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sis that's a Halsey song...
 

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My sleuthing tips/tricks is to wait for you guys to post everything.
 
THANK YOU

I thought a Halsey track sounded kinda Lana-ish before Halsey even sang it or was even a thing. #HipsterAlert

No seriously.

Following my own advice to "Keep an Eye on the 'Industry Players'", I follow a lot of music industry accounts on Soundcloud, including one for TaP mgmt, Lana's manager Ben Mawson's company that manages Lana as well as OTTR, TIWMUG, and G&M co-writer Tim Larcombe. So a couple years ago a set labeled "Tim Larcombe" popped up on there which included two instrumental tracks labeled "BT I" and "BT II", "BT" presumably standing for "backing track", which sounded vaguely Lana-esque so I saved them in case they ended up being used on an album. (I'm not exactly sure when they appeared. This archive.org snapshot indicates they were uploaded in October 2012, but I'm not sure they were public that early. I saved them in September 2013, but I know I found them awhile before I got around to ripping them.) Anyway, fast forward to this morning when I was listening to Halsey in order to defend her detractors from a more educated position when I listened to "Strange Love" and experienced some major déjà vu. I recognized the backing track instantly as "BT I". Sure enough, Tim Larcombe is indeed the producer of "Strange Love":


Listen to a copy of "BT I" (click on the Soundcloud link below it if the embedded stream doesn't work) that I uploaded as a private track in April 2014 to show to @@Monicker, who deemed it "pretty uninspired":





I don't think Halsey is a complete ripoff of Lana; she's extremely derivative of her contemporaries in general, one of them being Lana. Her voice doesn't sound at all like Lana. Only a couple songs sound like Lana ripoffs ("New Americana" being the most blatant well-documented example). But she occupies a lyrical universe that overlaps a lot with Lana's. However, being a documented fan of Lana with a song title the same as one of Lana's with a backing track possibly even written for Lana by a producer that worked with Lana and has the same management as Lana... I know some of that's probably coincidence, but it's all just a little too much. And it's easy to imagine her going, "OMG, you worked with Lana? OMG, Can I work with you? OMG, you've got a backing track you wrote for Lana that she didn't use? OMG, can I use it? Great! I'll name it after one of her unreleased tracks!" 

So I was listening to more of Halsey's songs in order to defend her detractors in status posts when I had a sudden sense of déjà vu and made an interesting connection to something that turned up years ago in my Lana sleuthing. I'll post about it soon, but to make proper sense of it I need to know a couple things that maybe some of you can help me with:
 
1. Have any "Badlands" instrumentals leaked? If so, could someone PM them to me? (And if not, but if someone has them, can you still PM them to me? I won't do anything with them, I'm only interested in them for comparison purposes, and can delete them when I'm done.)
2. Is there a complete and accurate list of co-writer/producer credits for "Badlands"? Wikipedia is definitely missing some information.
3. When was Halsey signed?
4. What is her relationship to TaP mgmt (Ben's company) and when did it start?

The concept comes from the idea that the "Badlands" represent her mind (playing into the fact that she's bipolar and struggled with it throughout her teenage years). The concept is less apparent on the deluxe because Tracks like Hurricane, Strange Love, & I Walk the line deviate from it, but its essentially her navigating though the different mental struggles she's faced by conceptualizing them into songs. The album itself bounces through highs (Roman Holiday) and the lows (colors) much like something someone with mental illness (or really anyone just to a less drastic degree) would experience. The best example of this would be Control where the lines bounce from symptoms of mania ("I paced around for hours on empty, I jumped at the slightest of sounds") and depression ("I couldn't stand the person inside me, I turned all the mirrors around). While I'm obviously overanalyzing it, I think its a pretty solid concept album given that its the debut from a 20 year old and she wrote it with a relatively small amount of people (the tracks were done with a lot of different producers yet have common lyrical themes leading me to believe she actually did write a lot of it). I think people are trashing the album because they don't like her as a person (which I can see why) but I don't think the album is bad by any means.

Poor Ashley and her fans, they gonna be madT

One guy spilled a tea for me:
'Go to target most of them have it and the employees are dumb just say hey I was wondering if you had anymore Halsey left in the back of the store, they go check an see they have it and get it for you. It worked for my multiple friends.'

In the same vault as the PWYC video at the bottom of the sea

Who went and gave this ho a budget yas, finally don't have to be embarrassed
 
But where is the Gold video

i feel like she was saving her budget for this video because she knew it would be the best chance at a top 40 song out of all the songs on froot??

wait at Blue being her first decent looking music video for the entire era

I rearranged the tracklist for a more cohesive story if anyone cares
 
 
 
 
What do you think

It will be and it really wouldnt be a Foxes release without a single delay lol

@@JudgingYou @@luckyonewithoutyou No new song. Cover of Trap Queen + Brought out Josh Dunn from twenty one pilots for Roman Holiday. Also performed a remix of Hurricane, where she crowd surfed (I touched her thigh )

enough copies to go round everyone in her fanbase then  

https://popgoesthecharts.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/radio-report-pop-goes-the-picks-august-2015-part-one/
 
^This guy is usually pretty reliable, and he's saying that Promises is being serviced to contemporary hit radio "in both its original version and a new dance mix by French producer Norman Doray."
 
Time for her very own Summertime Sadness-esque breakthrough smash via an ill-fitting EDM remix 

It sounds cool! Too bad Methamphetamines was recorded with a toaster 

The New Americana way.

Doing it in the true, Americana way

Guys chill. Making comparisons is totally normal. I think it's healthy for newcoming artists to examine the trends of their era and letting some of them influence their vision. No one's vision is a brick wall. 
It's extremely rare for artists to create a trend of their own. It sort of happened with Lana mainly because popstars of the time (Gaga, Katy) had reached eccentricity and provocation to the extent where there was no way back. Lana and other alternative pop artists brought simplicity and vulnerability back to the market. It was fresh and appealing back then. 
 
Now... I'm angry at people that think Halsey, for instance, owes her life to Lana. No she doesn't. She's got a talent of her own. On the other hand, I'm angry at those who act like they don't see the slighest similarity, It's like they're closing their eyes to the whole picture. Give credits to the one that should be given and then enjoy the music. That's all. 
 
Welcome Melanie and Halsey to the Family. They're the 3rd generation if I'm not mistaken. 
Lana and Marina being the first.
Sky and Charli being the second.

Me praying for Ashely stans
 

Says the member of a Lana Del Rey forum  Love both artists, but they know their shared market.

Do I like Halsey's music? Yes. Do I think she's completely manufactured (possibly not even to her knowledge) to market to teenagers who shop at urban outfitters and want to listen to "indie" music? Absolutely.