TEMPORARY Chemtrails Over the Country Club - Pre-Release Thread: OUT March 19th, 2021

[honeybadger 40,659]

my COCC abstinence has been strong for the past 4 days, so here in order are the tracks i'm most EXCITED to hear again on the 19th

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1. NAWWAL          because i didn't get the chance to absorb this song, and i NEED to hear it again 

2. TJF                     because i miss white hot foreverrrrrrrrr amen 

3. DBJAG               i forget what the entirety of this song sounds like not kidding 
4. yosemite           throw me off the half moon rock at yosemite 

5. white dress       it makes me feel like a god 

6. DTWD                literally no memory of what this sounds like 

7. wild at heart      i kinda remember her but not really, she deserves the world 

8. for free               i love jewueles and schouweeles 

9. BUS                     a dignified woman 

 

10. chemtrails AND LMLYLAW because i listened to them way more than anything else

this isn't my track ranking just what i'm most craving listening to

[Furor Poeticus 16,478]

Like, I understand the sentiment for BTD/Paradise. I myself was 10 when Summertime Sadness was a hit in my country and I still like to go back to Cola or Lolita once in a while.

Anyhow, Lana has proven to me that it's her meaningful lyricism she's been continuing for quite some time that hits me the most and I now I love it the most about her artistry...

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...and COCC has just that. TJF, Yosemite and DTWD have left me shocked

 

[Poor Stacy 12,096]

I deleted this after initially posting it, but I'll repost it since we're talking about it, lol

 

 

I don't buy that NAWWAL is an NFR! outtake (why would she be talking about Nebraska in a song from NFR?), and even if it were, it was a super early or completely different version, because everything from the lyrics to the production to the vocal style fit the theme and sound of COCC so much more. It almost makes zero sense. I'm tired of insiders bringing stuff like this up with no proof or actual context. Other prolific artists save songs or ideas all the time. And I think it's cheap for people to be like "Oh, she had to fill the album with b-sides!!!" when these two albums are clearly their own separate entities. Yeah, Lana worked with the same producer - so what, maybe they started an idea during NFR that didn't fully flesh out until she started working on the next album with him?

 

And that's the thing. Artists like Bruce Springsteen get to save songs, re-work them, use them for albums down the line with zero assumption that he's padding his albums "with filler", but as soon as Lana does, you read reviews from fans saying "she had to add old songs to fill up the tracklist~*". When we all know Lana cut tracks from this one, when she could have added more. Idk. I get not liking something, that's fine. But I don't even know why I've even seen people making Folklore/Evermore comparisons when there's been a year and a half between NFR! and COCC, and there were only 5 months between Folklore/Evermore (with only a 3 point Metacritic difference between the two). I mean, the song Dorothea on Evermore is built off the same instrumental as this from 2017 and nobody brings it up. I don't want to hear shit from reviewers about Wild at Heart directly sampling (and lyrically referencing Joe from) HTD when Taylor used a 3 year old backing track already used for Bob's Burgers.

 

My point is, just because a song may go through various versions or iterations before finding a home on an album doesn't make it an automatic filler track and it doesn't mean an album was rushed or not thought-out. People, including weird Twitter gays, really don't want to admit that Lana chooses to do everything she does. If she doesn't want to release an album, she won't. If she wanted to put Dealer on the album, she would have. She clearly thought Yosemite was a good fit for the album, and most of us agree that it is. A highlight, even. I'm happy even the most critical fans seem to like the album for the most part, but this "outtake!" narrative from certain people in the fandom is really tired and not even accurate in the way they're presenting it.

[Vertimus 9,851]

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One interesting thing to me is how 'Wild At Heart' could be from BTD or P. It's a throwback to lighter, easier, sunnier thoughts and sounds. I approve. 

 

[MrFameKills 11,159]

 

Wild at Heart is just too good

 

[littleredpartydress 49,903]

1 minute ago, Poor Stacy said:

I deleted this after initially posting it, but I'll repost it since we're talking about it, lol

 

 

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I don't buy that NAWWAL is an NFR! outtake (why would she be talking about Nebraska in a song from NFR?), and even if it were, it was a super early or completely different version, because everything from the lyrics to the production to the vocal style fit the theme and sound of COCC so much more. It almost makes zero sense. I'm tired of insiders bringing stuff like this up with no proof or actual context. Other prolific artists save songs or ideas all the time. And I think it's cheap for people to be like "Oh, she had to fill the album with b-sides!!!" when these two albums are clearly their own separate entities. Yeah, Lana worked with the same producer - so what, maybe they started an idea during NFR that didn't fully flesh out until she started working on the next album with him?

