Venice Peach 54,289 Posted January 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Thunder Revenant said: I'm so tired of this romanticized "fame treated her badly ;(" narrative both Lana and the fan culture are pushing. Yeah, media was harsh during BTD/P and of course fame can be tough. But please, can we stop with that narrative of her being exposed to attention against her will? But it's true tho. She wanted fame and to get recognized in her early days and when she got it with BTD she realized it was not for her and that's why she tries to keep a lower profile now. She's not 24/7 talking and crying about it in interviews. She mentions it every now and then and in some of her songs but that's what music is for, to express herself. It's clear that all she wants now is to release music and if she wasn't signed to a major label I'm sure we wouldn't be getting anything other than the actual music as a ~ yearly digital drop. 16 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rico25 7,877 Posted January 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, terrenceszyou said: But it's not like Lana was just criticized for her performance on SNL and that was it. She was criticized a while ago for a mask used in a clip, placements on Instagram, scandal of alleged racism, etc. In the Lust for life era, things were better, but it's amazing how everything got worse to the point where she deleted social media. I know it was very difficult for Lana to work through all this before and it is now again. Let's allow her to talk about it. I believe she still has a lot to talk about - and deserves it. Exactly The lazy Cancel culture tried to come for her, she was also body shamed and called a Karen for a while, was or has been criticized for being "fake" since BTD on top of having an actual stalker 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted Member 23,727 Posted January 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Thunder Revenant said: I'm so tired of this romanticized "fame treated her badly ;(" narrative both Lana and the fan culture are pushing. Yeah, media was harsh during BTD/P and of course fame can be tough. But please, can we stop with that narrative of her being exposed to attention against her will? i think a lot of it is that the negative attention she received wasn’t just tabloid stuff; it was unfair and irrelevant and not about the music at all. it was attacking her own sense of self. going back and re-reading things journalists would ask her early in her career today, it’s fucking gross and it was never about the music, and other artists, especially men, weren’t asked the kinds of questions she was. i didn’t think much of it when i was younger but it’s so weird and disgusting looking back on, Lana has every right to be pissed about how they treated her. nobody ever asks for that, no matter what kind of career they want Spoiler Then, really without warning, her mood shifts. It’s a powerful thing, palpable in the room, like a sudden mass of threatening clouds. Her eyes seem to turn a shade darker: Trust no one. I ask, perversely, about “Fucked My Way Up to the Top,” one of Ultraviolence‘s best songs, which attacks an unnamed imitator who didn’t have to go through the gauntlet Del Rey did. It may be about Lorde, who criticized Del Rey’s lyrics but has a not-dissimilar vocal style. She just released the song yesterday, but she doesn’t want to talk about it. “Now you are annoying me,” she says, half-trying to sound like she’s kidding. She lights a cigarette, looking miserable. We begin an agonizing, endless meta-conversation about our interview and her relationship with the press. “I find the nature of the questions difficult,” she says. ”‘Cause it’s not like I’m a rock band and you’re asking how everything got made and what it’s like touring in arenas and what are the girls like. It’s about my father. It’s about my mental health. It’s fucking personal. And these questions all have negative inferences: It’s just like, ‘SNL. Do you actually want to kill yourself?’ … Maybe I’m sensitive. Do you think?” That’s when she says she doesn’t want to be on the cover of Rolling Stone anymore. She also says, “What you write won’t matter” – meaning that nothing will change her detractors’ minds about her. It goes on and on. “You hit all my more sensitive weaknesses, all my Achilles’ heels. You’re asking all the right questions. I just really don’t want to answer them.” Every attempt to talk her off this rhetorical ledge seems to make it worse. Del Rey stands up, in a distinct “time to go” gesture. “I definitely presented myself well, and that’s all I’ve ever done,” she says, walking me downstairs. “And that’s never really gotten me anywhere. I’m just uncomfortable, and it has nothing to do with you.” Stepping out, I try to convince her that her crisis of confidence over the interview is no big deal. It is, again, the wrong thing to say. “It’s not a crisis of confidence, it’s not,” she says, standing in the doorway. “I am confident.” Her eyes are ablaze with hurt and pride. “I am.” She says goodbye, and shuts the door. 