Strangelove

That is okay if it doesn't make sense to you. But at least you can acknowledge nonetheless people have biases and that include fans. As I said in my post, this is not just the case for Lana fans. Often a certain ending to a video game or movie will leak or be released post-maturely and there will be an uproar. I think Surf Noir rationalizes a lot of what I wanted to say. Or meal or drink sent back will be brought back without remaking it and the customer will say 'Oh this better'.

I would have to log on my computer later today and really expand into what I am trying to say because I think the shoes were not a digestible example. I think you are bringing up some great points that I would love to expand on but I would need to research a bit and have a computer keyboard to really type out what I want. Disconnect shoe from this conversation and replace it with impression. The impression of the shoe being high quality is the same way fans get an impression of a song being unreleased. Similarly, if the shoes are just presented normally, it would be Lana presenting her music normally as she would release it. There is a label attached to a song being "unreleased" the same way garments have a certain label whether figuratively or literally. I am not judging anyone. Sorry if you are getting that vibe. This is just a discussion about how fans perceive her unreleased music... I respect everyone who likes her unreleased music and if they like it more than her unreleased. Some users here are offering their insight which is helping me understand.

Finally after all these years I finally understand her message with the song. I used to think it was a silly demo, but now I see why its so awesome. I think its powerful when she says nobody lives forever, Heaven isn't real, she's the last girl on Earth... Of course that is all a fantasy, yet it seems so real in a dire situation.

Yes, I got a lobotomy, what about it? My brain on fleek, girl.

I would argue the "branding" aspect is the song being released or unreleased. There is a certain label attached to the song similarly to the shoes that people are drawn to both literally and figuratively. Again, a study done with non-fans who are completely unaware of which songs are unreleased or released would remove the bias fans have and paint a better picture of what I am talking about.

The placebo effect, the video and the Soviet nostalgia example are examples of how bias people are when it comes to quality. I gave the example of the controlled study so you can better understand me but I will expand, so maybe I get my point across better. If you take 100 fans who are familiar with her unreleased music and play ten released and ten unreleased songs variants, it is likely demos will be chosen as their favorite versions versus the 100 non-fans, who will probably choose the finished songs or show no preference. These types of studies are used to determine if drugs are effective against placebo drugs (whoops, typo). You're not supposed to be aware of this bias so naturally as fans we can think 'I just like this more.' Ultimately a study would need to happen to truly verify the Unreleased Syndrome. But I like to discuss it anyway. Anyone got a laboratory and a ton of money I can borrow? Hi, I do not think it is a real issue. Sorry if I am coming off that way. By troubling I mean I wish to better understand it. Really I don't care if people like her unreleased more than her unreleased or whatever the case is.

I agree with a lot of what you said. But I think in the case of her unreleased music and because it is so engraved into her legacy, there does exist an amount of bias. I have noticed in other threads fans wanting an unreleased to be posted, so naturally, they have set imaginary expectations thus are already at a disadvantage. But that's my initial thoughts.

Hi guys, sorry if I misspoke. This topic is not about if Lana's unreleased is better than her released music. It is about how bias influences how fans think of her unreleased music versus her released music. I have linked a YouTube video and a Wikipedia article.

Hi. Please watch the video of the fake designer shoes. Two of the exact same shoes and people will pick one because it is "higher quality", when in reality they're the same quality, or perhaps the one they picked is worse quality. Humans have blind eyes and are bias often.

Yes Recency bias! Great comment. Oh my god this comment is reminding me of Soviet nostalgia! I'm going to add that to the original post. Soviet nostalgia phenomenon is a good comparison in a funny way.

Your comment is reflective of the bias people have I am talking about. Similar to a placebo or the fake luxury shoes, people are not aware of their impressions and preferences. In your example someone can take a sugar pill and say "The pill made my headache go away, there is nothing to it." But of course this is a psychological effect and not reality. That's also why I mentioned the controlled study. Human bias is very real and has scientific backing.

Oh my god Veinsineon this is so morbid haha. I remember when I was younger I tried to convince my mom to let me see Lana at Urban Outfitters... Was that the store? Anyway I pleaded with her I would run away if she didn't let me go. I had $50 and a dream...

