American Politics Thread

[cheaptrailertrashglm 3,607]

27 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

If anyone "disagrees" with trans rights, they can fuck all the way off.

How does this have anything to do with trans rights? Everyone agrees that they deserve the same rights as anyone else 

[jaesana 3,962]

Wait I’m confused are we having an argument about free speech on Lanaboards or giant social media platforms like X or Meta?

 

I 1000% support the censorship of people on this platform who are racist or anti-LGBTQ lol this is Lanaboards not congress. You definitely should be banned from this forum if you’re mean or saying harmful things lol 

[cheaptrailertrashglm 3,607]

3 minutes ago, jaesana said:

Wait I’m confused are we having an argument about free speech on Lanaboards or giant social media platforms like X or Meta?

 

I 1000% support the censorship of people on this platform who are racist or anti-LGBTQ lol this is Lanaboards not congress. You definitely should be banned from this forum if you’re mean or saying harmful things lol 

I think we’re talking about speech as a whole it sounds like. Elle can run her website however she wants

[ultrabanisters 47,198]

8 minutes ago, jaesana said:

I 1000% support the censorship of people on this platform who are racist or anti-LGBTQ lol this is Lanaboards not congress. You definitely should be banned from this forum if you’re mean or saying harmful things lol 

 

not necessarily in response to this post, but just to add on

 

without generalising, if were being honest, most of the community on this site are part of the lgbtq+ community, and as such, we have a duty to keep the site as welcoming as possible to encourage cohesion amongst users and to prevent users leaving the site (which happens way more often that necessary). the problem arises when people say things that are against the grain of the majorities opinion (which don’t get me wrong, they are within their rights to hold that opinion) and resort to personal attacks

 

i feel there is a major connect between right wingers and the need to scream and shout with name calling and personal attacks when they run out of things to argue about. that is why people get warned. not because they hold certain views (unless it is literally nazi'ism..), but because the second you begin to harrass other users is the second you breach the site rules. as niko said, alluding to someone being on crack for holding an opinion is not constructive, nor is it fair on someone sharing an opinion in the same manner you are doing. i’m sure if somebody began quoting your posts with 'you must be on drugs' or 'you are braindead' you would be a little peeved.. 

 

we are well within our rights as a private forum to have whatever rules we choose, just as X chooses to favour right leaning viewpoints and censors the word 'cis' for some reason. the mod team has had a fair bit of harrassment in the past (especially on occasions in '23) around how people were not getting censored enough. niko put it well where he said we were stuck because were damned if we do and were damned if we don’t. at the end of the day, we go by how elle wants to run her site, because it is her site

 

as i have said before, it is all peace and love, and there are not personal vendettas against anyone meaning the site rules are as they are and they will be put against all users fairly

[jaesana 3,962]

I personally have no problem with right-wingers who feel they’re being censored on this platform (or most sites, frankly) because the entire world tends to cater to their worldview and LGBT folks should have places to feel safe and welcome for a single moment in their day which is most likely being bombarded with anti-trans propaganda 

[DCooper 37,373]

I'm all for free speech, but some of you are way too eager to defend the rights of stupid bigots spreading evil rhetoric and it's not a good look. Like I think we can all agree free speech is important in general, so why get so worked up on lanaboards.com insisting that we must ensure that ignorant and cruel losers maintain their right to hate too. Like sure duh equal rights for all, but it's a strange hill to die on on this particular forum.

[cheaptrailertrashglm 3,607]

7 minutes ago, DCooper said:

I'm all for free speech, but some of you are way too eager to defend the rights of stupid bigots spreading evil rhetoric and it's not a good look. Like I think we can all agree free speech is important in general, so why get so worked up on lanaboards.com insisting that we must ensure that ignorant and cruel losers maintain their right to hate too. Like sure duh equal rights for all, but it's a strange hill to die on on this particular forum.

Because if you limit theirs you limit your own.

It means you can’t call them bigots, nazis, etc.even if they are.  

[Candy Necklace 8,615]

I don’t think I’ve seen any discussion yet on Biden’s farewell speeches, what is everyone’s thoughts?

