Lana's Eli Roth Collaboration Surfaces; Marilyn Manson Denies Then Clarifies Involvement

[MermaidTrailerHeaven 454]

It was in poor taste. The end.

[Sebastian 327]

I don't se the point. What good will anyone get out of watching that video?

[plush 656]

The reel was uploaded in 2013, can't remember the month

Is there a video? (that's available atm)  I just logged in and based on the replies, that's what I'm getting

[Thunder Revenant 20,712]

You try to argue about how this is not supposed to be glamourising and then this happens.

I'm not gonna lie. Watching that did make me want to get raped, as long as I look cute like Lana. Good job to Eli for providing such a different perspective on this issue 

 

 

[BENTLEY 3,494]

I'm not gonna lie. Watching that did make me want to get raped, as long as I look cute like Lana. Good job to Eli for providing such a different perspective on this issue 

 

[GangstaBoy 3,930]

Is there a video? (that's available atm)  I just logged in and based on the replies, that's what I'm getting

 

There was. It was a vimeo reel but they took it down a few hours ago along with the three original pics from the website.

Someone uploaded it to yt if not mistaken, but you can find it all over tumblr as well.

[LAman 3,220]

When I saw that the video was posted a year ago, I was thinking it must of been a private video until recently, right? I'm sure some Lana or Marilyn Manson fan would have discovered it around the time it was uploaded.

 

Also, I thought it was a "Cola" video for a split sec. That's because I remember some making a comment about how Lana and Marilyn Manson were doing the "Cola" video together.

[SweetLikeCinnamon 343]

Hypocrites 

[GangstaBoy 3,930]

Why do ppl think the reel is a video by itself? It's a combination of different bits from various videos  

 

Expecting a new batch of 'Ultraviolence (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)' featuring this footage

[Limelight 4,697]

hey bud, if the general reaction to a rape scene is “well this is kind of hot” ….. something is wrong. Not about being "sensitive pussies" as you so eloquently put it. you really think that of all the ways to depict rape, the “let’s get her looking stunning and sexy and glimmering in cute little panties” route is the best one?

Like cute, all dressed up girls in real life don't get raped. It's a music video(or whatever), what did you expect. And why the fuck does it matter? You guys keep finding all these stupid things to say

[plush 656]

Manson is not involved in any way with this video http://pitchfork.com/news/57548-lana-del-rey-in-sexual-assault-scene-in-unreleased-marilyn-manson-video-directed-by-eli-roth/

[COLACNT 5,174]

i bet lana has had rape fantasies. lots of women do (but obviously they don't talk about it). its appalling in actual practice, yes, but from the other side of the coin -- i think there's something to be said about the unbridled, uncontrolled sexuality and that need / hunger / appetite of another man that turns some women (and other men) on (assuming it isn't about some asexual power trip); i wouldn't put it past lana, with her tendency towards histrionics and 'ultraviolence' 

 

i don't see why this is causing such a stir. i've seen similar shit on law and order: SVU. obviously i'm not condoning rape. the clip is kind of disgusting, if not pointless, but maybe that was the point -- to offer an unflinching portrayal of a disgusting act. i'm sure the people behind this are nothing but pleased with your reactions (lana included, possibly; we all know how she loves to be cuntroversial) 

[LiamViljoen 908]

Hm. maybe if we weren’t living in a world where you’re more likely to get expelled for plagiarizing a paper than you are raping a girl in your dorm…. where rape is one of the hardest things to prove & rarely EVER persecuted…. where ideas about victims somehow being inherently guilty of something are not perpetuated...where rapists are not constantly being defended and excused…. yeah maybe if all that wasn’t going on, depicting rape in some eli roth styled trash wouldn’t be harmful. but in this day and age, do you really think it's good to be depicting rape as something sexy, with goofy slow mo shots of her hair whipping back like she's a model, nails digging into his arm (which could be a clip of any standard softcore porn), shit like that? its glamorization and hyper sexualization of a crime that is centered around control and degradation. a rape scene shouldn't be hot.