 

And that's the thing. Artists like Bruce Springsteen get to save songs, re-work them, use them for albums down the line with zero assumption that he's padding his albums "with filler", but as soon as Lana does, you read reviews from fans saying "she had to add old songs to fill up the tracklist~*". When we all know Lana cut tracks from this one, when she could have added more. Idk. I get not liking something, that's fine. But I don't even know why I've even seen people making Folklore/Evermore comparisons when there's been a year and a half between NFR! and COCC, and there were only 5 months between Folklore/Evermore (with only a 3 point Metacritic difference between the two). I mean, the song Dorothea on Evermore is built off the same instrumental as this from 2017 and nobody brings it up. I don't want to hear shit from reviewers about Wild at Heart directly sampling (and lyrically referencing Joe from) HTD when Taylor used a 3 year old backing track already used for Bob's Burgers.

 

My point is, just because a song may go through various versions or iterations before finding a home on an album doesn't make it an automatic filler track and it doesn't mean an album was rushed or not thought-out. People, including weird Twitter gays, really don't want to admit that Lana chooses to do everything she does. If she doesn't want to release an album, she won't. If she wanted to put Dealer on the album, she would have. She clearly thought Yosemite was a good fit for the album, and most of us agree that it is. A highlight, even. I'm happy even the most critical fans seem to like the album for the most part, but this "outtake!" narrative from certain people in the fandom is really tired and not even totally accurate in the way they're presenting it.

 

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I agree. And I think it’s weird how everyone immediately bought what that insider said when he is the one that said that Nicki zella and weyes did backing vocals. 
 

he might be right sometimes but he clearly can be wrong. 

 

[Lustformoney 41,577]

theres no way narwhal is a nfr outtake. Not even a chance

[Crimson and Clover 22,647]

11 minutes ago, LemonadeHeavens said:

...it's also sad that a large portion of the fandom is still stuck in the born to die era...

throwback to when a portion of her fandom left when West Coast/UV was released  I wonder would they think of COCC LOL 

[rightofjupiter 16,822]

23 minutes ago, Ultraviolencequeen said:

Totally!!

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Very Tori 

 

 

Yes! I hear tori in WD too– damn, when will tori get the flowers she deserves for changing the musical landscape.

[NikoGo 62,767]

While I do love BTD and think many songs are still classics (OTTR, Lolita, TIWMUG) and I do miss the rock/surf vibes of WC/SOC/CW, I’m extremely happy with the direction she’s going now

 

title track proved she can evolve and still have the touch of Lana that hooked me. (The wall of sound that builds up, the biblical reference of ‘contemplating God’)

[menslayer 19,191]

My new tracklist:

1. WD
2. COCC
3. ITTJ
4. TJF
5. LMLYLAW 
6. WAH
7. DBJAG
8. NAWWAL 
9. Yosemite
10. BUS
11. Thunder
12. Living Legend
13. DTWD
14. For Free

[Dark Angel 205,186]

4 minutes ago, JehovahThikness said:

throwback to when a portion of her fandom left when West Coast/UV was released  I wonder would they think of COCC LOL 

 

west coast > majority of the born to die album 

 

tasteless

 

(btw, i'm not saying that born to die is bad or that it doesn't have artistic value, i still really love it! but it's not my favorite)

[lustforlife 19,008]

4 minutes ago, Lustformoney said:

theres no way narwhal is a nfr outtake. Not even a chance

its not. its a song she write right after of ending nfr!.

[rightofjupiter 16,822]

40 minutes ago, recklessdaughter said:

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I’ve heard a lot of people bringing up that apparently a lot of the album is made up of outtakes from other albums, and idk if that’s true, but that’s actually something fairly common and not necessarily a bad thing. Stevie Nicks has been recycling Rumours outtakes for most of her career. Why throw away a good song if it fits a later project? 

 

 

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totally agree– i also think it speaks to lana's talent as a creator of albums that she knows when a song isn't a right fit and only brings it back when it is (yosemite is a perfect example imo– it could have fit LFL but works SO perfectly on COCC). being an artist isn't just about making the work but also knowing how to contextualize that work (within the space of an album, in this case) so that its themes shine most brightly.

 

[normanrockwhale 1,165]

Meanwhile me, painting denim jacket to celebrate COCC release on Friday

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[BluebirdXO 7,679]

43 minutes ago, honeybadger said:

i've never seen the problem with using outtakes and

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the sampling of HTD feels very purposeful and important to me. it's not like they said "i have this song that's in no way connected to HTD, but i like the instrumentals, so let's chop it up and stick it in". the songs feel more interconnected and intertwined than that.

 

honestly the more polarizing the album reviews are and the more annoying they are, the better the album is  COCC will remain one of her best

 

This reminds me of something that Nikolay Tsiskaridze had said:

 

"Everything I've done on stage has had supporters and opponents.

