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Is it just me or does anyone else want to start singing Tennessee Waltz when Chelsea Hotel No. 2 starts?

Ha! My very first thought when i started watching the video was that i was glad to see she was using a beat up, taped up SM57 (probably the most common low end microphone of the last 30 years) rather than resorting to the cliched, gimmicky 55S, which is just such a tired visual device at this point. It's nice to see they went for something understated, real, mundane. It's such a tiny detail, but i don't know, it's refreshing that a Lana Del Rey video doesn't always have to be tapping into that silly "vintage" trope (i say as i ignore the fact that the entire video has an Instagram-like filter applied to it).

God, you are so good at always finding the most appropriate references. I wish Trololo would play in stores when i went shopping. Maybe that would ease my mind.

I will tell everyone about you, Loon. Your career and forum fame will be over. Don't toy with my neuroses.

I'm really neurotic and have a lot of irrational fears and paranoia. One of these is that every time i am in a store i always think that everyone in the store is convinced that i'm stealing stuff. It doesn't matter what my mood is, or what the store is, or how i'm dressed, etc. Nothing affects it, i just always fear that people are thinking this. I once stole a pack of guitar strings when i was like 14 and that's the only time i've ever stolen, so the fear isn't based on past behavior. Similar to this, every time a new troll account crops up, i have the same irrational fear, that everyone is thinking i'm behind the troll account. It makes me nervous. I can't ever quell my worries. Do you two realize what you have just done by making these comments??

Yeah, d00d, she's also got a mustache, did u see that shit, brO? Get rid of that and b a woman!!!1

This is new to me. Nice find, Tee Pee Dee. Dang, you got The Boss and The Doors, and edna got a JB song with some hefty praise. Why u no play a BB song 4 Moni, Lana, and make me swoon 2? God, It Was A Very Good Year is such a fucking monster of a song and arrangement, it almost makes me sweat. Or cry. Or jump out a window. Or rejoice. And i don’t even like Sinatra. I wonder what that vision is for a record that she says would take a while to create. That sounds so intriguing. I wish she was as in control of her music as she seems to be of her videos. That’s what i want. I’m really curious what that would lead to. When she was describing each producers’ role and she got to Emile Haynie, i just laughed: “He kind of finishes up each track...” Yeah, he does, Lana, he sure does. Skip that step in the future, k? I’m with her on Cola being the coolest song on the record

Ha, i figured some of you would be puzzled. I didn't mean to imply that the movie itself is just, to use your phrase, an exercise in trolling, just the marketing/trailer. It's a Harmony Korine film. With Disney actors. And James Franco. And Gucci Mane. Called Spring Breakers. Shot on location in Florida. On Spring Break. Therein lies the absurdity (to those who are familiar with Korine and his previous work). But i don't think he wasn't serious about making the film and that he was only trying to antagonize a misled audience. I think he set out to create a film that reflects certain aspects of our culture back at us in a grotesque, exaggerated way--hence the well-known actors he chose (one reviewer argues that the movie would not have worked without this cast) and the decision to shoot on location with real life spring breakers--and so a perfect opportunity was taken to market the movie in a manner that complements what i think might be the movie’s purpose. I'll let you know after i watch it probably this weekend As a point of reference, watch the trailer for his directorial debut, Gummo from 1997, which was one of my favorite movies for many years, and i still hold dear to me (though his 2007 film Mister Lonely is more in line with what i look for in a movie these days, and it was also where i think he fully develops a unique film language). At any rate i’ve always considered the Gummo trailer to be one of the very best movie trailers; it’s like a short film in itself. As you watch it, keep in mind that this is the same writer/director--it might help you see the absurdity, curiosity, and appeal in the idea of a polarizing, uncompromising, singular director, the likes of Terrence Malick, Werner Herzog, and John Cassavetes, who have all heavily influenced him, making this movie Spring Breakers.

