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I had the misfortune of reading the thing about Stevie sounding like Spongebob before listening to the song... I thought "why would they do Stevie dirty like this? No respect, the youth.". Then I actually gave it a listen, and she opens the song like she's wistfully about to flip Krabby Patties. 
Still love her though 

Yo wtf
You gotta expand on that story, mate

well hello lets celebrate that

I don't think @roctab was trying to idolize Manson with that post, it just seems like a commentary on why the American public was/still is so interested in the Manson story.
You can't deny it is a cultural phenomenon.
But it's that way because people are morbidly curious, and Manson was such a "character" despite being a demonic monster like you said. But the thought of a bunch of women being so entranced by a delusional man who thought he was the next Jesus that they were willing to kill because he said so is so shocking of a story that to this day people are still mystified by it. 
It's human nature to be morbidly intrigued. It's why we watch the news to see awful things, it's why we slow down when we drive by a car accident.
People want to know why Manson was the way he was, that's why his psyche is still talked about. It's "other" to us. Finding those things interesting doesn't mean anyone condones them

1. RoCtab, not rocKtab2. Calm the fuck down
3. Interesting because I thought it was a good read.
4. The point of a thread is discussion, it’s good to see a topic from different perspectives, even if you don’t agree.
5. No one said he didn’t do it and no one said Manson is not a monster wtf.
 

And yes dude, we all agree that he’s a monster and we all agree that he did it, and we all agree that he should rot in hell, in case that wasn’t clear

An interesting comment I found (I’ll include the link if you want to read the whole thread https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7e6myv/comment/dq2yki9?st=JA8FU2UD&sh=07f9abf7)
 
I am far from a Manson apologist, but the guy was pretty doomed for a life of crime, mayhem and violence since birth.
 
I suggest listening to the series about him on Last Podcast On The Left. It really paints a three dimensional portrait of the guy. He was born to a 16 year old sex worker, spent his childhood in a brothel. After that, he was sent to live with an his abusive religious aunt and her sadistic uncle and was systematically abused. He was berated for being a "sissy" and forced to wear girls clothes to his first day of school.
 
After being passed back to his mother, she was terribly neglectful, famously selling the young boy for a pitcher of beer. He had a lonely childhood and was surrounded by crime, so naturally he began to partake in criminal activity himself, landing him in a reform school at the age of nine. He spent the next few years in and out of these types of schools, homes, and often prisions, and they were NOT healthy environments.
 
It was at these reform schools where he was raped and beat by the fellow children while the adults in charge turned a blind eye and often encouraged it.
 
When he tried to reconnect with his mother, she wanted nothing to do with him. Naturally, he started committing more serious crime such as rape, pimping, theft and fraud. This led him to spending most of his life in prison, effectively missing the free love hippie movement, and i'd speculate he was completely shocked when he was released from prison in '67 to see that the world was so much different than the 50's.
 
Manson was sick, and those poor people would not have been murdered if it wasn't for him. He was an insane dude who somehow had a following of loyalists who were taking way too many drugs, listening a little too intently to the White Album, and were way too susceptible to the toxic environment that Manson and others had created on that ranch out in the desert.
 
Manson's life was fascinating and tragic. He didn't stand a chance of being a normal person given the way he grew up, he could have tried to clean up his act, but his criminal tendencies seemed to ingrained into him as a person, so he doubled down on the evilness inside him.
 
Things people don't usually know about Manson.
 
- He was a short dude. 5'0'' if I am not mistaken.
 
- He was a decent songwriter. He wrote a tune for the Beach Boys and was a "friend" of Dennis Wilson. [Here is one of my favorite Manson tunes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpx4ODP35VQ).
 
- He was married at some point and [looked like a normal dude](https://brenfrie.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/manson28n-2-web.jpg).
 
- His main objective out in the desert with his cult was to manufacture dune buggies and sell them.
 
I wonder what could have been done to stop this man from co-opting the hippie commune movement and turning it into a dangerous cult. What do we do with people like Manson? I hope we have ways of helping children who are born into dangerous and criminal lives now.
 
I don't mourn the loss of Manson. I mourn the loss of the person he could have been under different circumstances. I admire his music. He was a talented songwriter. He had a way with words. Look them up, they are quite good.
 
What a wasted life. What a tragedy his darkness had a hand in the gruesome deaths of innocent people.
 
Rest in peace Sharon Tate and her unborn baby.
 
