2024 US Presidential Election - Kamala Harris/Tim Walz vs. Donald Trump/J.D. Vance

[baddisease 16,930]

17 hours ago, grandpas glass said:

he's literally the antichrist

 

 

AGREED! But my hyperchristian evangelistic pentacosta parents love Trump for some reason.

 

1 hour ago, Ice Cream Ice Queen said:

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but it really bothers me that Kamala is so quickly being ushered in to be the nominee for this election. The Democratic Party needs to hold another primary ASAP. Just because Joe dropped out, doesn’t mean Kamala can just walk in and replace him as a candidate. The American people have the right to elect a new candidate, and if they aren’t given that right, our democracy is in question. 
 

I know Kamala isn’t officially the new presidential candidate or anything as of this moment, but I have a feeling there are plans for that behind closed doors. Hopefully I’m wrong though and democratic voters will have a voice in this.

 

I agree but it'll never happen

 

1 hour ago, taco truck said:

That tweet is clearly a joke/bait 😭😭

 

tbh I'm bad at telling that.

 

1 hour ago, Wait For Life said:

I really hope democrats realize how inept and hollow-headed Kamala Harris is and elect a different nominee. Hillary Clinton was a much better candidate than Kamala.

 

I agree with the first part but Hillary was evil.

 

1 hour ago, Veinsineon said:

Lots of opinions here about Kamala Harris as a person- and not as a Presidential candidate, for sure. 
 

 

Like gimme 3 policy u don’t like QUICK

 

Do her actions in her previous positions count for anything?

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28 minutes ago, Ice Cream Ice Queen said:

Yeah, there isn’t time unfortunately. But an online primary or something would be better than none at all. Then again, I don’t know if I would really trust an online primary.

 

But I have to say it’s hard for me to believe that Biden dropping out of the race at this time wasn’t somewhat planned. I mean, did him or his team really expect him to stay or, if he was re-elected, be able to carry out his full term? To me, this seems like a premeditated attempt to put Kamala on the ballot this November. 
 

Democrats overall do seem to be uniting for Kamala, which will be good for the party in the short-term, but as I said, this is concerning to me as far as our democracy goes and nobody seems to be questioning it.

an online primary wouldve probably backfired tbh republicans would’ve painted it as democrats wanting to turn the whole voting process to be online 

 

yeah Biden is strategic and this probably was premeditated to some degree. i think if Kamala was rejected by the party leaders and other democrats then they would’ve propped someone else up, but everyone seemed to unite behind her.

 

but i am with you, for the past 3 elections it seems like we’re being forced to vote for the short term because “vote blue no matter who”, it’s time we get someone who we want to vote for for reasons other than they’re not Trump

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1 hour ago, Veinsineon said:

Lots of opinions here about Kamala Harris as a person- and not as a Presidential candidate, for sure. 
 

 

Like gimme 3 policy u don’t like QUICK

I’m pretty sure a presidential candidate IS a person.. not sure though 😂

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1 hour ago, baddisease said:

Do her actions in her previous positions count for anything?

I wouldn't say they don't. She has a decorated career. Sure she hasn't always appealed to progressive voters, but she has literally been as progressive and accomplished as anyone CAN be in the 2 party system. She hasn't even been officiated as the Democratic nominee and yet she's already spoken on the need for a 2 state solution / end to the senseless killing. The need to protect the right to women's choice- the need for unions, the intention to codify the john lewis voting rights act, the intention to enforce gun safety measures,,,,, etc. All of which are considered "radical" by today's standards. 

 

Bonus!!! She's 59... meaning she has all the time in the world to take accountability for past transgressions, and display growth of character !!
Something a certain 79 year old cannot and WILL NOT do! 



Literally the only problem most progressives have with her atp is her ties to AIPAC. Something she has spoken about wanting to change, butttt obviously we'd have to see the administration follow through in order to see it realized. Something uncommitted voters should consider! 

[Mer 58,945]

2 hours ago, Veinsineon said:

Lots of opinions here about Kamala Harris as a person- and not as a Presidential candidate, for sure. 
 