The main distinctive feature of great artistry is that no one is left indifferent when a disagreement arises. It is horrifying when everyone likes or dislikes something, because it is immediately forgotten.

[...]

They write enthusiastic reviews and terrible ones. It creates a certain wave."

 

 

COCC will certainly age well

[GetFree 1,861]

3 minutes ago, rightofjupiter said:

 

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totally agree– i also think it speaks to lana's talent as a creator of albums that she knows when a song isn't a right fit and only brings it back when it is (yosemite is a perfect example imo– it could have fit LFL but works SO perfectly on COCC). being an artist isn't just about making the work but also knowing how to contextualize that work (within the space of an album, in this case) so that its themes shine most brightly.

 

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Honestly even though Yosemite has a LFL flair to it I think the closest song to it is Tomorrow Never Came and even TNC isn’t as “deep” in styling as Yosemite. It does fit COCC like a ring

 

[Poor Stacy 12,096]

9 minutes ago, JehovahThikness said:

throwback to when a portion of her fandom left when West Coast/UV was released  I wonder would they think of COCC LOL 

 

 

I can't wait for the rest of the "I miss Born To Die Lana " fans to just... GO. I wonder why they're still holding out. She was cute and did what she had to do, but she's never coming back. 

 

[Corona 1,949]

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I absolutely hate seeing Lana get so much shit no matter what she does.

 

When she releases older songs - "She ran out of ideas, she had to add fillers!", but then twitter stans would get mad at her for not releasing older leaked or teased songs 

 

When she teased the hell out of NFR with snippets everyone complained the album had no surprises, now with COCC stans are saying there should have been MORE snippets, the clownery of it all...

 

No matter what anyone says - Lana is an authentic, true artist. She does what she wants the way she wants and we should be appreciative of that. We had a masterpiece album a bit more than a year ago, since then we had a poetry book (+the audiobook version), several droplets (like covers or the Hallucinogenics collab). And some have the audacity to say that she's lazy because the album has only 11 tracks and 3 of them are (supposedly) rejects from older projects. 

 

I know that what I'm writing is basically pointless because that's the way this fanbase has always been, but I just can't understand why y'all are constantly trying to diss Lana instead of enjoying her art if you like it or simply ignoring it if you don't

 

[Thunder Revenant 20,996]

16 minutes ago, Poor Stacy said:

I deleted this after initially posting it, but I'll repost it since we're talking about it, lol

 

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I don't buy that NAWWAL is an NFR! outtake (why would she be talking about Nebraska in a song from NFR?), and even if it were, it was a super early or completely different version, because everything from the lyrics to the production to the vocal style fit the theme and sound of COCC so much more. It almost makes zero sense. I'm tired of insiders bringing stuff like this up with no proof or actual context. Other prolific artists save songs or ideas all the time. And I think it's cheap for people to be like "Oh, she had to fill the album with b-sides!!!" when these two albums are clearly their own separate entities. Yeah, Lana worked with the same producer - so what, maybe they started an idea during NFR that didn't fully flesh out until she started working on the next album with him?

 

And that's the thing. Artists like Bruce Springsteen get to save songs, re-work them, use them for albums down the line with zero assumption that he's padding his albums "with filler", but as soon as Lana does, you read reviews from fans saying "she had to add old songs to fill up the tracklist~*". When we all know Lana cut tracks from this one, when she could have added more. Idk. I get not liking something, that's fine. But I don't even know why I've even seen people making Folklore/Evermore comparisons when there's been a year and a half between NFR! and COCC, and there were only 5 months between Folklore/Evermore (with only a 3 point Metacritic difference between the two). I mean, the song Dorothea on Evermore is built off the same instrumental as this from 2017 and nobody brings it up. I don't want to hear shit from reviewers about Wild at Heart directly sampling (and lyrically referencing Joe from) HTD when Taylor used a 3 year old backing track already used for Bob's Burgers.

 

My point is, just because a song may go through various versions or iterations before finding a home on an album doesn't make it an automatic filler track and it doesn't mean an album was rushed or not thought-out. People, including weird Twitter gays, really don't want to admit that Lana chooses to do everything she does. If she doesn't want to release an album, she won't. If she wanted to put Dealer on the album, she would have. She clearly thought Yosemite was a good fit for the album, and most of us agree that it is. A highlight, even. I'm happy even the most critical fans seem to like the album for the most part, but this "outtake!" narrative from certain people in the fandom is really tired and not even accurate in the way they're presenting it.

You are totally right. Artists "saving up" a song/ concept for another record or coming back to an idea they once had is totally normal and legit. People are just so .... greedy and one-track-minded.