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  1. HunterAshlyn liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    I remember how funny were the WC pictures that were leaked from her shoot. But something with the pictures from her latest shoot is just off. She was with the boys on the set when they took the pictures but her hair, makeup, clothes were horrible. Is she directing or something because I cannot imagine that she appears like that in the video.
  2. a11111 liked a post in a topic by ilovetati in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    The guy who used to run the LDRO Twitter account is spilling tea on ATRL:
     
    "I thought you'd know by now that Lana herself does not believe in this and that Interscope go by what she says.
     
    They didn't want to release Ultraviolence, but she did anyways,
     
    She will not have a radio deal.
     
    HOWEVER they are looking for a radio station in the US to premiere the single this time round as they no longer have Fearne Cotton in the UK.
     
    But then again - before this it was going to be a VEVO premiere. They are really sketchy with their promotional schedule.
     
    Basically - expect an Ultraviolence promo mess.
     
    Lana herself is not about promoting. She tours. She likes to tour. She doesn't like award shows, interviews and TV performances - so when Interscope line these up for here, she later cancels"
     
    He says it will follow suit with her older music (rather than being pop music) and to expect a different sound of jazz, which we knew already.
  3. Lily liked a post in a topic by a11111 in The Endless Summer Tour 2015   
    Sponsorship it's not irrelevant because the complexity and the length of the show it's about money among other factors. Artists like Gaga, Taylor and Perry can put up a huge shows with a lot of people involved and in the same time they can keep the ticket prices reasonable. Lana is loved by many but she's not sufficiently mainstream to attract those sponsors for her shows. 
    I criticized her for many things but the ES tour is good taking in account what I said before. But Lana has a different kind of artistry, her music isn't suited for dancers and costume changes, and if you are a fan you would understand that. If you are a casual concert goer I agree that you can be disappointed because of your unrealistic expectations from her show.
     
    I didn't say to worship her or not to express your opinion here, I said only to not go to her shows if you don't like it because I doubt that Lana will change her shows significantly. That's her, if you like it take it, if not leave it.
  4. kitschqueen liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Francesco Carrozzini talks about his girlfriend Lana Del Rey in a new interview   
    They don't fit physically, that should be secondary but rarely is. I'm glad that he is getting attached to her but it's clear that this wasn't his plan from the beginning. I'm not certain that he's not using her for his career. Anyway, I don't give them to much time together tbh, 
  5. tiffanydale liked a post in a topic by a11111 in The Endless Summer Tour 2015   
    Sponsorship it's not irrelevant because the complexity and the length of the show it's about money among other factors. Artists like Gaga, Taylor and Perry can put up a huge shows with a lot of people involved and in the same time they can keep the ticket prices reasonable. Lana is loved by many but she's not sufficiently mainstream to attract those sponsors for her shows. 
    I criticized her for many things but the ES tour is good taking in account what I said before. But Lana has a different kind of artistry, her music isn't suited for dancers and costume changes, and if you are a fan you would understand that. If you are a casual concert goer I agree that you can be disappointed because of your unrealistic expectations from her show.
     
    I didn't say to worship her or not to express your opinion here, I said only to not go to her shows if you don't like it because I doubt that Lana will change her shows significantly. That's her, if you like it take it, if not leave it.
  6. a11111 liked a post in a topic by Lily in The Endless Summer Tour 2015   
    1. It's not the 60s anymore, but people still do short shows. I just saw Brandi Carlile for the second time, and her show was maybe 10 minutes longer than Lana's. Whenever I'm at a long concert, no matter how amazing, I want to go home. It's smart to keep people wanting more.
     
    2. I can't speak for a single LDR show other than the one I just saw, but Lana definitely didn't spend much time in the crowd, and the music was going the entire time. She went to the crowd twice, and kept it to a couple of minutes altogether - if that - and the entire audience seemed thrilled. It's refreshing to see an artist engaging her fans that way, and rare. 
  7. Lily liked a post in a topic by a11111 in The Endless Summer Tour 2015   
    Those artists that you mentioned have huge sponsors behind their shows and you pay just a fraction of the costs of the show. Lana doesn't have that. People like you always vent their dissatisfaction on ticketmasters commentary section, trashing her show while, for example, she froze to death (in Chicago) just to be with people like you. She's not like Miley or Gaga, she's not an entertainer in that sense, and you could inform yourself before spending your money on her show. It's not like you lost a fortune, if you're not satisfied with her show don't go again it's that simple.  
  8. a11111 liked a post in a topic by graham4anything in The Endless Summer Tour 2015   
    Keep the customer wanting more.
    And for the relatively cheap price of the tickets (the GA tickets are some of the cheapest for a major star), one is more than getting their money worth.
     
