Rorman Nockwell

Every year my family has a Christmas playlist that we play throughout the day, and it's just as painful as it sounds. I'm definitely putting HTD on it this year.
 
Last year I convinced my sister to add Shades of Cool onto it by insisting that it was a Christmas song 'cos of the title.

Great post. 
 
In one of her interviews she was asked about working with Jack. I can't quite remember exactly how she worded it, but she said something about how cheery and positive he is, and that it was nice to not hear "that sucks". Then she said, "I have heard that a lot from other producers". 
 
That made me wonder if Jack is a "yes" person. It would certainly explain the lack of structure in these songs as well as the technical errors. 

Well, I think that part is actually quite clever. I ranted about this somewhere else, but I forget where.
 
I think the stutter represents relapsing into alcoholism. Most alcoholics don't just get sober and stay sober ... it's a shaky road to sobriety, and they "stutter". And I think the "ha ha ha ha" is similar in that it represents a kind of ... amused resignation that she'll never, truly be 100% "cured".
 
I stan Bar-t-t-tender.

Well, I think that part is actually quite clever. I ranted about this somewhere else, but I forget where.
 
I think the stutter represents relapsing into alcoholism. Most alcoholics don't just get sober and stay sober ... it's a shaky road to sobriety, and they "stutter". And I think the "ha ha ha ha" is similar in that it represents a kind of ... amused resignation that she'll never, truly be 100% "cured".
 
I stan Bar-t-t-tender.

I thought I might as well be really unpopular:
 
I do not like that she's mentioned this new album the same day as she dropped NFR. It makes me very uneasy and I really wish it was all a lie.
 
1. She's definitely working with Jack again, so we can expect more of all of the stuff I just bitched about.
2. She seems almost manic, and of course it's her prerogative, but doing two albums back-to-back + touring + 341232 soundtracks seems like a really great way to burn out.
3. The title, "White Hot Forever" is quite alarming ... I don't even know what to think. I am scared of the unknown.
4. I am downright TERRIFIED of what she's writing about, given her current influences, which include Beverly Hills social climbers and Churchome.

There's going to be fightin', but I'm going to say it:
 
Jack Antonoff simply isn't the genius that most of the people here think he is. I'm not saying he's untalented, and he's obvious good at playing a range of instruments, but imo, he tries to be ... pun intended ... Jack of all trades and as a result, I think the production of NFR suffered.
 
There are some very obvious flaws. For example, the vocals in HTD increase in volume noticeably at 1:25 when the jingle bells come in, and that mic change in Cinnamon near the start.
 
There's just a lot of "rookie error" type o' shit, yet these people get paid shitloads and they had plenty of time to fix all of this up.
 
They definitely remastered VB and MAC between their release and the album release. It just seems sketchy as fuck to be remastering two tracks that are less than a year old. The fact that they found stuff they could improve in that amount of time tells me that they didn't do it properly the first time. You remaster 10 years later when the technology has improved; not 12 fucking months later. It screams "mess".
 
I always got the impression that Lanz was very pedantic when it came to mixing and mastering, so I'm surprised she let this shit fly.
 
Jack, I do not love this chord production

I saw you quoted and scrolled for ages trying to find your post wtf i hate when ppl change their profile pics
 
I think these are massively connected tbh. Rick seem(ed) like he kept her very grounded by challenging her creatively, and yeah it can get boring listening over and over to the same section of music over and over again but any artist / writer / musician will tell you that that's how you get a great piece of art as opposed to an alright one. To use an example, when I saw Van Morrison live it was kind of a trip because he had jazzy / rocky music that you would associate with meandering and spontaneous solos, but watch a live performance and you realise he has that shit tightly packed- there isn't a beat out of place. Precision in art always wins over sloppiness in the long run. Even steven king, who I would consider something of a sloppy writer, reads his books through a couple of times and the sloppiness in it is more of a stylistic thing than anything. I think she's spent so long working with producers that run tight ships that she's getting a bit manic working with one who's fine with finishing a song in the space of a day- people that write as much and as quickly as she does needs someone to put the brakes on and decide whether a line works, whether it fits, whether it's good or not. Looking at what production gems people rave about in the post-release threads of HM and NFR makes me almost sad- with HM it's the hospital-like microbeats in the blackest day and with NFR it's a kind of quiet electric guitar in HIAB lmao.
 
also what sparklejumpropenoose said about jackoff's music sounding like other people's quite a lot is very true. I love the title track a lot but the initial strings sound so much like a certain song that I KNOW jackoff's heard that it's incredible he hasn't been sued if this is his signature move lol. I hope she doesn't burn out but she's going to, and going to hard.

I could be wrong, but I don't think she ever said it would be bundled ... I think we just speculated.
 
