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  1. BluebirdXO liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    this is the right one, but since it is the social ticket u will have to bring 1kg of non-perishable food and leave it at the entrance of the event, that's why the value is lower than the full ticket
  2. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by BlackoutZone in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    I think it's time to talk about the iconic trio of UV outtakes - Yes to Heaven, Fine China & Your Girl. It's a twisted web and I'm not really good with phrasing and explaining such things so it might be difficult for you to understand everything (especially if you have no technical background on how songs are being produced), but I'll try to walk you through it all step by step and if something remains unclear I will try to explain it further!
     
    These 3 songs were originally written and produced alongside Rick Nowels and his engineers back in late 2013. We first found out about their existence in 2016 when Eclipse obtained the demos and revealed the titles/snippets. They later happened to spread and leak becoming mysterious fan favorites and sadly as beloved and iconic in the community they are, all 3 are fake...
    well, technically.
     
    To understand why they are fake I need to give you a full breakdown of what happened.
    It must have started with Eclipse getting his hands on an invoice from Patrick Warren who was responsible for recording and engineering Keys/Strings on some of the songs at that time. That listing apart from tracks that were released included Say Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl which have been fully unknown to the public. He contacts Patrick and using that info tries to get the demos from him, I assume under the suggestion that Lana is considering re-using the songs and tries to get the tracks/parts back. The thing is, Patrick is just someone who records his small part for the mix, he isn't actively working on the song as a producer so he doesn't really have access to all the material. Still though, he had some loose stems/sessions parts I assume, without properly bounced mix, he challenged himself to create mixes of all 3 that would be serviceable for that moment.
     
    If you check the original files of all 3 leaked tracks, you'll find in the metadata that those demos were exported in Logic 10.2.2. That version of Logic Pro was released on March 8th, 2016 so any mix could not be older than that and of course the original ones were made in 2013. Not to mention the fact that Rick and his engineers work with Pro Tools, not Logic, unlike Patrick. But this goes even further. Patrick's available stems of the tracks were seemingly so incomplete he decided to create new production and structure for the songs making complete new versions that were unlike what Lana and Rick originally curated. He sent those back to Eclipse alongside the very incomplete stems.
     
    This mess doesn't end here. You see Patrick Warren's job is to deliver the stems containing the new parts he was issued to arrange and engineer. Since he is often doing it independently of the rest, he adds a little bit of the song's intro at the beginning of every stem file he bounces so that when Rick receives it he knows how to place it in the mix alongside his parts. It's usually like 20/30 seconds and you can see what I'm talking about, because Eclipse shared some stems snippets from the files he received:
    https://onlyfiles.io/f/e0236e30cb224f9e8618fe09ab0b9bc3
    https://onlyfiles.io/f/ce703d3a5a204566bd31278eb667e6f7
    Thank you @TheBoss for providing these to me
     
    The first seconds here are the intros of real Rick reference demos, the latter parts however are already stems/mixes of what Patrick attempted to make in 2016. If you want some more closure, there is something @Say Yes to Heaven mentioned already - Eclipse must have received another pack of the same fashion later in 2016 of upcoming LFL track, Something Real (aka 13 Beaches). If you remember those times well, his exact teaser said "You took the.. #SR". This was most probably, because the singular stems he received as Something Real ALSO contained a few seconds of actual song at the beginning that happened to cut right after Lana saying "You took t..". In the full official credits you can see that Patrick is credited on 13 Beaches for "Waterphone", "Harmonium" and "Synthesizer".
     
    Now circling back, while Fine China and Your Girl only had one mix leaked, Yes to Heaven also had this:
     
    And this one is also fake, but it's technically closer to being a real thing than the Patrick mix. I don't know if this one was made by Eclipse or someone who got the stems from him, but this must have been made with filtered acapella of the Patrick Warren version, mixed with additional stems he provided and then layered with the looped guitar/drum pattern from the intro that I mentioned previously. But that guitar loop was literally a fundament of very first version of Yes to Heaven (unlike the Patrick mix that begins with strings) so you can imagine how it sounded based on this.
     
