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[Rorman Nockwell 53,854]

It's pathetic that anyone is pestering her for the album anyway, she'll post the pre-order whenever she's going to, not by being pushed to by fans. She definitely doesn't care or she'd have responded by now. It isn't her problem that some people are literally on the edge of their seats waiting for her to post something related to the album. I'm obsessed with Lana's music but there's a point where it becomes illogical to even try to get her attention. She's obv seen comments begging for the album pre-order, people should just wait... Everyone is going to have to regardless.

Ben, is that you?

[Chemtrail 2,838]

Ben, is that you?

Don't expose me I'm just trying to do my job but every time I call Lana she just laughs and hangs up. Will ask her about her Cumtrails album or whatever via text soon.

[MargaretThatcher 1,329]

It's pathetic that anyone is pestering her for the album anyway, she'll post the pre-order whenever she's going to, not by being pushed to by fans. She definitely doesn't care or she'd have responded by now. It isn't her problem that some people are literally on the edge of their seats waiting for her to post something related to the album. I'm obsessed with Lana's music but there's a point where it becomes illogical to even try to get her attention. She's obv seen comments begging for the album pre-order, people should just wait... Everyone is going to have to regardless.

 

And I keep saying the time of the release actually is not entirely Lana's decision. I know people don't want to hear this but its true. The record label makes the final decision on the release date. Of course the artist tells the label when they would like it released and of course the artist's manager pushes too. This is why I keep saying that I'm waiting for the date to be confirmed by Interscope and TaP Management. 

[Chemtrail 2,838]

And I keep saying the time of the release actually is not entirely Lana's decision. I know people don't want to hear this but its true. The record label makes the final decision on the release date. Of course the artist tells the label when they would like it released and of course the artist's manager pushes too. This is why I keep saying that I'm waiting for the date to be confirmed by Interscope and TaP Management. 

I'm not counting down the days personally, she released Violet a few weeks ago. We're all too obsessed with her music to be able to have many album releases without any speculation or hype so I'm just gonna enjoy it as Lana puts it out rather than obsess over it right now. I'd need a tracklist for that anyway. With all of that said I do shit myself when I get a notification from her on IG...

[MargaretThatcher 1,329]

I'm not counting down the days personally, she released Violet a few weeks ago. We're all too obsessed with her music to be able to have many album releases without any speculation or hype so I'm just gonna enjoy it as Lana puts it out rather than obsess over it right now. I'd need a tracklist for that anyway. With all of that said I do shit myself when I get a notification from her on IG...

 

There is really no point in counting down the days. Let's keep in mind that its only been a year since NFR and its only been a few weeks since Lana dropped her audiobook, plus the physical book is coming soon as well. The fact is Lana has been extremely generous with her art which is why I'm shocked that some people are actually complaining about when the album may or may not come out. 

 

I come from a musical family and people in my family have worked in the music business, so maybe I'm just all too used to how this all works. 

 

COTCC will come out when it comes out. I am pretty sure we will hear it sooner rather than later.

[Rorman Nockwell 53,854]

There is really no point in counting down the days. Let's keep in mind that its only been a year since NFR and its only been a few weeks since Lana dropped her audiobook, plus the physical book is coming soon as well. The fact is Lana has been extremely generous with her art which is why I'm shocked that some people are actually complaining about when the album may or may not come out. 

 

I come from a musical family and people in my family have worked in the music business, so maybe I'm just all too used to how this all works.

 

How what works? I'm genuinely curious to know what it is that you think you understand better than everyone else.

 

I'm pretty sure everyone on the site understands that the album is coming out on a specific date, believed to be September 5 at this point, because that's what Lana said.

[Chemtrail 2,838]

There is really no point in counting down the days. Let's keep in mind that its only been a year since NFR and its only been a few weeks since Lana dropped her audiobook, plus the physical book is coming soon as well. The fact is Lana has been extremely generous with her art which is why I'm shocked that some people are actually complaining about when the album may or may not come out. 