[jaesana 3,962]

17 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

I don’t think I’ve seen any discussion yet on Biden’s farewell speeches, what is everyone’s thoughts?

Good riddance

[Mer 63,354]

18 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

I don’t think I’ve seen any discussion yet on Biden’s farewell speeches, what is everyone’s thoughts?

In 4 years of him being President, I’ve not been able to watch him speak for longer than a few seconds. I don’t hate the guy by any means with any vitriol, but I cannot stand watching him stutter and stumble through his words 😭Reading the transcript, he made some good points but I felt the tone incredibly dark (which while not necessarily needless, I think he could’ve given some more hopecore to us before he leaves). 

[dexter 2,404]

I would like to know what policies Facebook will implement to add back free speech 🤔 Because it’s worked awfully with Twitter 

[ultrabanisters 47,198]

8 minutes ago, dexter said:

I would like to know what policies Facebook will implement to add back free speech 🤔 Because it’s worked awfully with Twitter 

well we can now call gay people mentally ill so all i can infer is that when the right say they want free speech what they really mean is that they just want to be a bigot without repercussions 

[bluechemtrails 27,771]

39 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

I don’t think I’ve seen any discussion yet on Biden’s farewell speeches, what is everyone’s thoughts?

His warning that an oligarchy of extreme wealth, power and influence threatens American democracy is 100% correct.

[NikoGo 62,429]

4 minutes ago, bluechemtrails said:

His warning that an oligarchy of extreme wealth, power and influence threatens American democracy is 100% correct.

ATP it’s not so much a warning as it was a dropping of the veil. There was 1 person with over 100 billion when he started and now there’s 16 (my source is TikTok so don’t @ me if that’s not accurate but it sounds believable). Anyone with half a brain could see where America is heading, especially when you look at all of Trump’s cabinet picks, and Biden’s speech was really just the start of them openly admitting it. 

[baddisease 18,065]

1 hour ago, cheaptrailertrashglm said:

Because if you limit theirs you limit your own.

It means you can’t call them bigots, nazis, etc.even if they are.  

 

If we limit their hate speech, we're limiting our rights. 

 

If we let them spout hate speech, that will be limiting our rights. 

 

Doesn't sound like there's any winning.

[jaesana 3,962]

36 minutes ago, ultrabanisters said:

well we can now call gay people mentally ill so all i can infer is that when the right say they want free speech what they really mean is that they just want to be a bigot without repercussions 

Or spread vaccine conspiracy theories 

[bluechemtrails 27,771]

40 minutes ago, NikoGo said:

ATP it’s not so much a warning as it was a dropping of the veil. There was 1 person with over 100 billion when he started and now there’s 16 (my source is TikTok so don’t @ me if that’s not accurate but it sounds believable). Anyone with half a brain could see where America is heading, especially when you look at all of Trump’s cabinet picks, and Biden’s speech was really just the start of them openly admitting it. 

seems to be true, I compared the Wikipedia list of 2020 and 2024 and it looks like every billionaire at the top has doubled their wealth in average.

[cheaptrailertrashglm 3,607]

1 hour ago, baddisease said:

 

If we limit their hate speech, we're limiting our rights. 

 

If we let them spout hate speech, that will be limiting our rights. 

 

Doesn't sound like there's any winning.

I’m honestly confused on how limiting speech limits your rights? Like I’m actually confused on this. 
 

1 hour ago, jaesana said:

Or spread vaccine conspiracy theories 

Which has always been so wild to me because Trump hasn’t shut up about vaccines, and taking them, since Covid started. 

1 hour ago, bluechemtrails said:

seems to be true, I compared the Wikipedia list of 2020 and 2024 and it looks like every billionaire at the top has doubled their wealth in average.

