Blue Banisters - Post-Release Discussion Thread + Poll

[Dark Angel 203,783]

i don't lana's screaming in dealer sound objectively bad, maybe it's not for everybody, but they don't sound bad, at least she was experimenting with her vocals, it's exciting, surprising, provoking, etc. if she sang with a quiet monotone voice she'd be criticized for that, sometimes you can't really "win" so you might as well do what you want to do

[Poor Stacy 12,095]

I want the next album to be completely unhinged.  Give me an album full of wild vocals the normies can't take! 

[plastiscguy 63,441]

1 minute ago, Thunder said:

Still trying to figure out what's so wrong with the vocals. I hear more of a mixing issue at times than a vocal issue. 

In my opinion, they aren't really polished and I understand it's because Lana wanted this album to sound raw, pure and "desperately" fragile but like someone mentioned above, I'm also not a fan of it.

It sounds too messy and sometimes the vocals are way too loud (Arcadia, Black Bathing Suit, If You Lie Down with Me, Sweet Carolina) and it hurts my ears

 

Overall, I do love the album... But I do agree the execution failed and could have been done much better. 

[Fingertips 72,053]

2 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

i don't lana's screaming in dealer sound objectively bad, maybe it's not for everybody, but they don't sound bad, at least she was experimenting with her vocals, it's exciting, surprising, provoking, etc. if she sang with a quiet monotone voice she'd be criticized for that, sometimes you can't really "win" so you might as well do what you want to do

and if winning requires a shiny, polished and perfect version of yourself (NFR, which I love) than I would say fuck it and start screaming my head off too

[Dark Angel 203,783]

2 minutes ago, Poor Stacy said:

I want the next album to be completely unhinged.  Give me an album full of wild vocals the normies can't take! 

 

ldr9 will be her synthwave serene queen heavy metal mermaid motel mike dean MASTERPIECE & the critics WILL BE SHOOK!   

[West Coast 45,898]

I just know Potato Fanta says mad shit about Lana like he's stuck in 2012 where it was the national sport for music writers to shit on Lana Del Rey.

 

On a more serious note, this guy just fundamentally does not understand Lana as an artist. He sorta became a fan of Lana overnight when she released 'NFR!' AKA her most digestible album (like most sycophant music writers have) and has been acting like it's the blueprint of her album ever since, but that's beside the point—this review was just seriously ridiculous. Mind you, this is the man that rated 'Born To Die' a 3/10 and 'Ultraviolence' a 2/10. 

He's literally only taken "seriously" because, for some obscure reason, he's like the only semi-famous music critic on YouTube?

[Fingertips 72,053]

Just now, plastiscguy said:

In my opinion, they aren't really polished and I understand it's because Lana wanted this album to sound raw, pure and "desperately" fragile but like someone mentioned above, I'm also not a fan of it.

It sounds too messy and sometimes the vocals are way too loud (Arcadia, Black Bathing Suit, If You Lie Down with Me, Sweet Carolina) and it hurts my ears

 

Overall, I do love the album... But I do agree the execution failed and could have been done much better. 

I hear the loud vocals on Arcadia, but not the others tbh. Beautiful I guess would be the second song I would describe as having vocals a little bit louder than normal

 

I have to turn Black Bathing Suit all the way up to hear her, and if you're talking about the screaming towards the end, I really enjoyed the decision to do that 

[daddyauerbach 2,168]

1 minute ago, plastiscguy said:

In my opinion, they aren't really polished and I understand it's because Lana wanted this album to sound raw, pure and "desperately" fragile but like someone mentioned above, I'm also not a fan of it.

It sounds too messy and sometimes the vocals are way too loud (Arcadia, Black Bathing Suit, If You Lie Down with Me, Sweet Carolina) and it hurts my ears

 

Overall, I do love the album... But I do agree the execution failed and could have been done much better. 

she said on live that she did everything in one take. that's nice, be as authentic as possible, but the moments in like bbs or Carolina or Arcadia are so obviously flat or sharp that it takes you out of the song. 