 

I come from a musical family and people in my family have worked in the music business, so maybe I'm just all too used to how this all works. 

 

COTCC will come out when it comes out. I am pretty sure we will hear it sooner rather than later.

She did say that her label was fine with her putting out albums whenever she wants to a few years ago so if everything's ready in time she'll probably do it. I still think that TJF post was her way of saying it's still coming because fans expected the announcement the day before.

[ArtDecoDelRey 15,253]

not that we should constantly be begging for new music, but i think we are sometimes justified in wanting quick releases because lana doesn't really go full out during her eras in general, she just doesn't operate in that way, so there's less content to hold fans over

[Chemtrail 2,838]

not that we should constantly be begging for new music, but i think we are sometimes justified in wanting quick releases because lana doesn't really go full out during her eras in general, she just doesn't operate in that way, so there's less content to hold fans over

 

Most fans just love her music and don't care about promo, that stuff is trivial. She released a poetry audiobook 2 weeks ago

[domandapiano 11,597]

not that we should constantly be begging for new music, but i think we are sometimes justified in wanting quick releases because lana doesn't really go full out during her eras in general, she just doesn't operate in that way, so there's less content to hold fans over

also she kinda breeds it herself when she immediately mentions working on the next album as soon as the last one is out, and then proceeds to mention a specific date that her new record is supposed to be released. I wouldn't feel as rabid about getting new Lana music if she had just kept quiet about the whole thing till it was all official. Honestly, I wouldn't be thinking much about Lana at all right now had she not said these things and MADE me think them. I'd just be patiently waiting for the new Kathleen Edwards, Sufjan Stevens, Fenne Lily, and all other things I'm looking forward to being released. 

[Rorman Nockwell 53,854]

Most fans just love her music and don't care about promo, that stuff is trivial. She released a poetry audiobook 2 weeks ago

Okay Ben but she had teased that shit since 2018, so it was kinda like NFR in that we were (too) familiar with the content before she actually released it. So even though it's newly released, it doesn't really feel new.

 

I personally prefer having nothing until it's actually released, except perhaps one lead single.

 

Whatever, though - if she starts snippeting it up on IG I will refrain from listening. I haven't listened to the TJF snippet since the day she dropped it.

 

Can someone please play it and see if it Shazams yet, though? Thanks

[MargaretThatcher 1,329]

How what works? I'm genuinely curious to know what it is that you think you understand better than everyone else.

 

I'm pretty sure everyone on the site understands that the album is coming out on a specific date, believed to be September 5 at this point, because that's what Lana said.

How it works? Okay, here is how it works;

 

1. Musician goes into the recording studio to record an album. Present in the studio is the producer(s) and engineer(s). Together they record the music.

2. After the music is recorded, it goes to the mixer who mixes the recording.

3. Then the recording goes to the mastering engineer who masters the recording. This is the final step. My father happens to be a Grammy-nominated mastering engineer so I have observed that process when I was growing up.

 

So at this point the production of the album is done. The artist, producers, engineers, mixers and mastering engineers have completed their tasks with recording the album.

 

Now it is heard by the artists team; their manager and agent. Then the record label hears it as it is presented to them by the artists team. Hopefully the record label is happy and doesn’t tell the artist that they can’t put it out there. Hopefully the artist is not told to go back into the studio to record something “radio friendly”. But this is why an artist has a manager and agent. They are supposed to ensure the label doesn’t give the artist a problem. If all goes well after the label hears it, then A&R does their thing and works on a plan for getting the album out there. So then comes marketing, promotional strategy etc. The artists manager works with the label on this hopefully.

 

Also you need the album artwork so a photo shoot happens. The label sees that too, they make sure to green light that.

 

So after all these things I mentioned above are resolved and planned out, then comes the time for setting a release date. The record label is really the one who sets the release date. The artist can push for a certain date and maybe the label says okay to that. The manager should push the label on getting the release date the artist desires. But that does not always happen. If depends on the artist, manager and record label in question.

 

Now the release date is set. The label will confirm the date, so will the artist. Everyone starts bragging that new music is coming and here is the release date.

 

Then the album is released. The artist promote the album. The manager gets the artist interviews on TV radio and in magazines.

 

Then after that comes touring. The artist will likely team up with either AEG or Live Nation for that. But I’ll save the discussion of touring for another day because that’s a whole other conversation but touring is part of promoting when you think about it.

 

So if you think I am acting like I “know better than everyone else” then that is your interpretation. If I talk about when Lana is releasing an album I am going to speak from a perspective which I understand because I do have people in my family who have worked in the music business. Since my father is a mastering engineer, I do know certain things. So shoot me if that offends anyone. Also, I happen to be Facebook friends with Adam Ayan (who mastered Honeymoon and Lust for Life) and Chris Gehringer (who mastered NFR). And no, I have not heard anything about COTCC from either of them.

[takeitdoen 10,615]

Can someone please play it and see if it Shazams yet, though? Thanks

@@CinnamonGirl Shazam'd it this morning with no results. 

 

[MargaretThatcher 1,329]

She did say that her label was fine with her putting out albums whenever she wants to a few years ago so if everything's ready in time she'll probably do it. I still think that TJF post was her way of saying it's still coming because fans expected the announcement the day before.

Well if she has that kind of relationship with her label, then that’s good. Hopefully it’s still working out that way.

not that we should constantly be begging for new music, but i think we are sometimes justified in wanting quick releases because lana doesn't really go full out during her eras in general, she just doesn't operate in that way, so there's less content to hold fans over

Lana is pretty consistent with releasing music. She has never gone longer than two years without releasing an album. Other artists have much bigger gaps.

[Chemtrail 2,838]

Okay Ben but she had teased that shit since 2018, so it was kinda like NFR in that we were (too) familiar with the content before she actually released it. So even though it's newly released, it doesn't really feel new.

 

I personally prefer having nothing until it's actually released, except perhaps one lead single.

 

Whatever, though - if she starts snippeting it up on IG I will refrain from listening. I haven't listened to the TJF snippet since the day she dropped it.

 

Can someone please play it and see if it Shazams yet, though? Thanks

I knew over half of it months before it was released but she doesn't necessarily release things just for people who are obsessed like us lol. Most didn't know the poems. I compiled them ages ago incase she never released the book but we still got 6 new ones with the audiobook. This is kinda why I don't obsess over anything she posts like that new snippet, it just dulls the experience.

[Rorman Nockwell 53,854]

How it works? Okay, here is how it works;

 

1. Musician goes into the recording studio to record an album. Present in the studio is the producer(s) and engineer(s). Together they record the music.

2. After the music is recorded, it goes to the mixer who mixes the recording.

3. Then the recording goes to the mastering engineer who masters the recording. This is the final step. My father happens to be a Grammy-nominated mastering engineer so I have observed that process when I was growing up.

 

So at this point the production of the album is done. The artist, producers, engineers, mixers and mastering engineers have completed their tasks with recording the album.

 

Now it is heard by the artists team; their manager and agent. Then the record label hears it as it is presented to them by the artists team. Hopefully the record label is happy and doesn’t tell the artist that they can’t put it out there. Hopefully the artist is not told to go back into the studio to record something “radio friendly”. But this is why an artist has a manager and agent. They are supposed to ensure the label doesn’t give the artist a problem. If all goes well after the label hears it, then A&R does their thing and works on a plan for getting the album out there. So then comes marketing, promotional strategy etc. The artists manager works with the label on this hopefully.

 

Also you need the album artwork so a photo shoot happens. The label sees that too, they make sure to green light that.

 

So after all these things I mentioned above are resolved and planned out, then comes the time for setting a release date. The record label is really the one who sets the release date. The artist can push for a certain date and maybe the label says okay to that. The manager should push the label on getting the release date the artist desires. But that does not always happen. If depends on the artist, manager and record label in question.

 

Now the release date is set. The label will confirm the date, so will the artist. Everyone starts bragging that new music is coming and here is the release date.

 

Then the album is released. The artist promote the album. The manager gets the artist interviews on TV radio and in magazines.

 

Then after that comes touring. The artist will likely team up with either AEG or Live Nation for that. But I’ll save the discussion of touring for another day because that’s a whole other conversation but touring is part of promoting when you think about it.

 

So if you think I am acting like I “know better than everyone else” then that is your interpretation. If I talk about when Lana is releasing an album I am going to speak from a perspective which I understand because I do have people in my family who have worked in the music business. Since my father is a mastering engineer, I do know certain things. So shoot me if that offends anyone. Also, I happen to be Facebook friends with Adam Ayan (who mastered Honeymoon and Lust for Life) and Chris Gehringer (who mastered NFR). And no, I have not heard anything about COTCC from either of them.

I mean ... all of the processes you describe have been discussed on this site before, and are common knowledge, but thanks for answering.

[Chemtrail 2,838]

How it works? Okay, here is how it works;

 

1. Musician goes into the recording studio to record an album. Present in the studio is the producer(s) and engineer(s). Together they record the music.

2. After the music is recorded, it goes to the mixer who mixes the recording.

3. Then the recording goes to the mastering engineer who masters the recording. This is the final step. My father happens to be a Grammy-nominated mastering engineer so I have observed that process when I was growing up.

 

So at this point the production of the album is done. The artist, producers, engineers, mixers and mastering engineers have completed their tasks with recording the album.

 

Now it is heard by the artists team; their manager and agent. Then the record label hears it as it is presented to them by the artists team. Hopefully the record label is happy and doesn’t tell the artist that they can’t put it out there. Hopefully the artist is not told to go back into the studio to record something “radio friendly”. But this is why an artist has a manager and agent. They are supposed to ensure the label doesn’t give the artist a problem. If all goes well after the label hears it, then A&R does their thing and works on a plan for getting the album out there. So then comes marketing, promotional strategy etc. The artists manager works with the label on this hopefully.

 

Also you need the album artwork so a photo shoot happens. The label sees that too, they make sure to green light that.

 

So after all these things I mentioned above are resolved and planned out, then comes the time for setting a release date. The record label is really the one who sets the release date. The artist can push for a certain date and maybe the label says okay to that. The manager should push the label on getting the release date the artist desires. But that does not always happen. If depends on the artist, manager and record label in question.

 

Now the release date is set. The label will confirm the date, so will the artist. Everyone starts bragging that new music is coming and here is the release date.

 

Then the album is released. The artist promote the album. The manager gets the artist interviews on TV radio and in magazines.

 

Then after that comes touring. The artist will likely team up with either AEG or Live Nation for that. But I’ll save the discussion of touring for another day because that’s a whole other conversation but touring is part of promoting when you think about it.

 

So if you think I am acting like I “know better than everyone else” then that is your interpretation. If I talk about when Lana is releasing an album I am going to speak from a perspective which I understand because I do have people in my family who have worked in the music business. Since my father is a mastering engineer, I do know certain things. So shoot me if that offends anyone. Also, I happen to be Facebook friends with Adam Ayan (who mastered Honeymoon and Lust for Life) and Chris Gehringer (who mastered NFR). And no, I have not heard anything about COTCC from either of them.

This was an enjoyable read until you mentioned being friends with people on Facebook. Don't rlly care about that but this is pretty accurate

[MargaretThatcher 1,329]

I mean ... all of the processes you describe have been discussed on this site before, and are common knowledge, but thanks for answering.

This description is the short version. Trust me the long version will bore everyone including myself.

[Chemtrail 2,838]

I mean ... all of the processes you describe have been discussed on this site before, and are common knowledge, but thanks for answering.

If you two start arguing again I'm gonna have to call 911 on the culture

[MargaretThatcher 1,329]

This was an enjoyable read until you mentioned being friends with people on Facebook. Don't rlly care about that but this is pretty accurate

I’ve met them at AES, so it is kind of relevant. All I know is they were thrilled to work on Lana’s material.