Neptune-Avenue

wow guess i was born under the right sign *aquarius pride... 
 
 i think her music is autobiographic (about her sect experience) but the visuals are about this.. your thery is solid .. because maybe she yerns to be a part of the source family she wants to find her people after all?... and these people seem  like what she was haoping to find in her own life and maybe.. she respects them and is just paying homage whilst telling her own story
 
maybe isis imperticular she identifies with i could see it..

Aquarian http://www.psyche.com/psyche/tarot/trumps/star.html
 

 

She added me as a friend last night. I'm working on it but it might take a while. I have a lot of respect for this woman so I don't want to rush it.

I thought the same.
 
All those theories about Lana singing about old sects and occultism are so creepy, but they make sense. I had never heard of the Source Family before. It was interesting to read about it, tho.

Lana's polyamory (if that is the right word... I think she has used the word "polygamy" but that doesn't seem to fit either) has been making me uncomfortable for awhile now -- but also opening my eyes to what it must be like for people who openly defy conventional mores. And frankly, some conventional mores need defying.
 
I say this as someone who wishes there was more room in our culture for both women and men who wish to pursue celibacy before marriage. I grew up in purity culture; I was raised to see "girls who do" as something Other, and my parents even questioned whether a close female friend of mine was "a good person" upon finding out she was sexually active. I am ashamed to admit I bought into it long enough to wonder how I would relate to my own daughter if she grew up to be someone "believing in sex before marriage."
 
THIS is cultural insanity. THIS is what is mentally unbalanced: pitting "good girls" against "bad girls," friends against friends, even mothers against daughters. This is what should outrage us: shaming women (regardless of their choices) for being embodied as sexual beings, shaming men (and women) for being attracted to them as sexual beings, and passing on plenty of sexual hang-ups to our daughters AND our sons, whether they are people who "do" or "don't."
 
The double standard doesn't work for us anymore, if it ever did. And attempting the pseudo-egalitarian solution of slut-shaming men as well as women doesn't cut it either. The world is becoming more complicated (culturally... sexually... ) and maybe that scares some people. But maybe this is an opportunity to find other ways of encouraging each other to be more loving, respectful, honorable human beings instead of resorting to the implication "just be more like me so I can feel better about you as well as myself." Many of us are not buying it anymore, and for that I am grateful. For my daughter's sake, and for the sake of other people's sons and daughters, I am grateful.
 
LDR is not alone in portraying female sexual empowerment; as others have pointed out, artists like Miley Cyrus are creating space for women to be fully embodied as themselves (for better or worse -- it is possible to see both, and still welcome the greater space). Lana is just more overtly analytical about it. I say we need her voice, even if I personally disagree with hers sometimes. I hope she doesn't suffer remorse for it. I hope she realizes she is on the front lines of something big -- even if she didn't ask for the confrontation, I hope she decides that being true to herself is worth it.

I look up to liberated women who have sex with whomever they want. It is ok. I could never do it coz I am so repressed.
Sexuality is not a dirty thing, it is beautiful. It comes from God. Religion really messed with people's heads making them feel unnaturally sinful. Nothing wrong with a good sweaty fuck if it is not illegal.
Jesus... A woman can screw around and still be a good person, daughter, citizen, whatever.
I can't believe this sexism... I only worry about Lana getting emotionally involved with a jerk and getting hurt.
Hope she gets all the action she needs and is fully satisfied and appreciated as a woman. Get it baby!! Write us more sexy songs.

All I ever hear is babbling. Whenever anyone talks to me, I just don't understand what they're saying. 
 

Harvey's in the sky. I just can't hear something else

dare i say it...... "i love casinos, and neon reservations"

In my mind, 'sizzling like a snare' was heard as 'sizzling like a snail'....which doesn't even make sense 

Check it out... She appears on 0:57.
 

