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Wasn't me being called one.

But for the record: source part 1 part 2 "People".

Racist much? You are some German Nazi I suppose. The most despicable people in the world. #GodwinsLaw Speaking of German, I'm not above schadenfreude. I really hope your daughter (@@FormerLanaFan's, not yours @@PrettyBaby) fucks around a lot when she grows up and doesn't care if you know it. Oh god, where to even begin with this one... I'm quite baffled that when Lana says she's "slept with a lot of guys" you seem to automatically assume it was all causal sex and never serial monogamy. I'm not even gonna address the misogynist/objectifying undertones in the latter part of that post, but let me just explode some of the stereotypes in it. Speaking as an older fan, it's not just today's teenagers that grew up on internet porn. Anyone who spent any part of their teens in the internet age did. But when I was a teenager, despite my "urges", I also was a virgin by choice until marriage. And from personal experience I can say that that was the wrong choice for me. While not necessarily promoting sleeping around a ton, I think the broader view of sex endorsed by most posters here is far more healthy. I think a lot of people find sexual experience a desirable quality in a partner. I've said it before, but it bears repeating:

tl;dr: @@FormerLanaFan to Lana: I'm a drag and you're a whore. Ok, so your issue with her is that she doesn't live up to your (a man's) fantasy image of her and your expectations of her sexual behavior as a woman? Do you not see how problematic this is? Would we have though? I've been in the Lana sleuthing game for almost 3 years now and have developed something of a reputation for it and I still find myself surprised at new information and how it reshapes my understanding of her. Also, there's a possibility the label head claim may not be as interesting as it sounds. Everybody and their brother has a label these days. Ben even had one. I dunno. You seem to be the only one reacting strongly about this. (Not that I haven't been about the only person objecting to something on here before. ) Also, when she said "I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry" she may simply have meant that a lot of the guys she fucked were in the industry, not that she's fucked a lot of guys in absolute terms. Even if she was, comparing someone who has "slept with a lot of guys" with a porn star is not a fair comparison, but FWIW that Duke porn star seems pretty content with her decision. Also FWIW, there's a fair amount of transactional sex suggested in Lana's lyrics. How is this only bothering you now? And WTF do private sexual acts have to do with being a good person, being involved in your community, or your relationship with your father, mother, and siblings? No, it's not the Beatles era, though your attitudes about women and sex seem imported straight from it. I can't help but laugh at the irony and lack of self-awareness in your reference to Othello, a man so obsessed with a woman's believed promiscuity that (spoiler alert) it drives him to murder, and ultimately suicide. Um, what is this all about? Are we still talking about Lana? So far you're the only one portraying her like the biggest whore in the music industry. Personally I think T-Swift might privately high-five Lana and tell her to write kiss and tell songs about everybdy she fucked. And then she'd probably fuck Lana and write a song about it. You think I give a damn about a Grammy? Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me "But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?" Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here? So you can sit me here next to Britney Spears? Shit, Christina Aguilera Lana Del Rey better switch me chairs So I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst James Franco and Dan Auerbach And hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first first sucked cock Just maybe. What does one have to do with the other? Besides, for all we know, Pat might high-five her or be jealous. My momma, she would love you like I love you If she ever met you, if she ever knew My momma, she would fall right on top of you If she ever saw you, she’d be smitten too I’ll never take you home I want you all for my own Don’t let my momma hear your pretty song Right, the couple bucks you spent on her artistry entitles you to dictate her sex life. Really, her comment is "undefendable"? I see plenty of people doing just that.

Ha. "People". That is impressive vagueness. But I don't really care. I'm just glad she's finally acknowledging it. But this makes me suspect Brian Hiatt's been reading our forum even more. "Shaving off". I've used that phrase to describe this at least once. I think she's probably conflating a couple things here. Both Gaga and Lana played consecutive new writer showcases at the Cutting Room put on by the Songwriter's Hall of Fame (SHOF) which Bob Leone worked for as Projects Director. The Monday night lineups she's referring to were probably Monday night open mics at Makor that were also put on by the SHOF. You can see more about those gigs in the "Early Shows" section. Regarding Axl Rose: Wow. It's truly fascinating that one of the most subtly written portrayals of a problematic relationship in modern pop music may be accidental, the writer not self-conscious of it. Paging @@FormerLanaFan. I would love a Buzzfeed-style "Cunt-ries of the World" map of what Barrie imagines each nation's delicacies taste like. She sheds more light on her relationship with a record label exec: It's almost like she wants us to figure it out. Who knew dry-humping jokes were the way to a woman's heart? (Skip to 3:46.) Yo, Franco, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish... but Barrie-James was one of the best boyfriends of all time. One of the best of all time!

I wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

CONTINUED Nice work LanaBoarders. The inspiration behind the Detroit reference in "Guns and Roses"? Paging Acceptance. Realistic expectations. Mellow. Dare I say it, shades of cool. I'm still somewhat baffled by the fact that her audience is mostly teen and early twenty-something girls and gays. Sometimes I wonder what the demographics would be if BTD hadn't had the hip-hop beats and samples. FIN

CONTINUED I knew it. Get it girl. I like that she owns it. And the fact that she says that she didn't sleep with them in order to get ahead, but is completely honest that she wished they'd helped her nonetheless. It echoes some past statements of hers: It's interesting and refreshing to see her take responsibility for whatever role she played in the dissolution of their relationship. It's big of her to say that. It seemed kind of tactless to me when she was running down Barrie and airing their dirty laundry publicly trumpeting it to the world in past interviews. There's a real self-awareness and maturity here, saying this shit affected me, but with a sense of acceptance and without the usual finger-pointing or blame. She comes across much more sympathetically in this interview. Um, you do realize the alcohol is cooked off, right? Also, yum. CONTINUED AGAIN...

After her reactions in some of her last few interviews, I literally laughed out loud when I read the tagline to the article "Lana Del Rey knows what you think about her. And she’s learned to live with it." But you know what? After reading this, I've concluded it's apt. This is not only a great interview, but she comes across extremely well in it. She seems very open and honest. There's just a real maturity and levelheadedness here that she hasn't displayed in some of her other recent interviews. (See @@SitarHero, I told you I can be positive!) I love this. What a great metaphor for her. That kind of luxe just ain't for us @@butterflies Last time I thought maybe she was just spinning a yarn about this, but here she is again saying it was with a label head and lasted for seven years and there's a lot of specific detail. (He had a family with kids!) How early do we think this could have started? Is she saying she was "24, 25" when it ended? That MPG inspiration. Dissing her bestest friend tho. Ha! This is great! I love that Emile signed his own death sentence. The irony is delicious. Organizing your tour schedule around your smoking habit. Classic. It's not a crisis of confidence, it's not. She is confident. She is. Dan gave it back to her. It would be interesting to hear her demos, but I have a hard time imagining a lot of the songs on UV in a folk style and I'm happy with the results, so I think it's extremely premature to be hating on Dan. That said, I would love a return to her folk/anti-folk roots on a future album. TO BE CONTINUED... Fucking quote limits.

This specifically mentions New York City, which fits the theory it's about Atlantic Group. But I find the word "guru" interesting. Translations of some of the other interviews where she talked about this used that word, but I was curious to see if that word would show up in an English language interview. I'll post more of my thoughts about that later. In addition to metaphysics in the Aristotelian philosophical sense, Lana also seems to be interested in the metaphysical in the sort of New Age, spiritual, eastern mysticism sense. (Note her field trip to a psychic with her Rolling Stone interviewer.) During her early career in NYC, a number of people around her seem to have been into these types of things as well. On his blogger profile, Tags from Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena lists things like qi and energy healing under his interests, and David Nichtern, founder of 5 Points Records, is a prominent Buddhist teacher. In fact, he founded a sister label, Dharma Moon, dedicated to producing music for meditation and yoga. His son Ethan is also a prominent Buddhist teacher and author. In light of that, I thought these Facebook posts of hers were interesting:

I don't think there's any particular reason to think "Trans Am" (if it's even a song) is a "Guns and Roses" demo. "Trans Am" was written in a different notebook.

Do we really need a separate thread in the news section every time she adds an album track to her setlist?

Alice sent me a free copy of her album. Contrary to my expectations, she's listed in the credits as "Backing Vox: Lana Del Rey". That reminds me. I was going to post some scans but never got around to it.

Yeah, I asked @@Madrigal to do it for me over a year ago because my Twitter account was still protected at the time and it looks like other people have tried as well. Doesn't look like anyone's had a response.

Early profiles before she was famous got her age right. It wasn't until she started doing press in the wake of the viral success of "Video Games" that her age was revised down a year, in some cases two years, which suggests management involvement to me. In and of itself it isn't necessarily. But it just seems like a stupid thing to do nowadays when so much information is online and it can be easily verified. She's really lucky this didn't emerge during the height of the falsely premised label creation backlash. It would have just added fuel to the fire and could have really come back to bite her. Although the media got a lot of things wrong about her, this was one of a number of false things she said about herself. I think there's a certain degree of hypocrisy in her criticizing the media for making things up about her when she was spinning her own fabrications.

