Random Lana Discussion Thread

[Ultra Violet 18,853]

I've been wanting to ask this the whole time but what is Southern Gothic? How is that going to sound on an album? Because I look it up and all I see is this: "It generally comments or highlights the inherent tensions caused by the American Civil War, including class struggles and racial issues."

I'm not American, how'm I supposed to know what Southern Gothic really is for music or anything

Maybe I should post this in Lasso Pre-release but I can never keep up with that thread.

[Lasso 13,194]

2 hours ago, Ultra Violet said:

I've been wanting to ask this the whole time but what is Southern Gothic? How is that going to sound on an album? Because I look it up and all I see is this: "It generally comments or highlights the inherent tensions caused by the American Civil War, including class struggles and racial issues."

I'm not American, how'm I supposed to know what Southern Gothic really is for music or anything

Maybe I should post this in Lasso Pre-release but I can never keep up with that thread.

 

When I think of Gothic the first thing that comes to mind is Gothic architecture, so that kinda confuses me as well. 

Gothic architecture was a prevalent style in Europe in the Middle Ages, and it was associated with the Germanic tribes that settled when the Roman Empire fell - like Franks, Burgundians and Goths. Then the Renaissance guys gave it a negative connotation when they decided that Ancient Greek and Roman architecture, art and way of living was better. Because Gothic was often associated with darkness and superstition. Then, after the Enlightment period, the Romantics wanted to bring Gothic back, and they did so mostly through literature, in works like Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, etc. 

But that all happened in Europe, so what does it have to do with Southern Gothic? Really not much 

 

Gothic style got to the USA a little late in relation to Europe, and it coincided with the aftermath of the civil war. In Europe, it was usually dark castles, mad scientists, superstition, ghosts,  supernatural forces, and fear of the unknown. USA authors added other layers to it. Instead of an old, dark castle, the setting was an old, decrepit plantation. So, Southern Gothic literature from the late 19th and early 20th century deals with the dark themes that concerned the USA in those times - death, religion, generational trauma, assault, violence, mental illness, poverty, and racism. Which is why I said in some other thread, that Lana's most Southern Gothic work, thematically, was Ocean Blvd, even if it wasn't necessarily in the Southern USA.  (A&W, Fingertips, Kintsugi, Judah Smith Interlude, even Fishtail - all deal with some of these Southern Gothic  themes.) ETA: Zodiac too omfg that's one of her darkest songs ever.

 

Someone pls correct me if I'm wrong, this is just me speaking from some literature knowledge I have.

 

So idk what tf she means with Southern Gothic. I've seen many users saying that a good example of Southern Gothic music is Ethel Cain. I read the lyrics to her album and I agree. It's dark, grotesque and disturbing. But that makes no sense for Lana imo, because she said the album was a heavy departure from her latest ones. So it makes no sense that she would go for these heavy themes again.

So, my best guess would be that the album sounds and looks Gothic (like a dark swamp witch aesthetic, with eerie vibes) and it happens to be set in the South (since she lives there now), and she's using the expression Southern Gothic very loosely. Bc there's no way she's singing about all that again. 

 

Sorry for the essay, the caffeine just kicked in and I have a lot of free time this morning lmao 

[Ultra Violet 18,853]

8 hours ago, Lasso said:

 

When I think of Gothic the first thing that comes to mind is Gothic architecture, so that kinda confuses me as well. 

Gothic architecture was a prevalent style in Europe in the Middle Ages, and it was associated with the Germanic tribes that settled when the Roman Empire fell - like Franks, Burgundians and Goths. Then the Renaissance guys gave it a negative connotation when they decided that Ancient Greek and Roman architecture, art and way of living was better. Because Gothic was often associated with darkness and superstition. Then, after the Enlightment period, the Romantics wanted to bring Gothic back, and they did so mostly through literature, in works like Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, etc. 

But that all happened in Europe, so what does it have to do with Southern Gothic? Really not much 

 

Gothic style got to the USA a little late in relation to Europe, and it coincided with the aftermath of the civil war. In Europe, it was usually dark castles, mad scientists, superstition, ghosts,  supernatural forces, and fear of the unknown. USA authors added other layers to it. Instead of an old, dark castle, the setting was an old, decrepit plantation. So, Southern Gothic literature from the late 19th and early 20th century deals with the dark themes that concerned the USA in those times - death, religion, generational trauma, assault, violence, mental illness, poverty, and racism. Which is why I said in some other thread, that Lana's most Southern Gothic work, thematically, was Ocean Blvd, even if it wasn't necessarily in the Southern USA.  (A&W, Fingertips, Kintsugi, Judah Smith Interlude, even Fishtail - all deal with some of these Southern Gothic  themes.) ETA: Zodiac too omfg that's one of her darkest songs ever.

 

Someone pls correct me if I'm wrong, this is just me speaking from some literature knowledge I have.

 

So idk what tf she means with Southern Gothic. I've seen many users saying that a good example of Southern Gothic music is Ethel Cain. I read the lyrics to her album and I agree. It's dark, grotesque and disturbing. But that makes no sense for Lana imo, because she said the album was a heavy departure from her latest ones. So it makes no sense that she would go for these heavy themes again.

So, my best guess would be that the album sounds and looks Gothic (like a dark swamp witch aesthetic, with eerie vibes) and it happens to be set in the South (since she lives there now), and she's using the expression Southern Gothic very loosely. Bc there's no way she's singing about all that again. 