LDR is the "created reality" of Lizzy Grant in her magical pop working http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/5098-ldr-interview-with-austrian-newspaper-krone/&do=findComment&comment=200510
 
 
There seems to be some truth to the idea that she wants to be seen as more of a bad bitch than she is; her explanation of "Ultraviolence" here is far more superficial than what she said in the NPR interview. The exoteric explanation is 'I like to get fucked hard' vs. the esoteric explanation, 'God likes to fuck me hard.' I.e., 'it's none of your business and you're not worth a real explanation, since you wouldn't understand it, anyways.' Such are the endless Veils of Mystery that this Isis has metaphorically enfolded herself.
 
"You can be my higher power baby
I can be your endless USA
We can go on drives for hours baby
Let's change our DNA"
 
That's a Tantric notion of seeing the divinity in one's partner; not the sort of thing said by someone who doesn't understand sex ...

You're right, it's not like she sings about a 'burning desire,' or being fucked 'hard in the pouring rain,' or actually depicts having sex on a pinball machine or anything overtly sexual in her art 
... Oh wait...

I think you're exaggerating a little... It's not like she has a bad disease
 
And she didn't say she fucked people that worked at her label, she said she has been with guys from the music industry and that could mean anything, from producers to musicians, like Barrie.
 
I think you're taking this a little too far, and I know that wasn't the brightest statement to make but people won't stop working with her or liking her just because she said it...

I hate how Lana's starting to talk and act more like a normal, responsible and mature human being, and you guys who were all for her wanting to kill herself and acting like a tantrum-prone three year old in all her interviews start criticising her for her perfectly normal and healthy sex life. Plus I' m pretty sure that whole "I slept with a lot of guys in the industry" was a joke.
 
Guys, she's just getting out of a 3 year relationship, if you seriously think what she's saying is abnormal then it's likely because she's still coming to terms with their breakup. It's kind of hilarious how you guys are suggesting Lana has sone sort of personality disorder... because you notice her behaving and talking irrationally.
 

 
Seriously guys. Just look at yourselves.

@@bloodredjam, I do find a lot of what you posted intriguing and thought-provoking, but I don't feel any differently towards Lana/Lizzy regarding the things she has stated this time around. 
 
A lot of people have sex just for fun, to try and feel something besides numbness, to assuage loneliness etc.  It doesn't mean they are using others or that they don't have good home lives.  As you said prior, these types of actions can arise from mental illness- or they cannot.  Doesn't really matter.  It's no reason to dislike Lana, unless you adhere to a strict morality.
 
I personally don't understand people who can do this, but I don't judge them.  I think they must be missing something and they're looking for it.  That's all.
 
I do enjoy armchair diagnosing people and, especially in the cases of celebrities, they make it too easy sometimes.  I dont find it disrespectful to do this as long as it's not judgment of their characters and instead genuine curiousity.

'What’s something you’ve destroyed that’s actually valuable to you? Probably the relationship I’ve been in for the last three years. Definitely demolished that through tons of depression and insecurity. Now it’s just an untenable relationship, impossible because of my emotional instability.'
 
 
http://www.complex.com/covers/lana-del-rey-interview-against-the-grain-2014-cover-story/?utm_campaign=complexmag+socialflow+07+2014&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

C'mon Barrie, leak everything you worked on together as revenge. 

Maybe she hasn't even slept around, but we don't know, the only person who knows the details of her sexual endeavours is her. If she wants to portray an image of someone who has had a lot of partners, so be it. I don't see it as irresponsible as it isn't for you and I, or any other member of the public to judge, although we (as in the public) seem to possess a sense of self righteousness and believe we do have the right to be judgemental. Like I said, it's her life, her choices. It doesn't mean she can't express familial values or beliefs at the same time. People of western culture tend to believe that human beings can't be contradictions, when in fact that's exactly what we are. I could go into a whole debate about the paradoxical nature of human nature but that's a different topic. But pray tell exactly what values she has expressed which stand in contrast to her having a lot of partners? 
I don't think all people who participate in casual sex have issues with loyalty and respect. Yeah there's a hundred reasons people do it (and I said earlier, I don't know Lana's), but I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to people who lead others on and treat 'others like a piece of meat of their ephemeral desire.' No strings sex between two consenting adults can be just that, no strings fun, as long as both parties are informed, that's all it is.