Well Lana is beautiful, that's not her fault, they don't try and emphasise that and they have her wearing casual and realistic clothes. Plus throughout the entire scene she is struggling against her attacker, and that last shot of her in tears after the ordeal is over is absoloutely heartbreaking, not hot. The fact you were checking out her hair while watching a graphic rape scene is pretty fucking sickening.

[kik 1,563]

A lot of men want me to rape them.

[slang 1,509]

It's interesting to compare this to other stuff out there portraying battle-of-the-sexes type scenarios. So Taylor Swift's got this socially acceptable video for 'Blank Space'. Is she doing any better than LDR in the video clip we saw (assuming what we saw is the whole video for argument's sake)? I'd like to suggest that the question can at least be debated. I mean you could say that Taylor handles herself well and gets rid of the man (kills him?) by doing a lot of ultraviolency things (for Taylor). However, had the video's scenario been occuring in real life, Taylor might have gotten the crap beaten out of her. So the debating point I'm trying out is this: you might learn that some men are assholes (and can hurt you) from Roth/Manson/Rey, but you might not learn that as well from Taylor's video. I think the people that are saying the rape scene is *not* exploitive because the rape is *realistically* portrayed are making this point.

 

I agree with @@Blythe that you have to consider carefully just what it means when Lana Del Rey involves herself in a rape scene, and that you should not consider artists as simply having a carte blanche. You need to think about whether it's exploitation or social commentary (in addition to being art).  I hope there will be more of an actual video that gets released, so one can judge this better, but the fact that Manson's rep denies this, is really upsetting and unexpected. Hopefully Eli Roth will make some kind of statement soon.

[lmdr 9,947]

Omg guys is just a video stop

[Chris Cuomo 3,318]

I wonder if the rest of the video is as graphic. i cannot imagine these scenes being set to any ldr song

[Greenwich 1,051]

Hello angry & opinionated human beings.

 

I can only speak for myself, so I will. Being raped is no fun. I've had experience with that. I always have hated when people want to mask the problem of rape & sexual abuse. For a long time I felt like "I was the only one who knew how it felt". That whole "you were asking for it" argument..  As I got older and submersed myself into darker art forms that showcase all sides of the human psyche & human behaviors, I came to an understanding. It's a very real, human experience not to be portrayed like a "Lifetime special". There has been some comfort in seeing rape portrayed as real as possible, because it allows people who have never been through that situation to gain some understanding and compassion towards people who have gone through it. I've read autobiographies of people describing how they were raped or abused, I've spoken to people who went through it. Bonding with others helped heal my pain. I became unashamed. I wasn't at fault. By being ashamed about sharing my past, I felt that put me at fault. I wasn't making myself available to other people who need to know they are not alone/at fault. Sharing an experience doesn't glorify that experience, it humanizes it for others to relate to it. Relating to a rape scene shouldn't be a shameful thing. It's staring a problem in the face and saying something about it. I commend actors who want to portray rape scenes properly. Any artist who makes something ugly instead of making something perfect & beautiful. The ones who tell the scary stories w/o endings. It should make you feel something. Pain, confusion, anger, fear, etc. but not towards the actors & people involved in creating the art. Just towards the action itself. I once had a teacher in cultural anthropology who refused to believe that our predecessors could have also been rapists. She claimed that rape was a new fangled action, that came along more recently in the history of humans. That kind of thinking insulted me a bit, because I feel like rape is very common, but also so frowned upon, it is silenced throughout history. If you silence an artist from conveying something that has influenced them, you are diluting the truth. Rape is real, and it shouldn't be something we want to close our eyes, ears, and hearts from because it is wrong. That is the wrong attitude to have. We should be discussing it. We should be able to look at a video like this one and be able to learn from it. Realize that someone needs to talk about it, or at least have an outlet to express their thoughts on it. 

You took the fucking words out of my mouth, god bless you

[Philomene 927]

[GangstaBoy 3,930]

I wonder if the rest of the video is as graphic. i cannot imagine these scenes being set to any ldr song

 

It's true. When the first pictures surfaced last night I was like 'OMG PWYC OR UV VIDEO' but after seeing the whole thing (well, that little bit in the reel) I couldn't see those working for any video of hers. It's disturbing. I'm only partially interested in this because it's Lana, I guess that if it was any other actress it would definitely be uncomfortable to watch.