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mlittle11 12,213 Posted January 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, lilac heaven said: i think a lot of it is that the negative attention she received wasn’t just tabloid stuff; it was unfair and irrelevant and not about the music at all. it was attacking her own sense of self. going back and re-reading things journalists would ask her early in her career today, it’s fucking gross and it was never about the music, and other artists, especially men, weren’t asked the kinds of questions she was. i didn’t think much of it when i was younger but it’s so weird and disgusting looking back on, Lana has every right to be pissed about how they treated her. nobody ever asks for that, no matter what kind of career they want Reveal hidden contents Then, really without warning, her mood shifts. It’s a powerful thing, palpable in the room, like a sudden mass of threatening clouds. Her eyes seem to turn a shade darker: Trust no one. I ask, perversely, about “Fucked My Way Up to the Top,” one of Ultraviolence‘s best songs, which attacks an unnamed imitator who didn’t have to go through the gauntlet Del Rey did. It may be about Lorde, who criticized Del Rey’s lyrics but has a not-dissimilar vocal style. She just released the song yesterday, but she doesn’t want to talk about it. “Now you are annoying me,” she says, half-trying to sound like she’s kidding. She lights a cigarette, looking miserable. We begin an agonizing, endless meta-conversation about our interview and her relationship with the press. “I find the nature of the questions difficult,” she says. ” ‘Cause it’s not like I’m a rock band and you’re asking how everything got made and what it’s like touring in arenas and what are the girls like. It’s about my father. It’s about my mental health. It’s fucking personal. And these questions all have negative inferences: It’s just like, ‘SNL. Do you actually want to kill yourself?’ … Maybe I’m sensitive. Do you think?” That’s when she says she doesn’t want to be on the cover of Rolling Stone anymore. She also says, “What you write won’t matter” – meaning that nothing will change her detractors’ minds about her. It goes on and on. “You hit all my more sensitive weaknesses, all my Achilles’ heels. You’re asking all the right questions. I just really don’t want to answer them.” Every attempt to talk her off this rhetorical ledge seems to make it worse. Del Rey stands up, in a distinct “time to go” gesture. “I definitely presented myself well, and that’s all I’ve ever done,” she says, walking me downstairs. “And that’s never really gotten me anywhere. I’m just uncomfortable, and it has nothing to do with you.” Stepping out, I try to convince her that her crisis of confidence over the interview is no big deal. It is, again, the wrong thing to say. “It’s not a crisis of confidence, it’s not,” she says, standing in the doorway. “I am confident.” Her eyes are ablaze with hurt and pride. “I am.” She says goodbye, and shuts the door. wow… i forget sometimes how horrible it was. they treated her like a zoo animal n not like an actual human being. 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluedealer 4,935 Posted January 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, lilac heaven said: i think a lot of it is that the negative attention she received wasn’t just tabloid stuff; it was unfair and irrelevant and not about the music at all. it was attacking her own sense of self. going back and re-reading things journalists would ask her early in her career today, it’s fucking gross and it was never about the music, and other artists, especially men, weren’t asked the kinds of questions she was. i didn’t think much of it when i was younger but it’s so weird and disgusting looking back on, Lana has every right to be pissed about how they treated her. nobody ever asks for that, no matter what kind of career they want Reveal hidden contents Then, really without warning, her mood shifts. It’s a powerful thing, palpable in the room, like a sudden mass of threatening clouds. Her eyes seem to turn a shade darker: Trust no one. I ask, perversely, about “Fucked My Way Up to the Top,” one of Ultraviolence‘s best songs, which attacks an unnamed imitator who didn’t have to go through the gauntlet Del Rey did. It may be about