C'mon Barrie, leak everything you worked on together as revenge.

I merged your thread into this one since it was a duplicate topic. I think you'll find this helpful: It finally changed on Wikipedia now since the recent Rolling Stone article that said she's actually 29 even though she's usually reported to be a year younger. Methinks someone's been reading this forum.

Which other one are you thinking of?

I'm a dragon, you're a whore

Sure, but what about the choice to recreate the death of a glamorous mythologized figure like JFK who died young? Sure, but I don't think it's really a stretch to read something into her choice to represent that with death.

Also, how is A$AP Rocky as JFK being assassinated a stretch? And I don't think their scattered inclusion in this list really captures the impression she created by the fact that someone dies in almost all her BTD-era videos. I mean, it was becoming a cliché and a joke within the fanbase. Nah, it's not just that. She's talked about death in interviews frequently for a long time. Sometimes as a result of being asked about it, but often brought up by herself or in response to generic questions like what is X song about.

A few weeks ago I had a really long response written to these posts, but my computer crashed and then I forgot to come back to this. The short version is that while it's maybe not the dominant theme (although I think there's enough evidence that one could argue that it is, though I'm not sure I necessarily would), it's definitely a very dominant theme in her work, to an extent that's atypical, and therefore notable and naturally provokes these sorts of questions. Many of her songs actually are literally about death, but even when she's not singing about death and singing about other things, she's still preoccupied with death, constantly reaching for death metaphors. To @@slang, I was speaking about death imagery generally, but there actually is a lot of self-death (i.e. suicide) references in her work too. And I read "Hollywood's Dead" completely differently. If anything it's the urtext of Lana's glamorization of death! But don't just take my word on the prevalence of the theme of death in Lana's music. Listen to Jon Pareles, whose NYT profile Lana praised glowingly, in this podcast beginning around 7:20.

I'd put this differently. "For K Part 2" is a real title, which implies that a Part 1 may exist. If it does, we don't actually know which track Part 1 is. The song that leaked as part of Sirens (the track names of which were all made up) as "For K" was leaked as part of Quiet Now as "Drive By". I would like to see more receipts before concluding that the name "Drive By" was not made up. Even still, it's quite possible "For K" may have been an alternate title given the "K is a friend of mine" lyric. Some people also speculate that the song off Sirens leaked as "Pretty Baby" could be "For K Part 1" due to the repetition of the phrase "Pretty Baby" in both songs, but I consider this highly speculative.

It's hardly psychoanalyzing to observe that in general fans' love of their favorite artist can get in the way of their objectitivity. (Would you disagree with that?) Aside from saying the pot was calling the kettle black when @@SitarHero first lobbed an accusation of bias against me, I took pains not to accuse anyone specifically of this bias or ascribe this motivation to any specific person. In fact, I specifically exempted you from this particular criticism. There's a big difference between that and saying, well, you specifically must think this or must not think that because you're X personality type. That said, it's not necessary to PM me about it. I'm not really that offended. It should be obvious I have pretty thick skin. As an INTJ/INTP, I'm not threated by conflict or criticism. This is really the crux of it for me. I don't think she's doing this. And I don't think the journalists are doing anything bad enough to warrant the way she's treating them. Not that they can't handle it, they're professionals. But that in itself isn't an excuse for the way she's behaving towards them. Naturally, those of you who think the journalists are doing something wrong may judge her behavior differently, but I don't think they are, and I still don't think it would excuse it if they were. Yes and no. A couple of the recent ones have been some of her worst, but there's been a number of interviews over the years that she cut short or shut down in because she got pissy. The "boring" comment was just an extremely petty cheap shot and reflects really poorly on her. And the comments about "masked as a fan", "hiding sinister ambitions and angles", and "calculated" make her sound completely paranoid. Yes, I think she acted really shitty. This is also a good opportunity to point out something else I've noticed for a long time that I don't think I've mentioned before. Notice she said "masked as a fan". In several of those interviews she got pissy in she interrupted the interviewer to ask them if they liked her music, as if liking her music or being a fan of hers should be a prerequisite for interviewing her or a litmus test for fair coverage. It suggests she has unrealistic expectations of what an interview should be, a misunderstanding of the role of journalists, a belief that if the media isn't covering her positively and in just the manner she'd like it isn't covering her fairly. Sorry, Lana, that's what PR people are for, not journalists.