    Gordon Lightfoot never did encores and shows were always short.
     
    And many of the songs are long, so basically 13 longer songs=25 songs if the songs were all three minutes.
    The show is compact. Non stop. No encore, but no waste of 20 minutes waiting for someone to come back for the encore and the waste of time of changing clothes while
    the backup singers and band perform.
     
    Also, it is not stadiums or arena, where the majority of the names you listed are playing longer shows.
     
    The Beatles played if lucky, about 30 minutes on their first couple of tours, and really, this is only Lana's 2nd US tour.
    Most 1960s artists in their prime played short shows.
    And Pet Clark and Nancy Sinatra didn't even do an hour at their solo shows.
    And many also do medley's of five or six songs strung together.
  9. lana4alwaysAKAsteffy liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  10. American Money liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  11. strange weather liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  12. Bootynugget liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    You raised some interesting points.
     
    I think that is awkward to put next to each other terms like Indie and industry which should be antonyms. Indie is all about DIY culture when industry (in music) is about Beyonce, Katy Perry etc. When Lana wrote Sirens she was indie, a girl with a guitar, as she said in an interview: she was a lyricist and a bad composer. After signing with her first label she was helped by others to shape her sound and she became part of a small business. By signing with Interscope she become a medium sized business: a lot of people (producers, musicians, managers) work and depend on her success. In my view Lana today has nothing to do with the indie business model 
     
    I love UV more than BTD. But we have to be real about the fact that she built up her fan base during the BTD era. Her presence then, albeit sometimes awkward, was relatable like her music and many people like it. UV undoubtedly gained her some new fans but UV main impact was with her critical reception which improved markedly comparatively with the BTD era.
     
    Regarding fans, in my view, UV had a negative impact because many casual (SS remix) and pop oriented fans lost interest in her because they couldn't stomach UV's rockish sound and abrasive lyrics. She gained some quality music "fans" but these are fickle and are treating her as a "guilty pleasure" and if HM will not deliver they will ditch her in a dime.
     
    I don't think that it's all about fame. It's more about the capability of maintaining a medium sized business.
     
    1. Does she needs to be of a certain size (commercially) to be viable as an artist?
    Well, she cannot go full indie because she needs producers and musicians to build her sound and she needs money to pay them. Or, we could have more videos like the UV video but compare it with the BTD, Ride, NA, SOC videos: I'm not here for that. So I think that she needs to maintain some commercial viability to make quality music and videos.
     
    2. Does she needs promo to maintain some viability commercially? You said that good music sells and is true to a certain extent. But look at UV, it was arguably a better album than BTD and today is practically out of the market when BTD is still on the charts. Many are saying that UV rode on BTD fame and promotion and will sell about 1/5 of what BTD sold. If she stumbles further with HM commercially she will have to improve a lot in the critical department to compensate (which I doubt given the HM lyrics) because otherwise she'll lose support and maybe her contract.
     
    And believe me Lana's one artist that needs all the support she can get in this business where many are despising her despite UV:
    http://www.craveonline.com/music/articles/860023-sasquatch-2015-recap-photos-choking-lana-del-reys-self-absorbption#/slide/1
     
    3. Certainly, she can base herself on hardcore fans (like me), who are to infatuated with her voice and looks, to not lose interest even if HM flops commercially and critically but there will be few and far between stans standing
  13. Bootynugget liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    This is a smart assessment of the point in which Lana is right now. 
    HM is her crucial album in my opinion too. UV was different from BTD, it was less viable commercially but what was lost in that area it was compensated with critical acclaim. I see Lana as a borderline mainstream artist (she had a few hits WG, SS, YB) but her lack of exposure in the mainstream media, for about more than 2 years now, is a problem for her because she became overly dependent commercially on her fans (UV was very successful for 2-3 weeks, when her fan base snatched up the album, but after that dropped like a rock in sales). She has some unique strengths: unique voice, ear for melodies, the ability to conjure a specific mood, looks. But she has weaknesses: sub par live performances, repetitive lyrical content. So, at this time she has a solid fan base but this is not granted forever to her. Let's not forget that some of her fans are rooting for her for 4 years now and this is a long time for any relationship. She has a fairly varied fan base but the bulk of her fans are young people who are evolving and who will expect soon some variation in her lyrical themes to remain interested. I think that HM will be a watershed for her fan base. If she will disappoint musically and she'll show the same "I don't care" attitude like in the UV era she'll lose a lot of quality fans.
     
    The crux of her new era will be her attitude: she needs to shred the overly shy, uncertain singer image. After 3 years of touring there is no reason for her to feel crippled on stage, she absolutely can sing but she has to take seriously her performances (from what I saw in this tour she improved in all areas of her show).
     