 

 

[plastiscguy 63,441]

Just now, Thunder said:

I have to turn Black Bathing Suit all the way up to hear her, and if you're talking about the screaming towards the end, I really enjoyed the decision to do that 

It was a cultural reset

[Venice 6,933]

7 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

i don't lana's screaming in dealer sound objectively bad, maybe it's not for everybody, but they don't sound bad, at least she was experimenting with her vocals, it's exciting, surprising, provoking, etc. if she sang with a quiet monotone voice she'd be criticized for that, sometimes you can't really "win" so you might as well do what you want to do

 

Exactly! I may not be in love with every single Lana sound (like not even everyone likes BB, we are aaall different and it's fine ), but I still always want her to do what she wants, 100%. And she might as well, since she can't please us all anyway lmao

[Dark Angel 203,783]

10 minutes ago, West Coast said:

I just know Potato Fanta says mad shit about Lana like he's stuck in 2012 where it was the national sport for music writers to shit on Lana Del Rey.

 

On a more serious note, this guy just fundamentally does not understand Lana as an artist. He sorta became a fan of Lana overnight when she released 'NFR!' AKA her most digestible album (like most sycophant music writers have) and has been acting like it's the blueprint of her album ever since, but that's beside the point—this review was just seriously ridiculous. Mind you, this is the man that rated 'Born To Die' a 3/10 and 'Ultraviolence' a 2/10. 

 

i geniunely don't understand how anybody could rate ultraviolence 2/10 unless they had a personal issue with her  

 

i can understand that ultraviolence isn't for everybody, it's definitely not your typical alternative/rock album, it's filled with emotion, catharsis, melodrama, & experimentation, but i feel like a 2/10 would be for a record which is straight-up uninspired or completely boring, or geniunely bad, such as poor production or if the singer couldn't sing, the production of ultraviolence is gritty & raw, and lana's vocals aren't classical "perfect" vocals, but it's obvious she made a geniune effort, it's a major progression from the baroque-pop sound of btd & paradise, she tried something totally different and i think it suited her very well, and honestly, you can't say this album is a 2/10 when it has WEST COAST, that just doesn't add up   

[Fingertips 72,053]

Fantano acted like Lana killed someone's baby when he gave Ultraviolence a 2/10 

[plastiscguy 63,441]

1 minute ago, daddyauerbach said:

she said on live that she did everything in one take. that's nice, be as authentic as possible, but the moments in like bbs or Carolina or Arcadia are so obviously flat or sharp that it takes you out of the song. 

 

 

Yeah... and it's not necessarily bad. I mean, most unreleased tracks are exactly that way. Raw, messy... It's part of the charm. 

But most casual fans aren't really used to any of this but to the perfect Lana Del Rey they remember from albums like Honeymoon or Norman. Even Ultraviolence was more polished and rich. 

 

Again, I don't hate her decision. It might take some time for me to get used to it, but I'm glad she's feeling more confident in her voice.

But... it wouldn't hurt if she let the production of the songs shine again, as well as her voice in future records, as I don't really like how simple some songs can be sometimes (especially if there are too many in a row) 

[plastiscguy 63,441]

2 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

i geniunely don't understand how anybody could rate ultraviolence 2/0 unless they had a personal issue with her  

He probably meant to say 20/10  I mean, an album with songs like Shades of Cool, West Coast, Pretty When You Cry, Old Money and Black Beauty?! Magnum Opus!

[daddyauerbach 2,168]

I don't even understand how he couldn't like one single track aside from the other woman. like not even ONE ? not even west coast ? girl come on now

[Dark Angel 203,783]

3 minutes ago, daddyauerbach said:

I don't even understand how he couldn't like one single track aside from the other woman. like not even ONE ? not even west coast ? girl come on now

 

it's a little ironic bc that's usually the track people DON'T LIKE from ultraviolence

 

(if we're excluding guns & roses, which i'll never get why people hate it )

[That Venice Bitch 28,752]

Melonhead said it himself… he doesn’t really jive with Lana’s music. We shouldn’t hold him to liking the (fan service) album of an artist he doesn’t like

[ShadesOfFool 20,235]

Who gives a fuck what Anthony Fantano thinks I mean seriously people 

[Poor Stacy 12,095]

You can't tell me the second verse of Arcadia isn't intentional. It's my favorite part of the song. 

[Gothicula 1,160]

i just don’t think fantano as a fat and ugly straight man is really the demographic for lana.. he’s never gonna get that feeling of sexyness and the vibe in general while listening to her music JUST GIVE UP