MARINA (and The Diamonds)

[Rorman Nockwell 56,992]

Sis you ain’t the only one here who speaks japanese, her pronunciation is absolutely fine

 

No, it isn't:

 

She sings "HiroSHEEEEma" - it's "HirOSHima" (although the "OSH" isn't strongly emphasised).

She sings "KeeYO-toe" - it's "Kyoh-toh"

 

It sounds wrong to a Japanese person. Which means it's wrong, because they're Japanese words. If you have a Japanese person handy, ask them. I do, and I did.

 

She's adjusted the syllables to suit the song - understood. That's her prerogative. But IMO it's lazy songwriting to pronounce a word incorrectly to make it fit.

 

(and I never said I was the only one here who could speak Japanese ... but thanks for hot tip).

 

Whatever, the biggest issue (which I mentioned and everyone ignored) is how predictable the lyrics are.

 

I like Marina. But I don't like this song. Fight me.

[Topaz 572]

 

It sounds wrong to a Japanese person. Which means it's wrong, because they're Japanese words. If you have a Japanese person handy, ask them. I do, and I did.

 

She's adjusted the syllables to suit the song - understood. That's her prerogative. But IMO it's lazy songwriting to pronounce a word incorrectly to make it fit.

 

 

 

City names and countries are pronounced different in most languages, dialects, and accents, so no it's not necessarily wrong. It may not be to your liking, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect. 

 

Adjusting syllables is actually something very common within music, and imo is completely fine. Take Katy Perry's "unconditional" and how Lana pronounces diamonds in some songs (with 3 syllables)

[KeybladeMeister 6,488]

No, it isn't:

 

She sings "HiroSHEEEEma" - it's "HirOSHima" (although the "OSH" isn't strongly emphasised).

She sings "KeeYO-toe" - it's "Kyoh-toh"

 

It sounds wrong to a Japanese person. Which means it's wrong, because they're Japanese words. If you have a Japanese person handy, ask them. I do, and I did.

 

She's adjusted the syllables to suit the song - understood. That's her prerogative. But IMO it's lazy songwriting to pronounce a word incorrectly to make it fit.

 

(and I never said I was the only one here who could speak Japanese ... but thanks for hot tip).

 

Whatever, the biggest issue (which I mentioned and everyone ignored) is how predictable the lyrics are.

 

I like Marina. But I don't like this song. Fight me.

You're entitled to your opinion, but damn sis, it ain't that serious

[Rorman Nockwell 56,992]

You're entitled to your opinion, but damn sis, it ain't that serious

I agree; I just enjoy fighting with people on the internet some Sunday afternoons

[KeybladeMeister 6,488]

On another note, do we have a time frame / full credits for Please Don't Call Me? Just curious cause I know she was recording way back in 2016 as well

[electra 20,644]

No, it isn't:

 

She sings "HiroSHEEEEma" - it's "HirOSHima" (although the "OSH" isn't strongly emphasised).

She sings "KeeYO-toe" - it's "Kyoh-toh"

 

It sounds wrong to a Japanese person. Which means it's wrong, because they're Japanese words. If you have a Japanese person handy, ask them. I do, and I did.

 

She's adjusted the syllables to suit the song - understood. That's her prerogative. But IMO it's lazy songwriting to pronounce a word incorrectly to make it fit.

 

(and I never said I was the only one here who could speak Japanese ... but thanks for hot tip).

 

Whatever, the biggest issue (which I mentioned and everyone ignored) is how predictable the lyrics are.

 

I like Marina. But I don't like this song. Fight me.

This isn’t weeaboo boards.

[Honeybear 2,047]

Y’all should be grateful you got the song in the first place and not complain it’s in 128kbps

[Life 3,983]

No, it isn't:

 

She sings "HiroSHEEEEma" - it's "HirOSHima" (although the "OSH" isn't strongly emphasised).

She sings "KeeYO-toe" - it's "Kyoh-toh"

 

It sounds wrong to a Japanese person. Which means it's wrong, because they're Japanese words. If you have a Japanese person handy, ask them. I do, and I did.

 

She's adjusted the syllables to suit the song - understood. That's her prerogative. But IMO it's lazy songwriting to pronounce a word incorrectly to make it fit.

 

(and I never said I was the only one here who could speak Japanese ... but thanks for hot tip).

 

Whatever, the biggest issue (which I mentioned and everyone ignored) is how predictable the lyrics are.

 

I like Marina. But I don't like this song. Fight me.