    I have to say that I don't like the leaked HM lyrics. In my opinion, as far as lyrics goes, they aren't viable commercially and they aren't good from a critical point of view. It's the bad middle-point that I fear for the HM era. I think that there is time for her to make adjustments and she needs to pay attention to the few critics who made valid points about her work.
  14. Bootynugget liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  15. Kommander liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  16. WhiteHydrangea liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  17. guardian liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    Well, I didn't see your response. The ES tour has a better show, it's not perfect but from what I read about her tour most of the people like it. 
    In her case I think there is a problem of stamina and probably you'll not see 2 hours plus concerts from Lana.
     
    Secondly, I think that she doesn't see herself as an entertainer, she approaches her concerts more as meetings with her fans and she feels that her true fans are linked more profoundly to her than the usual expectancy of a good show from a casual concert goer. She really loves her fans but I don't think that she cares to much about the casual concert goers. LDR concerts are not for them. She's not here to entertain you no matter what. That's why she's not coming for an encore and she isn't chitchatting with the audience. Lana fans feel a connection with her without requiring her to express it to often. You watch her face, beaming with emotion when others, who don't understand her, don't see nothing. You watch her awkward little dances on the stage and all the insecurities she express in her music makes sense. If you don't feel that don't bother to spend you're precious money on her concerts
  18. FROGGO liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    This is a smart assessment of the point in which Lana is right now. 
    HM is her crucial album in my opinion too. UV was different from BTD, it was less viable commercially but what was lost in that area it was compensated with critical acclaim. I see Lana as a borderline mainstream artist (she had a few hits WG, SS, YB) but her lack of exposure in the mainstream media, for about more than 2 years now, is a problem for her because she became overly dependent commercially on her fans (UV was very successful for 2-3 weeks, when her fan base snatched up the album, but after that dropped like a rock in sales). She has some unique strengths: unique voice, ear for melodies, the ability to conjure a specific mood, looks. But she has weaknesses: sub par live performances, repetitive lyrical content. So, at this time she has a solid fan base but this is not granted forever to her. Let's not forget that some of her fans are rooting for her for 4 years now and this is a long time for any relationship. She has a fairly varied fan base but the bulk of her fans are young people who are evolving and who will expect soon some variation in her lyrical themes to remain interested. I think that HM will be a watershed for her fan base. If she will disappoint musically and she'll show the same "I don't care" attitude like in the UV era she'll lose a lot of quality fans.
     
    The crux of her new era will be her attitude: she needs to shred the overly shy, uncertain singer image. After 3 years of touring there is no reason for her to feel crippled on stage, she absolutely can sing but she has to take seriously her performances (from what I saw in this tour she improved in all areas of her show).
     
    I have to say that I don't like the leaked HM lyrics. In my opinion, as far as lyrics goes, they aren't viable commercially and they aren't good from a critical point of view. It's the bad middle-point that I fear for the HM era. I think that there is time for her to make adjustments and she needs to pay attention to the few critics who made valid points about her work.
  19. brooklynbaby91 liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  20. HunterAshlyn liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    But this is exactly what "speculation" it's all about. We speculate about the HM era (promo, track names, sound, videos, lyrical themes etc.) on the little information we have. 
     
    Regarding HM I have one more speculation to make that is based on the logic of this quick release after UV.
    I think that the HM release is closely linked with the relationship between her and Interscope. There are two scenarios possible in my view:
     
    1. Confrontation. I think that this scenario is unlikely because: her label gave her considerable artistic freedom, they didn't invested to much in her (UV promo was minimal) and she sold well overall (even with UV when we compare her to other artists), despite that she manifested some random behavior she's not a troublemaker and her image isn't really a problem. There is a "laissez faire" option regarding the HM release, variation which is also unlikely because we are talking about the financial interests of a huge label.
     
    2. Synergy. She said that she had gone too far with UV and practically ended the era with an Iphone statement. Her label probably said that "we let you do what you wanted on UV but now please work with us, we want a proper big label release because we are the fckin biggest label in the world and you celebrated this fact with the chief on a Billboard feature". So, I think that the stars are aligned and Lana and her label want the same thing: a release of BTD proportions. The possible consequences of this:
    - There will not be any seriously controversial lyrics on HM (some in the media tried to talk about "domestic violence" regarding the leaked HM lyrics but this opinions are laughable)
    - HM will not be a slow affair like the second part of UV.
    - She will return to a more pop sound with some jazz inflections, but I'm hoping for something new in her sound that usually distracts fans and critics from focusing solely on her lyrics. After the leaked lyrics I'm rooting more for the sound tbh.
    - HM will have some hit candidates and one of them will be the lead single that she'll introduce (hopefully) on this tour (at the Gov. Ball) and she'll have a BTD level video coming out with it. Another 2-3 singles will come out in support of the album with at least one more video.
    - She will be far more active, I'm certain that she will do some TV shows and you'll not see any random statements from her in interviews (that doesn't mean that they will not be interesting but I think that she learned her lesson from last years interviews)
     