 

Like gimme 3 policy u don’t like QUICK

 

Non-exhaustive list of Harris Policies: 

• Pro Abortion 
• Pro Affirmative Action 
• Against capital punishment, and as Attorney General's she reduced jail time handed out for marijuana related crimes (possession)
  • People love to tout that overall convictions for marijuana went up under her tenure, which is true, but she actively worked to keep people out of jail
• As Senator, co-sponsored a bill that would legalize weed at the federal level 
• Supports student-loan forgiveness, and argued that all student loans going forward should only have interest = inflation 
  • as of 2024, 950,000 people have had their student loans forgiven by the Biden-Harris administration 
• Was given an "F" by the NRA  
• Supports DACA
• Against border wall 
• Refused to defend Prop-8 in court during her time as a prosecutor 
  • Has been pro Gay-marriage since 2007, which is long before Biden and almost any other Democrat was
• In 2015 tried to block gender-affirming care of a transgender inmate serving in a California Prison 
• In 2016, was against the decriminalization of sex work, but in 2019, softened her stance and clarified that she's more interested in going after Pimp's and John's (similar to the Nordic Approach) 
• Supported Medicare for all 
• Has been Pro-Union since at least 2010
• Supports tax cuts for middle-class, while upping taxes on upper classes/corporations 

 

Too tired to dig into her Foreign Policy rn 

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6 minutes ago, Mer said:

 

Too tired to dig into her Foreign Policy rn 

I think we definitely see a contrast to the biden admin already! With her refusal to preside over Bibi's State Of The Union, and swift change in vernacular in regards to the issue after her face to face meeting just two days later!    nothing but hope at the moment

 

 

 

Not Going Back !!!

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2 hours ago, Veinsineon said:

Lots of opinions here about Kamala Harris as a person- and not as a Presidential candidate, for sure. 
 

 

Like gimme 3 policy u don’t like QUICK

All they got is:

 

She made decisions in the distant past as a prosecutor that may have been too harsh. Quick to forget Biden and the crime bill of the 90s? Times have changed. I’m not saying that Biden or Harris is perfect, but 20 years from now, you can easily look back and say that we were wrong, and/or that the majority opinion was wrong. P.S., the parent point isn’t really a policy, unless you say it was her policy as a prosecutor. 
 

She enabled “Genocide Joe.” I’m not going to touch this one because I am not educated enough on foreign policy to comment and I don’t agree with that framing of the matter.

 

She’s too far left/right. This is funny because you have Fox News and MAGA loyalists saying she’s a socialist, but you have some progressives saying she’s too far right. 
 

Full disclosure: I do not agree with any of these. I fully support Kamala for president. I would have liked to see her be less harsh on non-violent criminals in the past, but I can’t wait to see her take down Trump, from a prosecutorial mindset. Plus I think her administration would be lightyears better for our country and our world than four years of Trump. Additionally, I don’t think there’s a viable third party option, so not voting for her, in no opinion, is effectively one less vote against Trump. 

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1 hour ago, Mer said:

 

Non-exhaustive list of Harris Policies: 

• Pro Abortion 
• Pro Affirmative Action 
• Against capital punishment, and as Attorney General's she reduced jail time handed out for marijuana related crimes (possession)
  • People love to tout that overall convictions for marijuana went up under her tenure, which is true, but she actively worked to keep people out of jail
• As Senator, co-sponsored a bill that would legalize weed at the federal level 
• Supports student-loan forgiveness, and argued that all student loans going forward should only have interest = inflation 
  • as of 2024, 950,000 people have had their student loans forgiven by the Biden-Harris administration 
• Was given an "F" by the NRA  
• Supports DACA
• Against border wall 
• Refused to defend Prop-8 in court during her time as a prosecutor 
  • Has been pro Gay-marriage since 2007, which is long before Biden and almost any other Democrat was
• In 2015 tried to block gender-affirming care of a transgender inmate serving in a California Prison 
• In 2016, was against the decriminalization of sex work, but in 2019, softened her stance and clarified that she's more interested in going after Pimp's and John's (similar to the Nordic Approach) 
• Supported Medicare for all 
• Has been Pro-Union since at least 2010
• Supports tax cuts for middle-class, while upping taxes on upper classes/corporations 

 

Too tired to dig into her Foreign Policy rn 

 

About the bolded:

Re trans care: did she ever apologize or fix it? If the answer is no, fuck her.

Re sex work: going after clients only hurts sex workers. the only good position is full decriminalization. 

 

57 minutes ago, Quincy said:

All they got is:

 

She made decisions in the distant past as a prosecutor that may have been too harsh. Quick to forget Biden and the crime bill of the 90s? Times have changed. I’m not saying that Biden or Harris is perfect, but 20 years from now, you can easily look back and say that we were wrong, and/or that the majority opinion was wrong. P.S., the parent point isn’t really a policy, unless you say it was her policy as a prosecutor. 

 

Biden and the 90s Crime Bill were opposed and shown to be wrong *in the 90s* by activists. The people who should have listened ignored it.

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8 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

About the bolded:

Re trans care: did she ever apologize or fix it? If the answer is no, fuck her.

Re sex work: going after clients only hurts sex workers. the only good position is full decriminalization. 

 

 

Biden and the 90s Crime Bill were opposed and shown to be wrong *in the 90s* by activists. The people who should have listened ignored it.

That’s what I mean. Some people who preferred Biden are going after Harris for similar positions they both had and it’s hypocritical. 
 

