. So happy to be in this community with you all <3

Probably a continuation, as the photo with this tracklist is from January 27, 2013. NOTG and CB weren’t recorded until May 2, 2013, and UFB was probably recorded later too (I think it was mentioned here recently that it’s from June 2013). I assume she was just continuing on with the recording process, but it’s hard to know!

I can’t say I take lists like these as the ultimate accolade from God, but I can always say that it’s amazing when Lana is recognized favourably and celebrated for her true artistic spirit. Glad Rolling Stone is able to see that (even if the placement is way lower than where all of us would put her).

Aw thank you! <3 Here it is: https://onlyfiles.io/f/335dc31bc8644818802c4ff2f4a64c95 I’m with you on Version 1, I loooove that guitar pattern throughout, it’s just so gorgeous. I think the strings in Version 2 with the guitar in Version 1 sound really good together! Ohhhh I see! Thank you for letting me know! I remember Fine China leaking with “rough old keys” in its title and reading that Your Girl’s initial leak was edited. So interesting about SYTH, I still feel like both versions 1&2 go together so well as one song even though we have reason to believe they are indeed separate….forever an elusive track, and hopefully we get to hear unedited version 1 someday

Speaking of Ultraviolence and scrapped albums…I wanted to test the speculated theory that versions 1 and 2 of Say Yes to Heaven are actually just one version whose stems were split to create two different versions that leaked. I managed to merge them together and play around with the mixing so that the vocal stems from both versions didn’t sound “stacked” onto each other, and it sounds pretty good, in my opinion! The instrumental really comes together and is just gorgeous, I feel a newfound appreciation for the song lol - it really fits sonically well with Dragonslayer! I’ll share it if anybody wants to hear. I always felt like both versions that leaked sounded a bit unfinished and empty, despite being beautiful. This fuller version seems to confirm to me that versions 1 and 2 are indeed just one song. Moreover, it was confirmed that the initial 2016 leak (which we generally know as version 2 of Say Yes to Heaven) was edited, so this seems to further support this.

I didn’t even notice that until you pointed it out! I agree that it could say “Tropico” OR perhaps “Trans-Am” given the other visible piece of paper that says “LANA DEL REY TRANS-AM”. But Tropico seems more likely since we know it was the original LDR3 concept. Here’s my take on what I can barely discern - 1. Old Money? (I feel like I see “OLD” at the start, and knowing that it was recorded in 2012, it’s possible…but I could be just seeing what I want to see lol) 2. Black Beauty? (there are two capital letters that both look like “B” to me, I think I see a “k” and I think I see a “y” at the end of that phrase) 3. Loved a Lot? (I see the “a lot” that you’re seeing too, but I feel like the first letter of the first word looks like a cursive “L” - though it could be a “P” too) 4. Lake Placid? (I see this too) 5. Summertime (I see this too! There‘s that snippet that surfaced recently of her cover of Janis Joplin’s version of Summertime that predates from the Paradise sessions - I wonder if it’s this. Given Blue Velvet’s placement as track 5 on Paradise, it isn’t far fetched to speculate she’d put a cover in the centre of her tracklist for the next album) 7. Jesus (I see this too lol - could it be shorthand for I Talk to Jesus?) 8. Elvis (I see this one clearly) 11. Guns and Roses (I feel like the shape that’s the first letter of the first word looks vaguely like a “G”, the squiggle in the middle could be an “and” (“&”) symbol and I see a capital “R” starting off the second word too) 12. (I see “Feels Really” and then assume the title continues into the next line, but I don’t know…)

Well, Lana herself said to Complex in 2014 that in her mind, the bonus tracks don’t really gel well with the standard 11 tracks on Ultraviolence, so she probably feels the same way as you lol. Nonetheless, with deluxe editions, I’m a bit less attuned to cohesion because they’re so ancillary to the rest of the album (and the standard edition of Ultraviolence is perfectly cohesive!).

Omg It’s so meta that actual chaos would follow a movie as chaotic as SB and its successors. I think a combination of all the possibilities you mentioned was the case. Like, she wrote it for SB2 in January 2014 when Harmony Korine asked her to, but then SB2 got scrapped and Harmony Korine then pivoted to work on The Trap (which was described as part of his “Florida trilogy” that previously included Spring Breakers) but then it was quickly confirmed that that film wouldn’t get green-lit for its original November 2014 release so Lana just put it on Ultraviolence. I guess the film got picked up again briefly in 2015 for a tentative release date based on what she said to James Franco in the V Mag Interview, but obviously failed to materialize again. Thank goodness tbh, because Florida Kilos is a highlight and I’m glad we got to hear it sooner than later.

Adding to this - it seems the movie that Florida Kilos was intended for was formally scrapped! https://www.nylon.com/articles/what-happened-to-harmony-korines-the-trap/amp

Okay this is a good question because I’ve always wondered about her alleged involvement with Spring Breakers, and it gets even more confusing as to where that even came from, because of this excerpt from her interview with James Franco for V Magazine in 2015 -

Omg! Thank you so much for sharing this. <3 Do you have any other intel on recording dates for songs (from any era) that you can share?

All the songs from this era are just god-tier…it’s so interesting to think about the headspace she was in following such an unwarranted backlash that led to the creation of some of the best songs she’s ever made—a large majority of them unreleased. I remember in her Instagram Live on Blue Banisters release day, she said that making another record didn’t seem like the next step to “being pissed off” but it was “all [she] knew how to do” at the time. Ultraviolence and its cumulative recording process is not just a career-defining moment, but a life-defining one. She was and still is so incredible.

Black Beauty was earlier than June 2013! She first mentioned it in an interview posted here on LanaBoards on February 27, 2013. My guess is that it’s from one of those January 2013 sessions with Rick.

Fordham Road vs. A Star for Nick

Besides that, lyrical continuity and parallel imagery have always been cornerstone aspects of Lana’s writing. She—inadvertently or not—constructs a grander narrative between the records through her own self-referencing.

I think Sky Ferreira is a testament to how permeating Internet culture can be. Like, I know nothing about this woman and have done nothing to actively learn anything about her, yet I’m so aware of the fact that she has been delaying an album for almost ten years———and that’s simply because of how information migrates to and overlaps with respective audiences on the Internet! It’s so fascinating. Oh - and she was also in that one scene in the Twin Peaks revival.