MARINA (and The Diamonds)

[Air 1,027]

Like you can contrast lana and marina so easily, lana endures because she LOVES music, deep in her soul. The attention and development to her sonic world and palette, the enrichment of the experience album after album after album. 

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31 minutes ago, ultrablvd said:

a writer who writes very cringeworthy 'poetry' with a focus on being aesthetic rather than writing emotional or worthwhile outputs. see: milk & honey. basically, now used as a general term for disingenuous poetry that is purely for monetary gain as opposed to trying to evoke thoughts and feelings out of the reader

I somehow expected much more worse idk, I was prepared for the amount of shock if the info was controversial 

[sunday afternoon 1,051]

56 minutes ago, Air said:

Like you can contrast lana and marina so easily, lana endures because she LOVES music, deep in her soul. The attention and development to her sonic world and palette, the enrichment of the experience album after album after album. 

 

+1

1 hour ago, Air said:

The truth about Marina is she genuinely doesn't have a love for music, nor good taste in music. When she needed to prove herself, her taste was more DIY, alternative and challenging of the pop she sought to rise above... Now she's "not hungry anymore" which reveals the absence of good taste to begin with. I mean look at the poetry collection she released. Instantly panned and remarked as being of the likes of rupi kaur, which is pretty much worse than poetry 101. She's wealthy, secure and uncurious. She probably unknowingly listens to spotify AI artists. She seems unsure of herself, even when claiming a confidence and calm in her career/inner condition. She's about to release a song that is supposed to convince us that a metamorphosis has taken place. The snippet alone reveals something more of a degeneration into tiktok slop... 

 

+1

[sunday afternoon 1,051]

I agree and I feel that way too.

I never really criticized Marina but I find that she is getting worse every year and it hurts me to think how superficial she has become...

I can understand why she and Lana are no longer friends, maybe an ego problem?

 

Yeah, I will always recognize that Marina has the most beautiful voice in the industry, her bass is the most beautiful, and she is intelligent. You can feel that she is a great artist well above average when you see an album like Electra Heart or Froot, and even her debut that distinguished her from the others.

I miss the slightly extravagant little English girl and her English humor, now she is a clone of the most superficial woman there is, in the most - admittedly iconic - superficial city in the world, boastful and vain, become this woke caricature, not really understanding the world around her apart from her rich world, taking bad musical directions for granted (even if I loved her last album, great production and great voice, the lyrics were a waste).

 

Her book of poetry I don't know, I haven't read it.

A great pity because I know there is potential, it is there. She is very talented. She just locked herself in a bubble that took away her real herself and we know she will never return to her less rich roots.

 

It's true that I criticized Lana lately but there is one thing I would always like about her, to join a comment above, it is her real and musical authenticity.

 

She keeps this love of music and lives for it. Even if I like her projects less, she doesn't change for others and invests herself fully in music.

I hope that Marina's new album will be good, but listening to the Butterfly extract, I still have the impression that she is going to wallow in a somewhat immature project to please fans on the networks. We'll see.

[CoochieSwirlC 2,093]

Those poor caterpillars have to suffer through all this trauma just to promote some shitty song no one will care about after a week 

[Party Favor 10,436]

marina's problem is that she's always trying to prove something 

[Embach 49,818]

okay so recently i listened to venus fly trap which the last time i listened to was maybe 2022 or idk. anyways, and when i listened to it again after a long time and i'm so so sorry because many lipsters love the song here but this song sounded so cringe to me now  like what was she singing there about. like i get what she meant in this song but the way how the whole song was written was like idk, pretentious or messy? like i know this should be an empowering song but it's too high-schoolish for me (maybe because i was at high school that time, i used to listen to that song like 10 times a day when it was released lol).

 

the right way for me to express is that this song feels like a glee musical act somehow (that could be said about the rest of ADIAML imo).

[details 17,738]

i think marina definitely has (had?) talent, she has a beautiful voice, but she lacks drive. it's clear to me that she resorts to making music as a source of income, so therefore she cannot give up on it, at least not yet. but i truly believe she wanted to retire from music after froot, which she did to some extent by retiring her old moniker. perhaps maybe it wasn't just the name that needed to be retired… i'm sure if she had rihanna levels of fame she'd definitely be on the same path.

 

another thing to consider is that the golden age of marina was a product of the context she was inserted. tfj couldn't exist in a world without lily allen, florence + the machine, foster the people or whatever was big in the uk alt scene at that time. similarly, electra heart couldn't exist without the edm mainstream pop scene of katy perry, lady gaga, kesha and so on… they were great because it was the right sound at the right time. trying to recreate that magic in a different context just doesn't work as much and the results end up being lackluster to say the least. froot, to me, is her best album because it's her most timeless record, it doesn't feel like it's attached to a specific era of pop music and it takes things that were great in the previous two albums while making a new thing as well. if i was her, that's the direction i'd follow. unfortunately she seems to be stuck in trying to replicate the aura of a marina that's long gone, which i'd say is the fans' fault to some degree… anyway i've rambled too much sorry for the essay 

[AllForYou 1,847]

I do agree with some of the sentiments being shared, but one of the reason marina changed post FROOT was because she was sick. don’t get me wrong there was definitely some kind of ego death with the release of FROOT and achieving what she wanted, but she did a podcast (chronic comeback) and the symptoms she described sounded horrible. 
 