I’m probably way more left on many issues than most democrats (sex work, drug legalization/decriminalization, etc.) but I’m not a purist in the sense that I’ll vote for candidates who aren’t as progressive as my stance. Assuming they are moving more in the right direction than the alternative. Sometimes incremental change is better than no change, or by moving backward. (Like the Republican Party is doing)

 

Also, if you think Kamala is against trans people, come on. Obama was against gay marriage for a long time. Does that mean he is homophobic? Does that mean his position didn’t change?
 

Progressive, by definition, means evolving and moving forward. I’ll take some progress over retrogradation, any day. 

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11 minutes ago, Quincy said:

That’s what I mean. Some people who preferred Biden are going after Harris for similar positions they both had and it’s hypocritical. 
 

I’m probably way more left on many issues than most democrats (sex work, drug legalization/decriminalization, etc.) but I’m not a purist in the sense that I’ll vote for candidates who aren’t as progressive as my stance. Assuming they are moving more in the right direction than the alternative. Sometimes incremental change is better than no change, or by moving backward. (Like the Republican Party is doing)

 

Also, if you think Kamala is against trans people, come on. Obama was against gay marriage for a long time. Does that mean he is homophobic? Does that mean his position didn’t change?
 

Progressive, by definition, means evolving and moving forward. I’ll take some progress over retrogradation, any day. 

it's people like you who will help flip the midwest!! <3 i commend your rationale! 

[Mer 58,945]

23 minutes ago, baddisease said:

Re trans care: did she ever apologize or fix it? If the answer is no, fuck her.

Re sex work: going after clients only hurts sex workers. the only good position is full decriminalization.

I’m not a Harris campaign spokesperson, and I urge ppl to do their own research on issues that matter most to them - but I believe she is pro-trans and pro-gender affirming healthcare currently. 

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Some of you really lack critical thinking. Like Hillary Clinton is not your friend. Anyways I’m with Kamala.

[X8vinylScratchX 3,434]

Leftists: I’m not voting for COPmala 😤😤

 

Also Leftists: How dafuq Trump win 4 more years?

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Just now, X8vinylScratchX said:

Leftists: I’m not voting for COPmala 😤😤

 

Also Leftists: How dafuq Trump win 4 more years?

If there’s one thing about the “woke” liberals it’s the fact they LOVE to set themselves up through acts like voting independent because the democratic nominee has a shady history when it comes to stuff like trans rights, immigration, random inconsequential social issues. lmfao. It’s the truth.

[Dark Angel 198,093]

all i'll say is... no matter what kamala harris has done in the past... NONE OF IT could ever compare to what donald trump/the heritage foundation wants for our country, and i promise you than when she's in office, she isn't going to do anything to harm transgender individuals, you cannot say the same about donald trump! we have to look at the bigger picture and not worry so much about every single miniscule thing about someone, nobody's perfect, people sometimes do the wrong things and make mistakes, but democrats are not going to take away the rights of trans people, that's literally the thing about the democratic party is that they are more forward compared to republicans, even if they aren't technically that progressive

 

kamala harris has my full support, i would feel so much safer with her than donald trump, the diet mountain dew-drinking couch-fucker j.d vance who straight-up lied about coming from poverty in appalachia while at the same time putting down actual appalachians, or majority of the supreme court

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13 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

all i'll say is... no matter what kamala harris has done in the past... NONE OF IT could ever compare to what donald trump/the heritage foundation wants for our country, and i promise you than when she's in office, she isn't going to do anything to harm transgender individuals, you cannot say the same about donald trump! we have to look at the bigger picture and not worry so much about every single miniscule thing about someone, nobody's perfect, people sometimes do the wrong things and make mistakes, but democrats are not going to take away the rights of trans people, that's literally the thing about the democratic party is that they are more forward compared to republicans, even if they aren't technically that progressive

 

kamala harris has my full support, i would feel so much safer with her than donald trump, the diet mountain dew-drinking couch-fucker j.d vance who straight-up lied about coming from poverty in appalachia while at the same time putting down actual appalachians, or majority of the supreme court

Wait so what is it with that man and the couch?

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2 minutes ago, Lanaparadiserey said:

Wait so what is it with that man and the couch?

 

apparently he wrote in his memoir that he... had sex with his couch

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1 minute ago, Dark Angel said:

 

apparently he wrote in his memoir that he... had sex with his couch

Oh

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”don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”

[Mer 58,945]

16 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

apparently he wrote in his memoir that he... had sex with his couch

 

12 minutes ago, Lanaparadiserey said:

Oh

I hate JD Vance as much as the next person this thread but it’s not even true and he didn’t write about this in his book (or otherwise admit to having fucked a couch) 💀💀 It’s essentially a “Lea Michele can’t read” level shitpost.