 

sweetie, you say Hiroshima like “Hi-roh-shee-ma” (although you can say it either way). You also say Kyoto like “Kee-yo-to”, just not as tonal as she says it (as you say it quite monotone). So the fact you’ve supposedly lived in Japan for 3 years and you don’t even know this then don’t come in here saying she’s butchering the pronunciations when she hasn’t.

lawd, i bet you’re one of those people who says everything Japanese in a horrible generic Americanised way. 

[Rorman Nockwell 56,992]

This isn’t weeaboo boards.

mb mb

[Rorman Nockwell 56,992]

 

sweetie, you say Hiroshima like “Hi-roh-shee-ma” (although you can say it either way). You also say Kyoto like “Kee-yo-to”, just not as tonal as she says it (as you say it quite monotone). So the fact you’ve supposedly lived in Japan for 3 years and you don’t even know this then don’t come in here saying she’s butchering the pronunciations when she hasn’t.

lawd, i bet you’re one of those people who says everything Japanese in a horrible generic Americanised way. 

 

 

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on pronunciation. I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong. Okay. 

 

I'm not your sweetie. We are not on patronising-nickname terms. Nor am I American. Stop being so uptight and go outside or something.

[Charlottexseax 8,038]

i been saying stop acknowledging mr no picture they're a troll just stop 

now lets go back to mourning marina's creative vision 

[Masochism 15,401]

i been saying stop acknowledging mr no picture they're a troll just stop 

now lets go back to mourning marina's creative vision 

rip. 

 

she died with the diamonds.

[wraith 7,277]

On another note, do we have a time frame / full credits for Please Don't Call Me? Just curious cause I know she was recording way back in 2016 as well

People say it's from her session with Sarah Hudson which happened May 2017

[Life 3,983]

i been saying stop acknowledging mr no picture they're a troll just stop 

now lets go back to mourning marina's creative vision 

 

you're cute. also it's not that dead, kinda. i do wonder at times what she was going for with this album tbh, like where's the point merna? maybe it'll make sense as a whole seeing as we've only heard one part, but Electra Heart was a damn concept and I feel like that's when she was at her "best". i'm enjoying what we've got but i feel like the concept was a little weak and it doesn't totally have a point to what she was doing apart from just making music.

[TrashMagiq 59,002]

End Of The Earth
that's the post, let's take a moment to appreciate the best song from LOVE.

[fl0ridakil0s 3,960]

She also says Sao PaulOO when brazilians actually say São Paulu but that's totally fine since she's not a native speaker and I'm so happy that she name dropped us <3

it's not that deep fam

[Charlottexseax 8,038]

 

you're cute. also it's not that dead, kinda. i do wonder at times what she was going for with this album tbh, like where's the point merna? maybe it'll make sense as a whole seeing as we've only heard one part, but Electra Heart was a damn concept and I feel like that's when she was at her "best". i'm enjoying what we've got but i feel like the concept was a little weak and it doesn't totally have a point to what she was doing apart from just making music.

 

 

eh was her production peak bc she had a really high budget and could express her vision to the maximum. this came with a bunch of downsides too, tho, as it was when she felt the most "constrained" and it's understandable: the more the industry gives you, the more the industry expects from you. I feel like TFJ and FROOT were equally good eras, bc in some way o another she still made up for it: TFj had iconic imagery and beautiful melodies, and it's when she was the most genuine and "relatable" (I don't value relatability but a lot of people do, so). FROOT had probably her best visuals, I loved the fact that the cover was kind of an acknowledgement to her gay fans and at the same time felt a lot like a trip to the 80s (Kate Bush teas). The single covers were amazing and the color palettes... like she invented colors. rainbow who? light who? spectrum who? radiation WHO??? Eh had peak production, great storytelling (mainly visual) and iconic songs. like all her eras were carefully crafted and they all have something iconic to them that you can instantly recognise.

when i look at F+L I find it really hard to do so.

the cover is ugly, she looks like a giraffe on crack and the b&w color pattern doesn't help. also, it's not a recurrent theme, the b&w, it's limited to the cover and HH, while during the past eras there was always a recurrent element that made everything make sense with the rest.

Superstar cover is... a cropped picture. slay i guess?

the songs are cute, they are not bad songs and i can bop to them i guess (apart from superstar. thats bad), but it just feels deeply underwhelming. like if any other artist came up with this id be like: ok sis nice outfit. but this has no creative vision. none. at all. when you look at the project from afar, what do you see?

when i look at TFJ from afar i see a young, #relatable, talented girl with high expectations and a desperate need to prove other people wrong. shes cute and makes bops and occasional social commentary. work merna!

when i look at EH I see a slightly older, more mature, very dissatisfied, talented singer who wants to completely turn her career around and explore how women have been socialised in the american society. she employs a rich, bubblegum production and incredible visuals. ICONIC STORYTELLING. slay

when i look at FROOT I see a mature, happy, peaceful talented singer who feels satisfied with what she has and no longer craves for fame. she's living her life and beefing with charli XCX on twitter bc that's literally her worst problem. she has found what she had been looking for in herself, not in others, and wants to express this feeling to the rest of the world with a more intimate production, a better outlook on the word and at times iconic lyricism. her visuals are on fleek. kate bush WHO?? 