I understand why she created songs like orange trees, EYL, true, etc to try and ‘manifest a bit of happiness’ or whatever. (though obviously even with a reason that doesn’t make the songs/album any better and I won’t pretend it does) 

 

I think it’s the missing puzzle piece as to why l+f was such a mess, (she postponed in hopes of getting better, then after its release she wasn’t feeling well), and why ADIAML was so rushed, (to get out of her contract so she could recover). we’d speculated those things before but we didn’t actually know she was sick at the time, we thought she’d just lost interest. 

 

now she is better and she didn’t lose interest after all we’ll see if the music is any better, I don’t think that it’s going to touch ‘the trilogy’ for me, as the pedestal they sit on is far too high but I think it’s going to be enjoyable because she’s clearly having fun. venus fly trap does have some clunky lyrics but it’s enjoyable to me as I can feel her energy, it’s cute, it’s camp, hoping the same thing for M6. 

 

[vrtvie 2,324]

Jesus Christ, I think that such a hateful discussion about a GODDAMN few seconds snippet is just insane. I actually found myself playing this snippet in my head and while I would like it to be good and still am unsure what's gonna come out of it, I cannot comprehend such harsh statements when we haven't heard basically anything from the new record. People want her to be quirky, then she comes with weird childish voices in a seemingly fun pop single, and now they are mad? People hated her lyricism in Man's World and now want her go back? What is going on? Just to remind you, FROOT was not that much well-received once it leaked.

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1 hour ago, vrtvie said:

Jesus Christ, I think that such a hateful discussion about a GODDAMN few seconds snippet is just insane. I actually found myself playing this snippet in my head and while I would like it to be good and still am unsure what's gonna come out of it, I cannot comprehend such harsh statements when we haven't heard basically anything from the new record. People want her to be quirky, then she comes with weird childish voices in a seemingly fun pop single, and now they are mad? People hated her lyricism in Man's World and now want her go back? What is going on? Just to remind you, FROOT was not that much well-received once it leaked.

To think that people began to appreciate Froot when L+F dropped  Before that, I was so sad to see fans saying that Froot is her worst record...

[Charlottexseax 8,186]

1 hour ago, vrtvie said:

Jesus Christ, I think that such a hateful discussion about a GODDAMN few seconds snippet is just insane. I actually found myself playing this snippet in my head and while I would like it to be good and still am unsure what's gonna come out of it, I cannot comprehend such harsh statements when we haven't heard basically anything from the new record. People want her to be quirky, then she comes with weird childish voices in a seemingly fun pop single, and now they are mad? People hated her lyricism in Man's World and now want her go back? What is going on? Just to remind you, FROOT was not that much well-received once it leaked.

 

14 minutes ago, Embach said:

To think that people began to appreciate Froot when L+F dropped  Before that, I was so sad to see fans saying that Froot is her worst record...

 

no FROOT was definitely well received! Just not as well as EH and TFJ but it's not like people hated it. even the critics liked it

 

i do think that, up until then,  it was probably her weakest project because it's not sonically as varied and some songs just kinda "fade"  into the background. but it's still a great record IMO.

 

now having said that... i also believe shitting on the snippet is pointless. like just wait for the drop! it doesn't even sound THAT bad 

 

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26 minutes ago, Charlottexseax said:

 

 

no FROOT was definitely well received! Just not as well as EH and TFJ but it's not like people hated it. even the critics liked it

 

i do think that, up until then,  it was probably her weakest project because it's not sonically as varied and some songs just kinda "fade"  into the background. but it's still a great record IMO.

 

now having said that... i also believe shitting on the snippet is pointless. like just wait for the drop! it doesn't even sound THAT bad 

 

Probably depends on the fandoms, I saw mostly negative comments on Instagram back then.

[AllForYou 1,847]

the new music video snippet seems to be in the 'marina just doing random things in a building' category, like primadonna and froot's videos

directed by aerin moreno

 

 

[Embach 49,818]

Mmmmm that music video is going to be good, I love those interior visuals and she's so beautiful!

Just now, AllForYou said:

the new music video snippet seems to be in the 'marina just doing random things in a building' category, like primadonna and froot's videos

Which is my favorite genre

[Fireffie 3,785]

OMGGG the visuals!! And the oufitssss  I can’t wait to see the full video!

[Embach 49,818]

I watched the video snippet for the 10th time I'm not well

[ultrablvd 48,699]

kinda looks cvnty actually okay!! 

[Demonmic03 12,395]

Honestly the only song I liked post Froot was I Love You But I Love Me More 

Edited February 12 by Demonmic03

[Embach 49,818]

I don't know if it's unpopular or not but There's Nothing Wrong With You is her top 5 unreleased in my opinion. It's my favorite one with Not Hungry Anymore!