    The first real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is the one leaked by Music Mafia which is a James Ford demo from late March/early April 2014. At that stage UV was shaping as an album, Rob Orton started properly mixing it and Lana decided to take last attempts to find the right production for the song by asking James Ford to give it a try. Sadly it also got discarded and at that point they just let go of the song (at least for that era).
     
    The second real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is from latter part of 2014, 3:31 in length with leading production by STINT. Keep in mind though that while I refer to those versions as James Ford produced / STINT produced demos, they are all based on Rick's demos they got presented to work with. I think it's just easier to name them as such for clear sorting purposes. Even though the song was being worked on in both 2014 and 2015 they still failed to include it on HM as well.
     
    It's fortunate for you that those happened to leak, cause Patrick's SYTH was the most different to the real demos from UV. Fine China is also pretty different, while Your Girl early demos (not the final though) are fairly similar to Patrick's mix. I mentioned earlier that both Fine China and Your Girl got mixed by Rob Orton alongside UV so they've been scrapped from the release on very last minute and unlike Yes to Heaven - ditched for good right after.
     
    The weirdest thing in all this is that those quick Patrick Warren mixes are great... even though the mixing is clearly rushed and poor. The harmonica break in Yes to Heaven, the organs in Your Girl chorus, that stuff was never meant to be there, but hell it works. This sadly also means that if Patrick only sent those 160kbps mp3 files, the better ones don't exist.
     
    That is all for now, unless @111 would like to now come forward and add something that I missed/got wrong. I also do not really believe that you didn't know the truth about all of this back then so I don't understand why you never revealed that the mixes aren't real. I think die hard fans deserve that kind of closure about some of the most iconic unreleased songs.
     
    This took me years to figure out with massive help of someone who is also present on this very forum and I have mad respect for, thank you again!
  3. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by 111 in Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd - Pre-Release Thread: OUT March 24th, 2023   
    i'm a good boy, i won the attention whore award, i'm a legend etc.
     

  4. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by 111 in Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd - Pre-Release Thread: OUT March 24th, 2023   
    A&W 
    LANA DEL REY, JACK ANTONOFF
    7:13
    14.02.2023 - 4PM GMT
    (no single cover atm its just the album cover... might be uploaded later)
    happy valentines day xoxo

  5. Elina liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    I did some research and apparently this year u don't need to bring food! I got confused because I went to the last/first edition of Mita and those who had bought the social ticket had to bring non-perishable food, but this year according to the instagram and the festival website a part of the ticket price goes to the institutions they are supporting.
    Anyway, I hope u, fl0r1da and Lana have a great time here in Brazil <3 
    https://www.eventim.com.br/event/mita-jockey-club-brasileiro-16509066/#:~:text=O evento disponibiliza o Ingresso Social%2C acessível a todo o público%2C e que tem parte de sua renda revertida para as instituições de responsabilidade social e ambiental parceiras do MITA.
  6. Elina liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    this is the right one, but since it is the social ticket u will have to bring 1kg of non-perishable food and leave it at the entrance of the event, that's why the value is lower than the full ticket
  7. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by Burthdaykake in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    Hii, I went to the box office in person today to get my ticket and when I asked them about the social ticket and they told me we need to take the food just like any other event. As MITA is really badly organized, I can’t really tell you if it’s confirmed, but at least I could get some info from someone who works there and it’s honestly better be safe than sorry!
    Good luck, everyone. I’m excited to see you there 💋
     