So, there’s this happening now: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/steubenville-rapist-appeal/63290/

Now, i haven't seen it yet, but i'm a longtime fan of the writer/director Harmony Korine (his movies Gummo and Mister Lonely are two of my all time favorites), and i've been devilishly anticipating, since i first heard about the project about a year ago, seeing teenagers by the droves walk out of the theater within the first 20 minutes. From what i've seen, already, as was expected, a lot of people (who were obviously going to the movie to watch Selena Gomez and Vanessa Hudgens shoot guns and act "slutty") are saying that it's the worst movie they've ever seen. I guess i shouldn't be too surprised that the film has not been talked about at all in the context of its auteur director. It's like he is completely detached from the movie. And i have yet to hear almost anything about this movie from his fans or usual followers. It's just all been a big hype machine and talk of Disney stars in bikinis, James Franco as a thug, and spring break debauchery. When i first heard about the project i realized it was going to be one of the greatest stunts pulled by a director in recent film history, a big budget act of trolling, and an ingenious, highly calculated ruse to get kids looking for a spring break escapist movie to go to a "slow" art house film. Again, i haven't seen it yet, but it's clear that there was an intention from the very beginning to craft a comically misleading discrepancy between the trailer/promotion/marketing of the movie and the film itself. You don't have to know anything here other than the fact that this is a Harmony Korine film. I just read this, which is simultaneously hilarious and sad: Anyway, this is my way of saying i'm excited to finally see the film. Let's just hold a little spot here for those of us who will eventually watch it and want to talk about it, eh?

So the same as Brian Wilson. Not too bad sharing a birthday with the greatest composer/arranger/producer of pop music.

It's "you're rollin'," an indication to her that they're recording and that she can start. It's an engineer's saying that originates from "tape is rolling."

^ That only applies to people who have been around for a while.

She said that you're lame.

^ I was actually just watching the performances that MermaidTrailerHeaven posted in the Vocal Range thread, listening to how pitchy she can be, and for the first time having the thought that maybe she's just really high when she performs. I've heard some of the best singers butcher their songs while high and/or really drunk. It's probably just a combination of nervousness and awkwardness though.

The whole board? Man, why does the A-TL call me the slut? --- On the topic of the original intention of this thread, my experience has been the site mostly loading fast but every once in a while everything will load incredibly slow and sometimes not even finish loading entirely. The site is not usually down although in the last week or so it's been down a good amount. --- As for the conversation that has sprung up here, i think there seems to be a bit of a schism--there's a wide gulf between those with a ton of posts (the most active users) and then...everyone else. So it can get pretty clique-ish, which i don't like, but i admit to contributing to it simply because it's hard not to when a certain rapport and banter has been long established. Amongst active posters, i would say it's quite the opposite of what Nickster is saying about the atmosphere being impersonal--things often get so far away from anything Lana related that sometimes it seems we're only talking about personal things, or inside jokes, or just engaging in general tomfoolery, the Fortress of Bullshit, if you will. But i can see how that aspect of this forum, which tends to be a big part, can be off-putting to some people, especially new members. I don't think this is an unfriendly place, but things have occasionally turned in that direction. One of the recurring causes of unfriendliness has been toward certain kinds of new members. There has been a tendency here with new people to register and immediately start making several threads before checking to see what has already been covered. Additionally, i've seen many new people start off posting in a brash style that seems to be an attempt to get noticed. This seems inevitable, but i don't see how that sort of thing is going to ever be received well. No, i don't think anyone should be shot down and made to feel like shit for starting redundant threads that cover very basic information. But this goes both ways--there is also a rudeness to coming in to a new place without making any effort to familiarize yourself with the way the place runs and just asserting yourself however you see fit. I think both sides can handle themselves better in these cases. Differences in opinion can be handled better as well. Although, i think in general, we are nowhere near as bad as that sort of thing can get. I think, when it comes down to it, this place is very mature and mostly civil. There is a lot of sass here though. I’m not into that scene, but it’s a big part of this community, so i’ve come to accept it and i try to not pay it much attention. One thing i think absolutely needs to happen--and this applies anywhere, whether on the internet or “in real life"--is that if someone “prominent” (i.e. they have a lot of posts, or they’ve been here since the beginning, or they know a lot of information) is being a dick, they should be called out on it. There’s no excuse to let shitty behavior slide simply because the shitty behavior is coming from someone who is “somebody” rather than a "nobody." We're all nobodies Ultimately, i think there is a strong sense of community here, it just gets splintered into smaller communities within the main one. And, in the end, even though we're all brought together by the same interest, each of us is here for different aspects of said interest, and i think that’s actually what makes any place like this thrive. I say embrace the disparity and multitudes. I don’t think it’s hopeless for new people. Look at ataraxia and lola, they were once new and now they are two of the most active and welcoming/accomodating people here. Oh, one more thing...i, too, have never seen anyone correct anyone's grammar here, at least not seriously, so i'm not sure where that came from.