Lorde, who criticized Del Rey’s lyrics but has a not-dissimilar vocal style. She just released the song yesterday, but she doesn’t want to talk about it. “Now you are annoying me,” she says, half-trying to sound like she’s kidding. She lights a cigarette, looking miserable. We begin an agonizing, endless meta-conversation about our interview and her relationship with the press. “I find the nature of the questions difficult,” she says. ”‘Cause it’s not like I’m a rock band and you’re asking how everything got made and what it’s like touring in arenas and what are the girls like. It’s about my father. It’s about my mental health. It’s fucking personal. And these questions all have negative inferences: It’s just like, ‘SNL. Do you actually want to kill yourself?’ … Maybe I’m sensitive. Do you think?” That’s when she says she doesn’t want to be on the cover of Rolling Stone anymore. She also says, “What you write won’t matter” – meaning that nothing will change her detractors’ minds about her. It goes on and on. “You hit all my more sensitive weaknesses, all my Achilles’ heels. You’re asking all the right questions. I just really don’t want to answer them.” Every attempt to talk her off this rhetorical ledge seems to make it worse. Del Rey stands up, in a distinct “time to go” gesture. “I definitely presented myself well, and that’s all I’ve ever done,” she says, walking me downstairs. “And that’s never really gotten me anywhere. I’m just uncomfortable, and it has nothing to do with you.” Stepping out, I try to convince her that her crisis of confidence over the interview is no big deal. It is, again, the wrong thing to say. “It’s not a crisis of confidence, it’s not,” she says, standing in the doorway. “I am confident.” Her eyes are ablaze with hurt and pride. “I am.” She says goodbye, and shuts the door. what the hell was that interview wow is it real what year is this from 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted Member 23,727 Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, bluedealer said: what the hell was that interview wow is it real what year is this from it’s her Rolling Stone cover story from 2014. the first thing the journalist asked her was “on a scale of 1-10, how much do you wish you were dead right now” https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lana-del-rey-the-saddest-baddest-diva-in-rock-179412/amp/ 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrenceszyou 1,327 Posted January 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, Rico25 said: Exactly The lazy Cancel culture tried to come for her, she was also body shamed and called a Karen for a while, was or has been criticized for being "fake" since BTD on top of having an actual stalker She has been very strong. Every artist somehow earns his pocket change from fame, but what he did with it was always very delicate. I, as a person, feel awful when I'm judged negatively, and it's extremely exhausting (and unfair) to have to prove we're not who we're told we are. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluedealer 4,935 Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, lilac heaven said: it’s her Rolling Stone cover story from 2014. the first thing the journalist asked her was “on a scale of 1-10, how much do you wish you were dead right now” https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lana-del-rey-the-saddest-baddest-diva-in-rock-179412/amp/ wow I don't remember that one I was probably too young to understand. Oh god this is disgusting. Especially that part 'Del Rey has never been in therapy' like who the fuck ask such personal questions. What the hell.... 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evalionisameme 13,888 Posted January 3, 2023 She has fans trying to kill, rob and kidnap her every year-let’s not act like it isn’t hell to be Lana sometimes 3 minutes ago, bluedealer said: wow I don't remember that one I was probably too young to understand. Oh god this is disgusting. Especially that part 'Del Rey has never been in therapy' like who the fuck ask such personal questions. What the hell.... questions are asked like this constantly and she has every right to say no or she can answer… tbh from the audio the interviewer didn’t really twist any of her answers but was too personal for my liking 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeyBlueBaby 3,330 Posted January 3, 2023 Lana herself said in The Guardian that she felt the media’s attack on her during her debut was personal. That was in 2014. With statements she’s made since then, it’s safe to assume she still feels the same way, and she may be right. But I’m tired of her always feeling the need to retort to the critics….but it gave us UV & BB so I guess I can’t complain too much. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeminiLanaFan 48,869 Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, bluedealer said: wow I don't remember that one I was probably too young to understand. Oh god this is disgusting. Especially that part 'Del Rey has never been in therapy' like who the fuck ask such personal questions. What the hell.... 9 minutes ago, lilac heaven said: it’s her Rolling Stone cover story from 2014. the first thing the journalist asked her was “on a scale of 1-10, how much do you wish you were dead right now” https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lana-del-rey-the-saddest-baddest-diva-in-rock-179412/amp/ It’s a tough article to read, these days. Not that that interview was superbly conducted at all, but we’ve come a long way on how we talk about mental health. No way that some questions would be asked today. And I don’t want to give a complete absolution to Lana either: she had been misquoted or said problematic stuff in some interviews, there were rumours about her not wanting to tour, plus that interview was after UV (we still had no idea who she really was at that time, if she was this destructive girl that would burn out or if her albums were only a part of her and not the whole thing) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted Member 23,727 Posted January 3, 2023 it’s really interesting noticing the direct parallels between what she said in interviews almost a decade ago and lyrics now. like, “I definitely presented myself well, and that’s all I’ve ever done,” she says, walking me downstairs. “And that’s never really gotten me anywhere. I’m just uncomfortable, and it has nothing to do with you.” from that 2014 Rolling Stone profile, and then Swisher Sweet magazines, promise you it's not ‘cause of you that I'm mean, it's my afterthoughts And what I never said, why there's a price on my head It's nothing to do with them, it's my karmic lineage in Black Bathing Suit. it actually kinda sounds like that lyric is specifically referencing the Rolling Stone interview 15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taco Truck x VB 3,595 Posted January 3, 2023 there’s something in my wind.. i can feel it blowing in (scat) 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted Member 23,727 Posted January 3, 2023 Just now, bewhitehotforever said: there’s something in my wind.. i can feel it blowing in (scat) track list coming soon confirmed 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillrun 3,380 Posted January 3, 2023 5 hours ago, bambi eyes said: anyone else miss her blonde chemtrails era?? i feel like the blonde hair suited her so well and she shouldve kept it longer, its one of my favorite looks of hers. either way, lana looks gorgeous with any hair color whoaaaaa i love this picture. i think that hair color really suits her. 5 Quote last.fm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terrence Loves Me 72,645 Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, evalionisameme said: She has fans trying to kill, rob and kidnap her every year-let’s not act like it isn’t hell to be Lana sometimes lmao i thought this said she had fans trying to kill rob and i was like what did poor rob do 16 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fetiche 1,417 Posted January 3, 2023 Omg?? I knew about her cover of Some Things Last a Long Time but I had no idea they met before Daniel’s passing 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Jaeden xx 7,136 Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, For K said: Literally. I understand her hesitation and all of the complications of figuring out payouts for all her former producers if she made an unreleased album but she really should. The problem is she has enough unreleased songs to make 20+ albums at minimum Bringing it to random discussion thread, but I think she could do an unreleased box set like this Lana Del Rey the unreleased collection Part 1: Cute Pop Tracks Meet Me In The Pale Moonlight, She's Not Me, BBM Baby, Playing Dangerous, You Can Be The Boss, St. Tropez, Queen of Disaster, Hollywood & maybe even some popular demos like the Diet Mountain Dew demos Part 2: Other Kinda Pop Tracks Serial Killer, Kill Kill, Ridin, Hundred Dollar Bill, Smarty, You Can be The Boss, Prom Song, Kinda Outta Luck, TV I Black & White Part 2: Slower Tracks Yes To Heaven, Pawn Shop Blues, Fine China, Dragonslayer, Crazy For You, California Part 3: Ultraviolence/Angry Tracks Your Girl, Velvet Crowbar Part 4: Something maybe a demos section or unheard unreleased section 5 Quote ~Mon amour, je sais que tu m'aimes aussi ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites