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an actual outtake from any era after 2010, fully produced, has more value to me than 50 laptop demos

i don’t believe we’ll get crazy for you if not through fl0ridakil0s, it doesn’t seem like the other ones who have it (who apparently are numerous?) have been willing to leak it in the past 2 years even when we got hundreds of snippets then again maybe honeymoun is going to leak something and if he does, it’d only make sense for it to be crazy for you, but after what we got last year and more importantly this year, i’m not getting my hopes up for anything from him. we’ll see! i’m actually fine if california gets chosen but i think we should be lucid enough not to think the other song is likely to leak before next christmas

i don’t think one single person’s taste should really be factored in though, we all have extremely different opinions on songs i haven’t listened to any crazy for you snippets but most people were really enthusiastic about all of them in the thread, so in the eyes of most people, it really can’t be a bad song. i would be fine with california leaking though

exactly! sadly it’s not like we can really expect anything other than the things we actually get nowadays. in 2013 it was likely that snippets would lead to an immediate leak but now it’s 100% teasing 0% delivering literally the crazy for you thread is proof that those things aren’t correlated anymore. so honestly i’ll jump on the occasion to get crazy for you as someone kindly offers this possibility

dark city sounds great according to most people but if we’re just going to have one song i really the idea of having a honeymoon outtake for christmas maybe someone else could leak dark city though

with ocean boulevard and fingertips being on the album and crazy for you possibly leaking, that gets a lot of the snippets that leaked in september/october out of the way not gonna lie, the fewer snippets we have out there without having the songs, the more peaceful it feels

i’m getting war flashbacks from honeymoun’s teasing last year

the idea that crazy for you is bound to leak anyway isn’t really convincing in my opinion. remember how likely it felt in september that it was going to leak very soon? it didn’t, and honestly it’s about time we crossed that one off the list. i haven’t listened to snippets for either one but i would really like to get the whole crazy for you wait over with, because we’ve known about it for years there’s no reason to think more people have crazy for you than california, we have no idea where the snippets came from and most people who actually have things probably have a lot more than the few songs we know about. i also don’t think we should be expecting any chain reaction, the days when leakers would get other leakers to leak things seem to be over, i’d rather just have one thing that i think is good - given everyone’s opinion on the snippets - than think about what might be going to provoke which effect. honestly looking at all the hoarding, teasing, spamming that happened since april, just for us to get literally nothing - i think it’s about time we prioritize getting something. sadly i don’t think it’s realistic to hope there’ll be several leaks but i’m already really grateful we’re getting something that sounds good

This is heartbreaking, really. It really comes off as a surprise to me and I hope the situation isn’t worse than she told us. It does shed a whole new light on the principle of leaks which are, indeed, stolen material. While I do think we, as listeners, are not technically the problem - people who steal songs, make money off of them, build a reputation on having them, are - our habit of being receptive to whatever has been happening for the past year or two is a problem. This has gotten to the point where Lana’s computer got stolen and yet we got one actual leak in a year - and I’m not saying at all that one is as bad as the other, because not getting leaks is obviously nothing compared to literally losing your creation and being held hostage by some creep. But it is neither in our nor in Lana’s interest to implicitly condone behavior such as selling 2021 songs. Part of why this is going on, part of why leakers normalized selling a demo thousands of dollars - and there’s a good chance the person who stole her computer had a hand in selling those songs 3000$ in September - is because we, as a fandom, are receptive. Anyways, I hope she knows that none of her songs got leaked, at least, and I hope that her reaching out to her fans is somehow an indication that she’s not being threatened by the person who stole it.

maybe she’s not done with the album at all… she seems to have continued writing and recording throughout the past year, but we don’t know for sure, and maybe she changed directions several times. actually there has been a two-year-long wait between paradise and ultraviolence, honeymoon and lust for life, lust for life and norman fucking rockwell, norman fucking rockwell and chemtrails, so i wouldn’t be surprised if she just weren’t finished with it at all although i agree it would make sense and be very nice if she announced something now but personally i’ve found it very pleasant and peaceful not to have any fake dates or snippets from her the past year, it adds a lot of mystery to her new project and it’s been restful

maybe the label really told her they were done with the fake dates this time around… it wasn’t the most professional thing to do to delay four albums in a row, so maybe they’re the ones who’re responsible for the change. or maybe the length of the pre-release stems from the project in itself it’s also that she went totally silent after blue banisters was released, whereas we got a lot of interviews after nfr, she toured, and chemtrails was literally immediately followed by new announcements

sure, I’m from France, I’d be happy to help!

i was going through the chemtrails pre-release thread and for some reason i can't find any post between like august 2020 and january 2021... does anyone know why that is? i wanted to reread our reactions as we found the shazam codes for yosemite, but any post from that era is nowhere to be found

that's true! the past few eras were not clearly delineated. they used to be, when albums had substantial visuals, their own aesthetic a few music videos in which it could appear, a tour - or at least a few dates, more differences in sound. to me, nfr, chemtrails and blue banisters feel like one single era, because she always postponed the release dates, thereby blurring the lines between eras, because she used songs from various previous albums, because there has been a major emphasis on piano and stripped-down production on the 3 of them. i actually feel like this is the first time since the lust for life era ended that we're not actively awaiting anything, because even though something has been in the air for a year now, we literally don't know anything about it except one lyric. i have to say it's quite restful: it does feel like blue banisters was released a long time ago, but it's not that painful waiting when you don't really think about it

to be honest i think this is really good, we're not being kept in a constant state of expectation and disappointment, the album is going to be so fresh. nfr era was just painful. i stood against snippets then and i still do now, it's all going to be worth it when we hear the album. this is way more peaceful for me than it was for any of her albums post honeymoon

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i don't really know what to think. i'm not really happy about her reusing older songs because it's detrimental to the cohesiveness of the project. i got dragged for saying the 5 leaked songs she used on blue banisters would not feel fresh when the album got released, but i think that's exactly what happened. all the more so because all these tracks were side to side. i agree it does feel like laziness when she does not even bother to use higher quality than that of youtube rips. i'd like to say she could rework the older songs she's using, but out of tnbar, yosemite, dealer, thunder, nectar, living legend and cherry blossom, the only one she reworked was thunder (before any of you says so, no, tnbar was not reworked for nfr). i also think leaked songs just take up a lot of space on blue banisters, and although that's personal opinion, i'd be 100% more interested in hearing new tracks (which the jack tracks she might use for ldr9 are!). on the other hand, i'd die to get loved you then and now, as well as the other jack songs that got scrapped - and i have a feeling we won't be getting them through leaks, seeing how well jack's material is protected. and i'm so happy we got yosemite and dealer, i was euphoric when we learned we were going to get them officially. i'd love for the same thing to happen with loved you then and now, or, although that's way more unlikely, with unleaked songs we crave for.

you're such a peach for helping me manifest

my ex-boyfriend, if this happens then we've hit the bottom, you were rock candy sweet so i loved you then MUSIC MAFIA EXCLUSIVE and now

yeah, not to mention it has the lyric 'rock candy sweet' pointing towards more mid-tempo summery energy

if you lie down with me is smooth to the point that it's enveloping, listening to it feels like sitting on a cotton cloud or being held by a cotton creature why does black bathing suit (which i also love) have chaotic catch and release energy

why is heroin one billion times better than any other song on this record

chemtrails over the country club is one of her best songs ever. everything in it is so delicate, so pristine, so carefully crafted. the intro in the music video is pure bliss and introduces the song perfectly, when she starts singing i literally ascend. the violin, the harmonica, the layered vocals, i have no words