It's troubling because there no denying this psychological phenomenon. It doesn't make any sense. It's wild to think a lot of fan favorites even so are in fact edited songs or not real at all. So in a way it's an extension of Unreleased Syndrome. Because once the "real" track leaks, fans will say the previously leaked version was worse. What is this called... Is anyone majoring in Pyschology?

I am very convinced if she released a song like Say Yes To Heaven or Your Girl, fan favorites, on Ultraviolence it would've replaced a track like Pretty When You Cry or Sad Girl. Then either those two unreleased songs would've been fan favorites. Imagine snippets of Pretty When You Cry leaking, fans would be begging for the full. The psychology is so weird, brains are fantastically incorrect so often. Pink Champagne is troubling for me because I truly believe if it was the other way around fans would've been upset the Let Me Love You Like A Woman version wasn't released. Also that's a part I missed. The rawness of the songs has some appeal, but at the very same time I have seen more cooked songs that are different versions get more fan love than the raw versions. Honeymoon is what I am talking about.

Is British Boys an unreleased songs? Or is it supposed to sound like LanaBoards? Haha, I am confused.

I don't think Lana wanted this released otherwise she would play it on tour.

Where can I get tickets? Also I feel good about not listening to the leaks. LOL.

I didn't know what to name the thread but recently online on YouTube and IG I have noticed what I call 'Unreleased Syndrome'. It is similar to the placebo effect or other behaviors that examine people reacting to false information. My first example would be Architecture. When it leaked the reception from fans online was very positive and had people looking forward to the album. Now that it is released in its final format, fans say they like the unreleased version better. Another example is the Venice Bitch demo she released. I have noticed the same attitude toward the demo version being better than final. A lot of times I read on YouTube and here "this should've replaced the released version." When Black Beauty was released I remember many fans expressing their disappointment with the released version. So now at this point, I think a lot of the sentiment toward unreleased music being "better" is because of what I'm calling Unreleased Syndrome. Essentially because fans see that a song is unreleased, they become under the impression any variant of the song afterward is inferior. In reality the released version is better or would've been actually more liked among fans if she kept it unreleased in favor of the released version. A contemporary example is this prank. Basically the prank had low quality shoes masked as high end, designer shoes. Because people assigned a certain quality to the items they can be heard calling the shoes "high quality" when in reality they were from Payless. Below is the video. The funny thing about this experiment is that the opposite placements would have had the same effect. If people walked into a designer store masked as a off-brand store, they would probably not notice the higher quality of the designer garments. Similarly fans can dismiss (mistake) the high quality released music for lower quality music as they can hear the unreleased versions. I would be interested for there to be some kind of study where 100 Lana fans listened to two versions of a song (unreleased then released) and picked which one they liked better versus 100 Lana non-fans. I honestly believe the non-fan group would choose the released versions each time, or it would be 50/50, because they are unbiased. I think there are so many factors as to why this happens. I think the driving factor is the human instinct to go "What if...?" in many situations when it is unreasonable. I think there is something else called Impression Bias where people are less likely to identify a positive choice when surrounded by other negative choices. But maybe some users here can better explain some of the elements at play. This is not exclusive to Lana fans... I think it very common in a lot of media whether it be film, video games or other musicians. Have you ever suffered from Unreleased Syndrome? What do you think on this phenomenon? Wikipedia article detailing Soviet nostalgia linked below. I was reminded of Surf Noir's comment about recency bias. It's worth a read in the context of this conversation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union

Can someone please make a Thousand Pieces extended edit? Thanks.

Born To Die. It's why I fell in love with her.

With what they did to GFOTY and LIZ Y2K I hope they burn in Hell.

Also I think the text is edited on by a fan...

She also uses Lizzi (NO E) for her song Wrong.

Good. That's what they get for what they did to LIZ Y2K.

What date is exactly pre-fame? She was making Born To Die music before she got famous. Not sure if it is on purpose but I see a few producers are missing such as Andy Kravitz and Princess Superstar.