Rest in peace Abigail Folger.
 
Rest in peace Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.
 
Rest in peace Wojciech Frykowski.
 
Rest in peace Steven Parent.
 
Rest in peace Donald Shea.
 
Rest in peace Gary Hinman.
 
Make no mistake, Manson was a monster, but it was the way we used to treat (and possibly continue to treat) the disenfranchised people on the fringes of society that had a major part in creating that monster.
 
The crazy motherfucker said it best:
 
"My father is the jailhouse. My father is your system... I am only what you made me. I am only a reflection of you".

This bitch Lana namechecked Lou Reed and he died the day he was supposed to show up on the album and now Manson & Heroin

'Bout time

I had the misfortune of reading the thing about Stevie sounding like Spongebob before listening to the song... I thought "why would they do Stevie dirty like this? No respect, the youth.". Then I actually gave it a listen, and she opens the song like she's wistfully about to flip Krabby Patties. 
Still love her though 

Oh God, I forgot 
 
Coachella is up there as well. I'll take any of of her mindblowingly corny lyrics over a faux-deep, wanna be political song any day. The corny ones always make me laugh, and somehow she can pull off being over the top like that, which is an art in itself. 

It is quite incredible. Even with her fair share of fillers/surgery/whatever magic they've worked on her, she still looks so fresh faced, unlike certain other celebrities who start looking doughy and weird, as their filllers/botox starts getting old. She has struck some kind of perfect balance between geeting work done, and not fucking too much with her face I guess.
 
I kind of love that she's really back in glamour mode. She seems to be having fun with it, and it shows.  

Oh God, I forgot 
 
Coachella is up there as well. I'll take any of of her mindblowingly corny lyrics over a faux-deep, wanna be political song any day. The corny ones always make me laugh, and somehow she can pull off being over the top like that, which is an art in itself. 

Ultraviolence era gave us amazing photoshoots, the iconic legendary talented beautiful tempo changing masterpiece that is west coast.... , shall we even mention the shades of cool music video in that coachella dress... plus all of the leaks happening right before the era started.... "meet me in the pale moonlight a new b-side from lana's new album" tweet response about the first single being WC like it was all amazing there are no other competitors the album and it's innovative production was and will remain to be her best, the leaks were the best, the tours and festivals were amazing, all of neil krug's amazing shoots etc.          

Just added a few corrections to the lyrics (that I'm 99.9 % sure of). I looked up the list of American anti-depressants and Amoxapane fits the lyrics and makes a lot more sense than marzipan imo.
 
Probably also my favourite song off the record. It's so ~etheral~ and beautiful, but really dark and gruesome as well. 

Apparently it resembles the theme of the Romeo and Juliet movie, but Lana says she wasn't aware
 
EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCmUWNUzaqo

If I wasn't so used to hearing John Lennons voice, I probably would feel the same way, lol. But having grown up with a lot of Beatles and Lennon, hearing how similar Seans voice and singing style is to his father, gives the song a lot of nostalgic value. And the melody is just so pretty

If I wasn't a fan already "Tomorrow never came" would have made me one for sure. Lana at her heartbroken best.

Just added a few corrections to the lyrics (that I'm 99.9 % sure of). I looked up the list of American anti-depressants and Amoxapane fits the lyrics and makes a lot more sense than marzipan imo.
 
Probably also my favourite song off the record. It's so ~etheral~ and beautiful, but really dark and gruesome as well. 

the strongest song on the album imo. it sounds straight off ultra

"This is the only track I didn't talk to any of the journalists about for a reason. The title, of course. It's my favourite track of the 16-track record. How it sounds is how the record started off, but then it went to a brighter place.. folky-like"

If I wasn't so used to hearing John Lennons voice, I probably would feel the same way, lol. But having grown up with a lot of Beatles and Lennon, hearing how similar Seans voice and singing style is to his father, gives the song a lot of nostalgic value. And the melody is just so pretty

If I wasn't a fan already "Tomorrow never came" would have made me one for sure. Lana at her heartbroken best.

If I wasn't so used to hearing John Lennons voice, I probably would feel the same way, lol. But having grown up with a lot of Beatles and Lennon, hearing how similar Seans voice and singing style is to his father, gives the song a lot of nostalgic value. And the melody is just so pretty

If I wasn't a fan already "Tomorrow never came" would have made me one for sure. Lana at her heartbroken best.