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right?! Megan is actually a pretty amazing actress. It's kinda sad that the industry has shun her.

Wow... I don't think I've ever read something so delusional on this thread. To say that all other Lana albums are super jealous of NFR right now. That's bold JackJared! LFL might be jealous of NFR, but as for the others. I think that they are laughing at this very bold claim! If I were an album, I'd rather have earned the legacy by powering through bad critics because I knew I deserved better, and not be turned into a circlejerk from the very same people that literally shit on me all these years, because they know they missed out on me during my prime. That's a very interesting analogy you're making here. I would disagree though. Honeymoon (or Ultraviolence for that matter) is more of a Meryl Streep (even better a Katharine Hepburn!) than NFR. The latter is more of a Jennifer Lawrence? Pretty on surface level, but as you dig in a little, there's not much substance to back up the amount of praise she's receiving? So you actually start wondering why are some people so damn obsessed with it? Still waiting for an answer (for both Jennifer and NFR btw). You're giving way too much creds to award shows and critics alike. Which to me begs the question: where you even a fan of Lana before NFR? I'm legit curious. Born To Die will remain Lana's most influencial album that is a fact. (Glad to see that you yet again re-using your gifs, I missed that one!)

Born To Die is one of the, if not the most influencial and important debut album by a female artist this decade. It directly influenced a ton of artists: Lorde, Halsey, Melanie Martinez, Troye Sivan, Billie Eillish, etc. It's literally still charting to this day and even higher than NFR. It still sounds fresh. We'll have to see, but I think it's unlikely that NFR will have the same longevity and cultural impact. Also, Emile Haynie her worst producer? I don't know about that. I've been reading a lot of comments on here, and been in touch with a lot of fans here and elsewhere. People tend to mention Jack's subpar, very champ gauche, style of production. I don't hear people mentioning Emile in a negative way?

You're right. We all have different opinions, divisive ones too. We got are emotionally "connected" to her work, and we can quickly become negative towards each other.

I mean, agree to disagree. There's a richness and level of intricacy in her other albums that is nowhere to be found on NFR. In that sense it's her most basic album. But to each their own.

Isn't there a specific thread just for that though. Yawn. You're literally delighting in the fact that her most fervent critics are now sucking up to her because they realized how foolish it was to discredit her first three records, when it couldn't sound more disingenuous on their part at this point in her career.

We'll see. I stand by what I've written here. I have spoken to many fans in these threads as well as in private and on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. It's not just "3 fans that keep writing the same things over and over again" and my conversations with them over this album and also Lana's antics beg to differ. I think it's easy for some users to make us look like black sheep, and delusional, for not liking this record all too much and discredit us over our views. But, it's a shared sentiment amongst many fans that this album is different, and perceived much differently by a lot of fans (whether that's positive or negative). I've seen many comments on publications that praise this album that are like "Well it's a good record, but let's not exaggerate", I've even seen people calling it overrated", which at this rate, I might start to say that myself too. Sorry. I'm still very much interested in Lana and her work and I'm hopeful to hear what she'll bring next.

No one is harassing anyone. Pointing out people's action in a forum is not harassement, I'm sorry but that's an exaggeration. Seeing people selectively clutching their pearls over other people's comments is fascinating to me. I've said it several times on this thread: agree to disagree. He has an opinion, I got mine. It's possible to debate. I don't think I have resulted to personal insults in any of my posts? Nor have I even blocked or muted anyone on this thread. We all appreciate certain things to a certain level. I just get annoyed when someone's only input on this thread is quoting critics and claiming those as irrefutable facts. But also, resulting to make gross assumptions about people who prefer an album over the other (going back to his multiple comments about Utraviolence and Honeymoon "stans" being dumb and delusional). He's got an opinion (or shares an opinion with critics would be more accurate) over NFR. Good for him. I don't. If you don't want to be apart of this discussion, move along.

While you will still be posting the same articles/reviews and year end/decade end excerpts and try to push critics' views on this album down our throats, while simultaneously re-posting the same three gifs over and over again. Like I said in earlier posts, it's very bold of you to come here and be like "UV and HM are so delusional hating this magnum opus months after its release " while your only contribution to this dying thread is posting what critics are saying about the album, for lack of original thoughts on your part. I'm legitimately curious, does Jack Antonoff pays your bill or something? Like why are you so damn defensive about people having a say about his production/mastering skills, or lack thereof? You can't even have an argument with any of us, it's always the same redundant rhetoric with you: "BUT CRITICS SAY (...)!!!1! ". You're a troll, Jared. Enough said.

Agree. There has been a division after each album was released. I can't really say which one between LFL and NFR has been the most intense (I would tend to say that after the release of LFL the fans were more divided than ever). When artists present something new and "different" there are always fans that don't really follow the bouncing ball. I didn't really like LFL in its entirety at the time of its release (and still don't if I'm being honest) but for entirely different reasons than why I'm not feeling NFR. I definitely see Lana has being less raw, or poignant, and much more subdued and tamed as she was on her previous records with NFR, which might explain why her most fervent critics finally gave her acknowledgment with this album. It's definitely not as polarizing as her past releases.

Agree. It's not like Lana is keeping that album alive herself and also it's not like outside of her fandom people are much interested in it either, might as well keep it alive on this dying thread. You're welcome, that really was one well written post!

I've listened to like 3-4 songs from it since the end of September. But I relate to this comment a lot.

I want to point out the fact that skirtsandsuits blocked you. That is an achievement in itself. I wish Lana's whole sorotity sisters/trust funds circle would block me too!

It definitely helps. Jack knows how the Grammys work, he's been nominated quite a few times (especially with his work with TSwift and won too) which I assume helps to get these nominations and look favorable in the eyes of the Academy.