The rich are only gonna get richer and the middle class is going to keep disappearing. It’s a sad reality and I just have no idea what anyone can do to stop it

[Dark Angel 204,747]

for me, i find it complicated, i honestly don't believe people should be jailed for hate speech, i do not, at all, support, or condone hate speech, i find it abhorrent, and we should do everything we can to condemn it, but i just think arresting people or charging people for it is too controlling over what people do, but at the same time, i can totally understand why it's illegal in some countries, and i don't take any issue with people believing it shouldn't be allowed

 

i get the impression that banning hate speech could lead to other problems, what exactly do we define as hate speech? some examples would be obvious, such as saying slurs like the n-word, or the f-word, or flat-out saying you hate a particular group of people, but where does hate speech end, and where does it begin? should there be legal consequences for microaggressions? teenagers making immature jokes? saying words often targeted at women like bitch, whore, and cunt? and if it would be against the law to say you hate minorities, would it be okay to say you hate white people, straight people, men, ETC, or would that also be considered hate speech? some say it is, some say it isn't, i just feel like it could lead to issues regarding what is considered hate speech, what's worthy of legal consequences, and what's not, ETC, it would probably get even more complicated when you get into more specific issues like ageism, ableism, ETC i'm sure these aren't really issues in other countries, and if hate speech were criminalized in america, i doubt it would cause major problems in society, but i could see how it could lead to a lot of discourse and perhaps polarization about what is, or isn't allowed to be said, believed, or even thought

 

but at the end of the day, free speech doesn't evade you of being banned off of social media platforms, losing your job, or be ostracized by the people around you for what you say, and i'm sure you could get in trouble, or have the cops called on you if you just go out to public space with people around and start screaming the n-word, because it is incredibly offensive, derogatory, and scares people

 

idk, maybe i'm being ignorant, i just don't believe it should necessarily be criminalized for people to say bad things, i ultimately believe people should have the freedom to believe what they want, legally, but obviously it's silly to expect people to be openly derogatory and not be banned from social media platforms, which are allowed to decide what is and what isn't allowed on their platforms, many social media platforms also ban pornography or graphic violence, because most people don't want to see that, and also advertisers wouldn't like it, or to face consequences in other areas of their lives, like in their career

[cheaptrailertrashglm 3,607]

3 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

for me, i find it complicated, i honestly don't believe people should be jailed for hate speech, i do not, at all, support, or condone hate speech, i find it abhorrent, and we should do everything we can to condemn it, but i just think arresting or charging people for it is too controlling over what people do, but at the same time, i can totally understand why it's illegal in some countries, and i don't take any issue with people believing it shouldn't be allowed

 

i get the impression that banning hate speech could lead to other problems, what exactly do we define as hate speech? some examples would be obvious, such as saying slurs like the n-word, or the f-word, or flat-out saying you hate a particular group of people, but where does hate speech end, and where does it begin? should there be legal consequences for microaggressions? teenagers making immature jokes? saying words often targeted at like bitch, whore, and cunt? and if it would be against the law to say you hate minorities, would it be okay to say you hate white people, straight people, men, ETC, or would that also be considered hate speech? some say it is, some say it isn't, i just feel like it lead to issues regarding what is considered hate speech, what's worthy of legal consequence, ETC, it would probably get even more complicated when you get into more specific issues like ageism, ableism, ETC, i'm sure these aren't really issues in other countries, and if hate speech were criminalized in america, i doubt it would cause major problems in society, but i could see how it could lead to a lot of discourse and perhaps polarization about what is, or isn't allowed to be said, believed, or even thought

 

but at the end of the day, free speech doesn't evade you of being banned off of social media platforms, losing your job, or be ostracized by the people around you for what you say, and i'm sure you could get in trouble, or have the cops called on you if you just go out to public space with people around and start screaming the n-word, because it is incredibly offensive, derogatory, and scares people

 

idk, maybe i'm being ignorant, i just don't believe it should necessarily be criminal for people to say bad things, i ultimately believe people should have the freedoms to believe what they want, in a legal sense, but obviously it's silly to expect people to be openly derogatory and not be banned from social media platforms, or to face consequences in other areas of their lives, like in their career

you have all the same concerns I do about the whole ordeal but explained it way better than I could so thank you for sharing this.