She said back in March (?) that she wanted to put it out before the album, and she said it'd be sold at book stores in Silver Lake, and that it'd be $1. As far as I know those are the only things she said in regard to when/where it'd be available.
 
Maybe she just feels content to have shared it all on her insta and to have some of it published in Vogue. I mean she's selling postcards for $5 so I just don't see how she'd sell an entire book for a $1. She would absolutely be selling it at a loss, not to mention that if it wasn't available worldwide, people would be pissed off. She probably put it in the too hard basket as a result.
 
I think she just gets bored of stuff easily. Many of us can relate.

I mean she's done like 25 interviews the past few days, and she's mentioned a tonne of random non NFR shit ... but absolutely nothing about this. Like she even said she's going to do a video of herself ice skating to Young and Beautiful ( ), but not a single fuck word about the poetry book.
 
It's either gone and forgotten, or she's adapting some of the poetry as lyrics for WHF.
 
Did anyone else notice that, with the last poem she read out, the paper was all tattered? She probably threw the entire book in the bin, got bored, plucked a page out and decided to make that video.

I Googled White Hot Forever and found all this crazy chakra shit and well, I wouldn't be surprised if this type o' shit is the inspo:
 
 
https://www.sunnyray.org/White-ray.htm

Hey look! Lanz has this message for Bartender haters:
 
 
 

I thought I might as well be really unpopular:
 
I do not like that she's mentioned this new album the same day as she dropped NFR. It makes me very uneasy and I really wish it was all a lie.
 
1. She's definitely working with Jack again, so we can expect more of all of the stuff I just bitched about.
2. She seems almost manic, and of course it's her prerogative, but doing two albums back-to-back + touring + 341232 soundtracks seems like a really great way to burn out.
3. The title, "White Hot Forever" is quite alarming ... I don't even know what to think. I am scared of the unknown.
4. I am downright TERRIFIED of what she's writing about, given her current influences, which include Beverly Hills social climbers and Churchome.

There's going to be fightin', but I'm going to say it:
 
Jack Antonoff simply isn't the genius that most of the people here think he is. I'm not saying he's untalented, and he's obvious good at playing a range of instruments, but imo, he tries to be ... pun intended ... Jack of all trades and as a result, I think the production of NFR suffered.
 
There are some very obvious flaws. For example, the vocals in HTD increase in volume noticeably at 1:25 when the jingle bells come in, and that mic change in Cinnamon near the start.
 
There's just a lot of "rookie error" type o' shit, yet these people get paid shitloads and they had plenty of time to fix all of this up.
 
They definitely remastered VB and MAC between their release and the album release. It just seems sketchy as fuck to be remastering two tracks that are less than a year old. The fact that they found stuff they could improve in that amount of time tells me that they didn't do it properly the first time. You remaster 10 years later when the technology has improved; not 12 fucking months later. It screams "mess".
 
I always got the impression that Lanz was very pedantic when it came to mixing and mastering, so I'm surprised she let this shit fly.
 
Jack, I do not love this chord production

I Googled White Hot Forever and found all this crazy chakra shit and well, I wouldn't be surprised if this type o' shit is the inspo:
 
 
https://www.sunnyray.org/White-ray.htm

I Googled White Hot Forever and found all this crazy chakra shit and well, I wouldn't be surprised if this type o' shit is the inspo:
 
 
https://www.sunnyray.org/White-ray.htm

I mean I guess you can choose between some white noise or mic swaps and bumps, fucked up loops, jingle bells and random volume increases.
 
I'll take the white noise every time.
 
But I'd prefer she work with someone completely different, I just don't know who that should be.

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I Googled White Hot Forever and found all this crazy chakra shit and well, I wouldn't be surprised if this type o' shit is the inspo:
 
 
https://www.sunnyray.org/White-ray.htm

Why is this excellent..... 

Right?
 
Is anyone else in shock? My brain has not caught up. I'm still blinking at the screen going ... "what the fuck ... I am actually shitposting in a thread about an upcoming album on NFR release day."
 
Today, on Days of our Lanz:
 
Sis dropped a DT mv
Sis has an ice cream truck
Courtney dragged sis in her insta comments over the driver of the ice cream truck
Chase posted and then deleted a story of himself listening to DT
Barrie posted a photo of himself at a piano, taken by sis
Sis described her love life as "colourful" (see above)
Sis moved to San Diego
Sis is doing Alice in Wonderland shit
Sis is having a pop-up surf shop
SIS HAS A NEW FUCKING ALBUM
 
Did I miss anything?

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With the album reviews, a few outlets have credited this photo to Pamela Cochrane. So are we ready to discuss at length how lana's only press photo for this album is taken on an iPhone by her make up artist on the set of her music video.    Which honestly I don't care about at all because she looks like a total bombshell....... I hope there was a photographer on set and official photos eventually emerge (they won't.)