 

Sorry for the essay, the caffeine just kicked in and I have a lot of free time this morning lmao 

Thank you for the response! I totally see Zodiac as being that so I really hope she has gone somewhat in that direction. Interesting that she says it's open aired and free too. Like chemtrails but make it darker? That would be nice too.

[bluechemtrails 26,521]

8 hours ago, Lasso said:

 

When I think of Gothic the first thing that comes to mind is Gothic architecture, so that kinda confuses me as well. 

Gothic architecture was a prevalent style in Europe in the Middle Ages, and it was associated with the Germanic tribes that settled when the Roman Empire fell - like Franks, Burgundians and Goths. Then the Renaissance guys gave it a negative connotation when they decided that Ancient Greek and Roman architecture, art and way of living was better. Because Gothic was often associated with darkness and superstition. Then, after the Enlightment period, the Romantics wanted to bring Gothic back, and they did so mostly through literature, in works like Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, etc. 

But that all happened in Europe, so what does it have to do with Southern Gothic? Really not much 

 

Gothic style got to the USA a little late in relation to Europe, and it coincided with the aftermath of the civil war. In Europe, it was usually dark castles, mad scientists, superstition, ghosts,  supernatural forces, and fear of the unknown. USA authors added other layers to it. Instead of an old, dark castle, the setting was an old, decrepit plantation. So, Southern Gothic literature from the late 19th and early 20th century deals with the dark themes that concerned the USA in those times - death, religion, generational trauma, assault, violence, mental illness, poverty, and racism. Which is why I said in some other thread, that Lana's most Southern Gothic work, thematically, was Ocean Blvd, even if it wasn't necessarily in the Southern USA.  (A&W, Fingertips, Kintsugi, Judah Smith Interlude, even Fishtail - all deal with some of these Southern Gothic  themes.) ETA: Zodiac too omfg that's one of her darkest songs ever.

 

Someone pls correct me if I'm wrong, this is just me speaking from some literature knowledge I have.

 

So idk what tf she means with Southern Gothic. I've seen many users saying that a good example of Southern Gothic music is Ethel Cain. I read the lyrics to her album and I agree. It's dark, grotesque and disturbing. But that makes no sense for Lana imo, because she said the album was a heavy departure from her latest ones. So it makes no sense that she would go for these heavy themes again.

So, my best guess would be that the album sounds and looks Gothic (like a dark swamp witch aesthetic, with eerie vibes) and it happens to be set in the South (since she lives there now), and she's using the expression Southern Gothic very loosely. Bc there's no way she's singing about all that again. 

 

Sorry for the essay, the caffeine just kicked in and I have a lot of free time this morning lmao 

maybe she thinks of Gothic country , which is also called 'Southern Gothic'

[Embach 41,080]

29 minutes ago, Ultra Violet said:

Thank you for the response! I totally see Zodiac as being that so I really hope she has gone somewhat in that direction. Interesting that she says it's open aired and free too. Like chemtrails but make it darker? That would be nice too.

We shared songs in this thread what reminded us of Southern Gothic

 

[Ultra Violet 18,853]

36 minutes ago, Embach said:

We shared songs in this thread what reminded us of Southern Gothic

 

Thanks! I didn't know this thread was made!

[lex92 0]

I would love her to work with Mike Dean.

[Elle 121,074]

On 11/2/2024 at 4:51 PM, lex92 said:

I would love her to work with Mike Dean.

 

She has, her song Wildflower Wildfire from Blue Banisters is produced by him x

[somber 239]

I don't know if this goes here, but on Spotify, it says Lana has a show in Poland on the 20th of November. So, looks like the Lana drought is OVERR 

 

Edit: I just checked for more details. It looks like Nikola Warda is performing Lana Del Rey songs, or maybe she's presenting for Lana. But I'm confused because why would a show like that show up on Lana's discography instead of the singer's. So many Lana will perform there as well, or at least pop-up to say greetings idk

[Lanaparadiserey 23,426]

Imagine how different Lana and her art would be if Covid and QFTC never happened…

[DmarK 9]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:24 AM, Lanaparadiserey said:

Imagine how different Lana and her art would be if Covid and QFTC never happened…

yep

these would the best years for her....

[honeymoon is alive 21,019]

i love the qftc arc and the fact that people are agreeing with her now just shows how the internet overreacted about something that was just right 

[bluechemtrails 26,521]

One thing I wonder is, why she compared herself to female main pop stars in qftc when she considers herself alternative?

[honeymoon is alive 21,019]

9 minutes ago, bluechemtrails said:

One thing I wonder is, why she compared herself to female main pop stars in qftc when she considers herself alternative?

cause it’s not about the genre, the question is that the mentioned artists could sing about the same stuff lana sings but only lana gets the criticism from the media and general public

[Embach 41,080]

52 minutes ago, honeymoon is alive said:

i love the qftc arc and the fact that people are agreeing with her now just shows how the internet overreacted about something that was just right 

I only found out earlier this year that the newer fans didn't know what was question for the culture 

[bluechemtrails 26,521]

1 hour ago, honeymoon is alive said:

cause it’s not about the genre, the question is that the mentioned artists could sing about the same stuff lana sings but only lana gets the criticism from the media and general public

or I think she chose them just because she wanted to name artists with no. 1 songs

but I understand both sides, i.e. why the media criticized Lana in particular, but also why she felt disadvantaged