 

when i look at F+L i see nothing. i see some nice songs, a nice production and a nice cover. but that's it. i dont feel like she had a creative vision. i dont feel like she had something to tell. and not every artist has to, but it's what set marina apart. her vision. the way she always put herself in what she did

[Life 3,983]

eh was her production peak bc she had a really high budget and could express her vision to the maximum. this came with a bunch of downsides too, tho, as it was when she felt the most "constrained" and it's understandable: the more the industry gives you, the more the industry expects from you. I feel like TFJ and FROOT were equally good eras, bc in some way o another she still made up for it: TFj had iconic imagery and beautiful melodies, and it's when she was the most genuine and "relatable" (I don't value relatability but a lot of people do, so). FROOT had probably her best visuals, I loved the fact that the cover was kind of an acknowledgement to her gay fans and at the same time felt a lot like a trip to the 80s (Kate Bush teas). The single covers were amazing and the color palettes... like she invented colors. rainbow who? light who? spectrum who? radiation WHO??? Eh had peak production, great storytelling (mainly visual) and iconic songs. like all her eras were carefully crafted and they all have something iconic to them that you can instantly recognise.

when i look at F+L I find it really hard to do so.

the cover is ugly, she looks like a giraffe on crack and the b&w color pattern doesn't help. also, it's not a recurrent theme, the b&w, it's limited to the cover and HH, while during the past eras there was always a recurrent element that made everything make sense with the rest.

Superstar cover is... a cropped picture. slay i guess?

the songs are cute, they are not bad songs and i can bop to them i guess (apart from superstar. thats bad), but it just feels deeply underwhelming. like if any other artist came up with this id be like: ok sis nice outfit. but this has no creative vision. none. at all. when you look at the project from afar, what do you see?

when i look at TFJ from afar i see a young, #relatable, talented girl with high expectations and a desperate need to prove other people wrong. shes cute and makes bops and occasional social commentary. work merna!

when i look at EH I see a slightly older, more mature, very dissatisfied, talented singer who wants to completely turn her career around and explore how women have been socialised in the american society. she employs a rich, bubblegum production and incredible visuals. ICONIC STORYTELLING. slay

when i look at FROOT I see a mature, happy, peaceful talented singer who feels satisfied with what she has and no longer craves for fame. she's living her life and beefing with charli XCX on twitter bc that's literally her worst problem. she has found what she had been looking for in herself, not in others, and wants to express this feeling to the rest of the world with a more intimate production, a better outlook on the word and at times iconic lyricism. her visuals are on fleek. kate bush WHO?? 

 

when i look at F+L i see nothing. i see some nice songs, a nice production and a nice cover. but that's it. i dont feel like she had a creative vision. i dont feel like she had something to tell. and not every artist has to, but it's what set marina apart. her vision. the way she always put herself in what she did

 

i mean, this is some tea. i feel like with F+L you can tell she's struggled for a few years to get her creative juices flowing - it almost feels like this is a reset for her (along with the name change)? like, it's an album/two EP's you'd expect from a new artist. are they good? sure. does it blow your scalp to venus? not quite. it feels like she's rediscovering herself in the way a brand new artist putting out music would discover themselves, rather than someone who's on their 4th album. that's how i'm looking at it anyway and why i'm not going too hard on her, because this whole era very much feels like a giant reset button.

[Masochism 15,401]

 

i mean, this is some tea. i feel like with F+L you can tell she's struggled for a few years to get her creative juices flowing - it almost feels like this is a reset for her (along with the name change)? like, it's an album/two EP's you'd expect from a new artist. are they good? sure. does it blow your scalp to venus? not quite. it feels like she's rediscovering herself in the way a brand new artist putting out music would discover themselves, rather than someone who's on their 4th album. that's how i'm looking at it anyway and why i'm not going too hard on her, because this whole era very much feels like a giant reset button.

 

yes, i agree. it feels like a new debut or something. with the name change she entered this new character and now she became a whole new persona and she's about to release her first album.

[MoonAgain 872]

superstar, handmade heaven, and end of the earth are solid songs, but the rest of love feels very generic