    A Lana stan can only hope (see you guys in this thread when the first single drops)
  21. YUNGATA liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    This is a smart assessment of the point in which Lana is right now. 
    HM is her crucial album in my opinion too. UV was different from BTD, it was less viable commercially but what was lost in that area it was compensated with critical acclaim. I see Lana as a borderline mainstream artist (she had a few hits WG, SS, YB) but her lack of exposure in the mainstream media, for about more than 2 years now, is a problem for her because she became overly dependent commercially on her fans (UV was very successful for 2-3 weeks, when her fan base snatched up the album, but after that dropped like a rock in sales). She has some unique strengths: unique voice, ear for melodies, the ability to conjure a specific mood, looks. But she has weaknesses: sub par live performances, repetitive lyrical content. So, at this time she has a solid fan base but this is not granted forever to her. Let's not forget that some of her fans are rooting for her for 4 years now and this is a long time for any relationship. She has a fairly varied fan base but the bulk of her fans are young people who are evolving and who will expect soon some variation in her lyrical themes to remain interested. I think that HM will be a watershed for her fan base. If she will disappoint musically and she'll show the same "I don't care" attitude like in the UV era she'll lose a lot of quality fans.
     
    The crux of her new era will be her attitude: she needs to shred the overly shy, uncertain singer image. After 3 years of touring there is no reason for her to feel crippled on stage, she absolutely can sing but she has to take seriously her performances (from what I saw in this tour she improved in all areas of her show).
     
    I have to say that I don't like the leaked HM lyrics. In my opinion, as far as lyrics goes, they aren't viable commercially and they aren't good from a critical point of view. It's the bad middle-point that I fear for the HM era. I think that there is time for her to make adjustments and she needs to pay attention to the few critics who made valid points about her work.
  22. AngelHeadedHipster liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    Well, I didn't see your response. The ES tour has a better show, it's not perfect but from what I read about her tour most of the people like it. 
    In her case I think there is a problem of stamina and probably you'll not see 2 hours plus concerts from Lana.
     
    Secondly, I think that she doesn't see herself as an entertainer, she approaches her concerts more as meetings with her fans and she feels that her true fans are linked more profoundly to her than the usual expectancy of a good show from a casual concert goer. She really loves her fans but I don't think that she cares to much about the casual concert goers. LDR concerts are not for them. She's not here to entertain you no matter what. That's why she's not coming for an encore and she isn't chitchatting with the audience. Lana fans feel a connection with her without requiring her to express it to often. You watch her face, beaming with emotion when others, who don't understand her, don't see nothing. You watch her awkward little dances on the stage and all the insecurities she express in her music makes sense. If you don't feel that don't bother to spend you're precious money on her concerts
  23. SoftcoreBabyface liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    What you're talking about? You're referencing her past tours or the Endless Summer tour? From what I saw in videos her show improved: the stage is beautiful, her voice is on point, she has a longer set.Dancers no. But backup singers would be nice mainly to ditch those annoying backup tracks with her registered voice and have the full live experience
  24. delreyfreak liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    Well, I didn't see your response. The ES tour has a better show, it's not perfect but from what I read about her tour most of the people like it. 
    In her case I think there is a problem of stamina and probably you'll not see 2 hours plus concerts from Lana.
     
    Secondly, I think that she doesn't see herself as an entertainer, she approaches her concerts more as meetings with her fans and she feels that her true fans are linked more profoundly to her than the usual expectancy of a good show from a casual concert goer. She really loves her fans but I don't think that she cares to much about the casual concert goers. LDR concerts are not for them. She's not here to entertain you no matter what. That's why she's not coming for an encore and she isn't chitchatting with the audience. Lana fans feel a connection with her without requiring her to express it to often. You watch her face, beaming with emotion when others, who don't understand her, don't see nothing. You watch her awkward little dances on the stage and all the insecurities she express in her music makes sense. If you don't feel that don't bother to spend you're precious money on her concerts
  25. Kommander liked a post in a topic by a11111 in Honeymoon - Pre-Release and Discussion Thread   
    What you're talking about? You're referencing her past tours or the Endless Summer tour? From what I saw in videos her show improved: the stage is beautiful, her voice is on point, she has a longer set.Dancers no. But backup singers would be nice mainly to ditch those annoying backup tracks with her registered voice and have the full live experience
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