My point exactly. I don't see how I'm being considered repetitive when the other comments are like "oh what song grew on you", or that other guy Jared coming here to quote yet another article about the album and had snarky comments about people like me (as well as many others) that don't like the album all too much. The pre-release thread was much more interesting.

Yeah sure, I'm literally the only person that comes here to repeat myself, as if other people on this boring thread don't do the same in other ways, like at all. Thanks for your input though. Agree to disagree, indeed.

The hype around the album died a week or so afterwards. Born To Die literally re-entered the Billboard 200 chart as of today, and is like 50 places in advance to NFR. So much for Lana's "magum opus" uh? (who's going to tell him that there's world of difference between making subpar music lacking beautiful visuals and being a cheap mainstream commercial "artist"? )

what is upsetting is seeing the same gifs over and over again, especially those featuring Jackoff, other than that I find you to be pretty harmless

Oof I don't even know how to adress it? We are a fair few that come here and express our thoughts about NFR. 3 isn't so accurate? I'd say around 10-12-ish maybe? On the other hand, coming here and seeing that some user (in that case one in particular) keeps quoting articles he wish he could've written, basically regurgitating other people's thoughts ad nauseam, which couldn't be more ironic. If your only contribution to a forum it copy-pasting what other people are saying about something in particular and try to pass this as facts. I don't think you have much room to talk about other people's comments or input when you don't have much original thought to throw in the ring yourself. Oh well.

This comment is honestly much more interesting, introspective and nuanced than any review, critique or thinkpieces I've read about NFR or Lana these past couple months. Thank you so much for your contribution!

Oh poor Jared. Must be sad to come here and actually see that people are discussing the album and everything Lana from their personal perspective. On the other hand, your only contribution to this community is copy-pasting the circlejerky articles about NFR and trying to pass those as facts, all the while re-posting the same gifs over and over again. Bold of you to assume that NFR will have the same cultural impact or longevity as Lana's previous albums too, last time I checked Born To Die was actually charting way higher than NFR, I guess that doesn't count, right? I don't see why us questioning the legitimacy of bitter critics that up until LFL had nothing but bullshit to write about Lana, now making a 180 turn to kiss her butt, is considered annoying or repetitive, while you only come here to quote those same sucky critics/reviews? Get over your sensitive self Jack, I mean Jared. Not every single fan on this forum will have the same level of appreciation for this record as you and other fans do. No one is losing their shit over this, but you.

Not super related to the music, but artwork/aesthetics wise I wish Lana would go back to collab with Neil Krug for the upcoming album. They did beautiful work together in the past! He's currently working on the visuals for Tame Impala's upcoming record and the pictures are just phenomenal! I wish Lana would relegate Chuck to a lesser role, her pictures and editing skills really aren't that impressive (I guess that counts as an unpopular opinion too, oh well). Edit: Not saying Chuck is untalented. I've seen her work for various publications, magazines and project she took parts for other artists. For the most part it's actually pretty great! But it just happened that everything she's done with and for Lana has looked so amateur and DIY-ish.

I mean I definitely agree with you about Lana finally being recognized for her talent. But I don't see how just because she was different than other "pop" girls when she first came in that she deserved to be treated like an alien. But also, the criticism targeting her extended much farther than "criticizing" an album, it was very rough and not justifiable. For years (and to some she still is) was considered that rich untalented girl that got a music contract because of her father. I just wish she had received that level of praise when she was not as "beige" or tamed if you will. But to each their own. I agree that there has been a shift around the release of UV, and then with HM and LFL. After each album there have been fans not happy with the direction she took, which is normal I guess. I personally have experienced a shift after she released LFL. I see NFR as being superior to it in many regards, but I still find it to be subpar and not as intricate or interesting as her first three records. I don't really care how much critics are eating shit up over it, it remains the same lackluster album to me. Agree to disagree.

My only problem with this outpouring of praise for this album from critics is that it's very dishonest for us fans to accept their opinions as facts when all these years Lana had been had the receiving end of so much negativity from her image/public perception to her performances, which definitely transpired through the criticism of her albums. As fans we are doing ourselves a disservice to actually be like "oh look critics finally acknowledged Lana's talent on this album" and use that as facts for the album so called 'greatness'. Well that's bullshit. Using critics that have relentlessly bashed and hate on Lana since she first hit the scene as Lana Del Rey, as creds to impose your views on this album is not only dishonest, but laughable. I'm honestly sure I can find negative critiques or thinkpieces about Lana's first three albums that were written by the very same critics that now revere her as the second coming over Christ. Critics echo one another, and this happen to be Lana's most tamed and sterile album, on which she definitely stripped away the "Del Rey" persona aspect of her music, or any "drama" for that matter. Of course they are going to praise it, they didn't like what she had to offer to begin with. Not saying that this is what you're doing, but coming here and copy-pasting these critiques/year end lists excerpts as proof of this album's alleged superiority is just deceiving and not representative of the reality. You said it yourself, I personally see NFR as being badly produced and mastered, and somewhat weak lyrically... I'm a fan, I've been into her music for seven years I listen to her albums countless times. I don't just listen to the album two or three times, write a couple paragraphs and call it a day. That's why there's an immense difference between a fan and a critic. Of course I'm going to be more 'picky' and pinpoint things that critics won't really think about (going back to the production and mastering). I'm going to let you decide which one you think is more worthwhile down the line. Critics don't make artists' longevity, fans do.

as far as collab with other singer(s)... none please. but if she were to ditch Jackoff ( ), I'd want Lana to start working with Kevin Parker. Please and thank you.