  8. fl0r1dakil0s liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    I did some research and apparently this year u don't need to bring food! I got confused because I went to the last/first edition of Mita and those who had bought the social ticket had to bring non-perishable food, but this year according to the instagram and the festival website a part of the ticket price goes to the institutions they are supporting.
    Anyway, I hope u, fl0r1da and Lana have a great time here in Brazil <3 
    https://www.eventim.com.br/event/mita-jockey-club-brasileiro-16509066/#:~:text=O evento disponibiliza o Ingresso Social%2C acessível a todo o público%2C e que tem parte de sua renda revertida para as instituições de responsabilidade social e ambiental parceiras do MITA.
  9. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by prettywhenimhigh in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    I don't think the non perishable food is needed in this event, it doesn't say anywhere on the event's socials you should bring it. I know it's the norm here but I think this time around only part of the money is going to institutions
  10. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by fl0r1dakil0s in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    i'm going to brazil bitchesss
     

     
     
    me at the supermarket the day before filling up a bag with cans of beans and soup (does it matter what kind of food i bring ? - is there a telegram or something where i can talk to other ppl that r going to ask questions etc?)
     

     
     
  11. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by prettywhenimhigh in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    I'm from here lmao I hope we all have the best time of our lives!!!
  12. prettywhenimhigh liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    I did some research and apparently this year u don't need to bring food! I got confused because I went to the last/first edition of Mita and those who had bought the social ticket had to bring non-perishable food, but this year according to the instagram and the festival website a part of the ticket price goes to the institutions they are supporting.
    Anyway, I hope u, fl0r1da and Lana have a great time here in Brazil <3 
    https://www.eventim.com.br/event/mita-jockey-club-brasileiro-16509066/#:~:text=O evento disponibiliza o Ingresso Social%2C acessível a todo o público%2C e que tem parte de sua renda revertida para as instituições de responsabilidade social e ambiental parceiras do MITA.
  13. fl0r1dakil0s liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil @ MITA Festival - May 27th, 2023   
    this is the right one, but since it is the social ticket u will have to bring 1kg of non-perishable food and leave it at the entrance of the event, that's why the value is lower than the full ticket
  14. Morningcrow liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in Random Lana Discussion Thread   
    can anyone confirm if it is real?
     
  15. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by ethelcain in Random Lana Discussion Thread   
    we've been over this 
  16. Salem Prose liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    i was putting a lot of faith that this song was going to be a work of art 
     
  17. Crazy for You liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    i was putting a lot of faith that this song was going to be a work of art 
     
  18. the blackest day liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    i was putting a lot of faith that this song was going to be a work of art 
     
  19. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by BlackoutZone in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    Seems like that's a wrap for now! I think I said everything essential that I wanted to say. Hope this brought some closure to those who were seeking it or that at least you learnt something interesting. It was fun and maybe one day I will come back to talk more, maybe in upcoming years more interesting stuff to talk about will surface as well. Thanks for joining and being all nice and respectful. And remember, Lana's word is always above me or any of us, she is the artist and the visionary and none of us other than her will fully know the truth about all those mysterious things.
     
    Pre-order and stream the amazing Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd, out March 10th!
  20. GeminiLanaFan liked a post in a topic by TheDragonslayer in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    i was putting a lot of faith that this song was going to be a work of art 
     
  21. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by Deleted Member in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    Ocean Blvd release day livestream: “I love the song I’m Comin for Ya… why did you leak that”
  22. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by evalionisameme in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    I can answer some of this Lizzy stuff-
    she didn’t receive any financial help for 5 Point records material as confirmed by the comp from her dad.
     
    She did live in a trailer and at one point a dark room with no windows after leaving the trailer park.
     
    It can be speculated that her parents would not finance her especially Pat due to Lanas various drug addictions-meth and alcohol.
     
    She took a loan out at one point which she paid off after the BTD era and spent some of it on her cosmetic work.
     
     
    She lived with Ben for awhile in London while she regrouped her career and signed a record deal with interscope. 
  23. TheDragonslayer liked a post in a topic by x VB in LDR Album Process Discussion   
    @BlackoutZone was If You Lie Down With Me re-recorded for Blue Banisters or did they use old vocals/the acapella from the demo?
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