Sigh. The powers of clairvoyance that some people on this board possess is astounding sometimes. I would have thought we were past the point where sexual behaviour wasn't seen as conflicting with loving being around your family, but apparently we've still got a long way to go, baby. 
 
Here is an alternative explanation for some of the behaviour that doesn't require pretending to have some insight into the mental processes of somebody who you've never met. 
 
Singing, writing, performing, dancing, public relations, mixing with people, taking criticism and being optimistic are all different characteristics or skills. A person can have a few, or all, or none of these, but having one doesn't necessarily mean that you would be expected to have any of the others. To be a pop star, though, you're meant to have all of them, to an extreme degree. Each of us will decide which of them is more important - some people don't think a person should be considered a singer if they can't perform live, others don't care as long as they sound good on record. Some of us don't want to see a singer who can't dance at the same time, others of us don't care. Some of us don't care who a singer treats her fans, others of us really care about how the performer relates to people who like her. But you cannot ascribe a mental iilness to somebody because they are missing a few of these attributes. 
 
Even if Lizzy always wanted to be successful, the fact that there are parts of fame that make her miserable don't make her a hypocrite. They just mean that she couldn't see the future (like most of us can't), and the things that she was looking for in being famous came with a higher price than she expected. It's an age old story, and the only artists who manage to get through it are the ones who find a way to ignore all of the bullshit and focus entirely on the creative process. The rest either burn out or overdose or freak out. I'm hoping that the shift in tone in reporting on Lana - from beautiful puppet to worthwhile songwriter and singer - helps her to make the transition, but at this point, anything can happen. 
 
The Beatles stopped performing live because they couldn't hear themselves on stage, and because nobody cared about what they sounded like. Maybe Lana will decide that the chance to see the smiles on the people in the front row is not worth all of the bullshit, and she'll stop singing live as well. It's 100% true that some of her songs live are better than others, and some of her shows are better than others, and she has a few decisions to make about performing. But from her perspective, the things that she enjoyed doing - that were her way into the industry - had nothing to do with standing in front of 50,000 fans. They were writing, singing and putting together videos, and all of them could be done in a small room with only a few people around. That's an attitude I can relate to.
 
Finally, relationships fall apart for all sorts of reasons, and there is no such thing as the objective truth of why something fucks up. Everybody who has an opinion is either a biased participant, or someone who doesn't know what happened. So when it comes to her time with Barrie and what went wrong, the only reasonable response is to nod and move on, and accept what both of them say about it as their take on it.

So in the recent Complex magazine interview, which you can read here, the interviewer asked 'What defines being in a good place?', to which Lana responded:
 
"Feeling really happy and just circumstantially like nothing’s going wrong, which becomes more difficult but that’s only my experience. I think a lot of people think the whole thing is really great. Making Brooklyn my home base for the last two and a half weeks has really helped me out, like I’ve actually started thinking conceptually that I have this addition, an addition to this record that could come really easily. That hasn't happened in a long time. Not since I wrote that Paradise addition to Born to Die, which I really loved."
 
Could this mean a re-release of Ultraviolence with extra tracks, a la 'Born to Die: The Paradise Edition'?
 
Thanks to DelReyLane on twitter for pointing this out!

i think shes been like playfully sarcastic... with a slight undertone of "only if it was that easy lol"  almost as if to say "the least i could have gotten was some musical exposure"     

i think shes been like playfully sarcastic... with a slight undertone of "only if it was that easy lol"  almost as if to say "the least i could have gotten was some musical exposure"     

This interview is so good. She's happy and casual and honest and YES at her talking about FMWUTTT