Rorman Nockwell

Probably will have an actual baby before the album is released at this rate ...

Oh my God ... Moby?! Eurghhhh

Does anyone understand? That story is like ... people's tattoos, mother's day, sis, mother's day ... Is she actually preggo? To Jack? That's why she's in the mother's day bit? Help me understand. Also, Spidey senses that she's gonna post soon. ETA: ohhh maybe it's a clue and it means she's preggo with NFR ... count 9 months fwd from the MAC release and that's the release date? Plausible af.

It should drop a few days before. That's what usually happens. Then again, sis isn't usual ...

I mean, I'm just guessing ... haha To be fair, she went to the BHH ages ago, before the Sultan announced he'd stone gays. Her friend either went there again or re-posted a pic from when she went before. I'm not sure which because I didn't care enough to check. Can't defend the Hillsong, though. Zzz.

Just to clarify I'm not saying her friends are responsible; only that they form part of the overall discussion because they're part of her new lifestyle. Most of all, I hope she's genuinely happy. Everyone deserves happiness is a butterfly. And we deserve it rn.

So do we surmise that she doesn't care about NFR because they don't care about her, or they don't care about her because she doesn't care about NFR? Who didn't care first? I've had too many antihistamines Was it Ben that said it wasn't finished? Maybe when she said it was, she thought it was, but he told her she had to change it so he said it wasn't. But she insists that it is. And that's why she isn't doing anything. And that's why nothing is happening. I-

Point taken but is anyone really serious? Because I'm just fucking around, and I can't speak for others but I suspect that they are, too. I wouldn't be here if I genuinely disliked sis. Quite frankly, our comments are much, much kinder than her Instagram comments ...

I maintain that she's terrible and awful at social and political statements and songs, which is why it was so distressing to see that she recently followed CNN Politics. I mean, it's good that she's (perhaps) trying to educate herself, but my preference is still for her to STFU about social and political issues because it's always a fucking disaster. Some people just aren't good at it, and she's one of them. Musically, I would really prefer that she just did not. Remember when she talked about Coachella and she was all, "I woke up one day and there were NORTH KOREAN MISSILES pointed at California" (or whatever, I'm dramatising)? Well, when I read that NFR quote about how she and Jack would talk about whatever news headlines they'd heard that day, about Trump being president, etc. I just thought, "oh, fuck no ... not again." I have my suspicions that one or two tracks will be political and they will almost certainly be my skips.

I didn't realise that Chuck is apparently in a relationship with that Svetlana girl that's always on her IG? I mean, I suspected, but she just posted a story of them both wearing rings, tagged Svetlana, and it says "6 months". Cute af.

Honestly, Doin' Time is perfect for her to cover because of these lyrics (which she should change to first person when she sings them): Evil I've come to tell you that she's evil most definitely Evil Ornery scandalous and evil most definitely The tension is getting hotter I'd like to hold her head underwater I've put it into my current playlist and I sing that part extra loudly.

I understand what you're saying, and I 100% agree about becoming too emotionally invested/frustrated over someone else's life/decisions. That's not healthy or productive. However ... I don't think that discussion of her friends is irrelevant, given that they are part of her new ... lifestyle (if we could call it that) and that that lifestyle seems to be, at least partially, the reason for the NFR delay. As I said, it's her life, and her decisions, but as a public figure, she can expect to have those decisions scrutinised and seeing as this is a discussion board, I don't feel that it's wrong to do so here. All I can say is, if my BFF put up a pic of herself in front of the Beverly Hills Hotel, we'd be having words. And I'm not even a famous bitch with millions of gay fans. I don't even know how I feel about NFR being released in the context of this phase, and whether it will influence how I will feel about the music, but I'll rant about that another time. I'm hoping the cover is a reproduction of one of Norman's works ... there are so many good options ... like that one someone posted awhile ago with a woman slumped against a wall with a book in her lap. She could replace all the objects with objects pertaining to her and it'd be sooo much fun to see.

Yeahhhh I'm not keen on jail, and we both know Ben wouldn't rest until we were in one.

It could be practical ... if we bugged the baskets.

What is wrong with you? Move. The. Fuck. On. You're tiresome. Blocking.

Thankfully, your opinion isn't the gauge for what is or isn't. Move on.

It's a joke. Just about every time you post, it's to police someone. Breathe. Or block. Idc.

We need to find the person who insisted that it was sent to radio (because let's face it, it wasn't her idea) and make them make her do other stuff. A simple solution, really. Also Elizabeth is following Elvis' granddaughter and I hope it means she's going to be involved in Baz's biopic.

This is without doubt the messiest pre-release of any artist I've ever known. I am surprised that Interscope is letting her behave this way, honestly. You would think that certain standards of professionalism would apply. Like, 50865774854 fans are clearly confused and asking ... even the articles out in the past few days about the DT snippet are all, "the release date for Norman Fuckimg Rockwell is still a mystery ...". You would think someone from Interscope would tweet something, or ask Elizabeth to, or something. Maybe I expect too much, but I find it quite mind-blowing.

Damn, I'm out. Oh, wait. I'm back in. I propose that we concoct an outlandish but brilliant lie and spread it everywhere. The lie will be so spectacularly ridiculous that someone with insider knowledge will feel compelled to correct it with the truth. I just haven't thought of what the outlandish but brilliant lie is yet, but give me time.

Nobody knows but I'm going to say it will be, because the album supposedly has 13 tracks and Elizabeth has demonstrated a preference for doing the minimum required. So, she'd only have to come up with 12 other songs instead of 13. It's like when you have to write an essay and you're 50 words short so you start making verbose substitutions wherever possible. Fucking flawless analogy and logic, I know.

She so does, and you won't convince me otherwise. As if you wouldn't read a message board that is entirely about you with 9,000 of your fans on it. It's not like she gets any meaningful feedback on social media; this board is a great resource to gauge fan reactions, and even to get ideas. Wouldn't even surprise me if she posts. Would the real Elizabeth please stand up? Or remain seated and release NFR. Either is fine.

I joked about this on the Unpopular Opinions thread - that the silence surrounding NFR is a carefully orchestrated ploy to make all of the gays unstan. She spent so many years crafting a glamorous "fuck me" image and she's frustrated because everyone who likes her is gay or female (or both - but she's straight so she isn't going to keep it up just for them). In that extended 2-hour interview recording she almost sounded hopeful when she talked about finding out that straight men listen to her music. All 5 of them.

I thought so. Like Vertimus, I mean no disrespect, but it's a bit confusing, especially for newer members like myself. I don't think anyone was intentionally trying to derail this thread, it was just the natural progression of the discussion. ETA: Never mind, the admin was kind enough to explain it to me in PM so all good, all good. Anyway, we're definitely not getting anything NFR-related between now and the 20th, so maybe we should lock this thread down like a tangerine penitentiary.

If Elizabeth goes to the Beverly Hills Hotel - I'll forgive the previous time because nobody was aware - then I reserve the right to unstan. I know she's prone to gaffes but there's no way she doesn't know about it, if Chuck knows. I mean, she can't drag Kanye for supporting Trump (and cite his mistreatment of women) but then support a hotel whose owner would happily stone at least 50% of her fan base to death if they ever set foot in his country. I don't recall ever seeing Chuck with Elizabeth and those bitches. Am I mistaken? Anyway ... this period between now and the 20th really sucks, because you know nothing else (especially NFR-related) is going to happen in the meantime.