I, uhm, don't really know what to say. Stay gold, Ponyboy PrettyBaby.

Why is it that in every picture of them he comes across as her chaperone? Also, is this his only job now, to escort her around? Also, does anyone else get mini panic attacks when they see these sort of pictures of fans enveloping a celebrity?

I never got into CSN, CSNY, or Neil Young. I never really tried though either. You have been saying this for like half a year now. #NobodyCares #ILuvHashtags

WHAT? How is this even possible? How did these words leave anyone's mouth? Am i alive? I feel like i'm legitimately losing my mind when i read stuff like this.

I didn’t know about this CSNY song. I wrote a heavy, sort of end of the world, gospel sounding thing on organ today that i named Ohio. I’m not changing the name. Did anyone read this comment on the ABC article linked to in the OP? I don't know, that really stood out to me, coming from someone who's worked within that system. There doesn't seem to be an adequate solution with the binary we have of either life in prison or the death penalty. It's all incredibly depressing--the sort of stuff that leads to this, the tragedy and loss itself, the unfathomable emotions that the families and friends have to go through for the rest of their lives, the fear that this sort of thing leaves with the public (it seems school shootings are just going to keep happening because it's an easy thing for troubled people to mimic), and then...what, the prison system? That's fucked too. There is so much violence and abuse in that environment, both amongst inmates and towards inmates by the prison staff.

Oh my god. Ohio. What is going on? I need to go to sleep.

God, this is so heinous. This is from a kid that was at the party that night who was also caught on video saying atrocities. And this is only a few of the tweets. There's also a ton of text messages. When you read through this shit it sounds like these people are all clinically insane. I feel so hopeless after reading about this case over the last few days. How do you talk to people like this and to the people who defend this shit? How do you educate people who have been born into this terrifying way of thinking (or not thinking)? I see insane comments at the end of some of these articles or youtube videos and then the slew of comments in response to the idiocy, but, i don't know, it seems mostly futile, like it's only supplying the meatheads with fodder to laugh at. That is if they even listen in the first place. Those videos that PrettyBaby posted...am i being too cynical to think that people from that town in Ohio and most of the rape apologists across the country would just immediately laugh at the guy, mock him, call him a fag, and dismiss him after two seconds, accusing him of thinking too much, and that he doesn’t know how to have fun, and that he's just a pussy? I mean, i know that it’s a slow, frustrating process and that the change has to absolutely be a fundamental one, but i can't help feel that inevitable hopelessness. And i also hate that when i read stuff like this my anger leads me to start thinking an eye for an eye. What good is that.

You have really touched on some of my exact (kind of conflicting and complicated) thoughts on Paradise and some the biggest issues i have with it as a whole. I wrote a ridiculously long post in the Paradise Reviews thread that goes into detail about most of what you've mentioned above, if you happen to be interested in your eyes glazing over from too many words about a 33 minute long album. Though, ultimately, i like the album despite all of its shortcomings.

I don't have any links, sorry. I only have both albums on CD.