Honeymoon - Post-Release Discussion Thread + Poll

[white gold 4,242]

Honeymoon rollout + release was such an iconic era of my life... I remember listening to it all the time every day for at LEAST a month. I stayed up all night for the Freak video premiere. I love her. 

 

I remember one time I almost choked to death on a multivitamin while GKIT was playing on my speakers.... I Was so ready to just die, honestly.

[urbannoize 1,596]

No I can see it too. I was re-watching the film and immdiately thought of Honeymoon's opening strings. There are a lot of "spooky" vibes that come from HM, and I love how Lana makes it so beautiful, the peril, the mortality of things and how it makes living all the more worth living. Short answer, +1, yes. 

Thank you! And glad you understood the vision. Because so much of what shes does musical reminds me of moments from classic cinema. The cinematic, thrilling, spooky vibes set the tone and paints her pictures really well.

[Make me your Dream Life 87,787]

Thank you! And glad you understood the vision. Because so much of what shes does musical reminds me of moments from classic cinema. The cinematic, thrilling, spooky vibes set the tone and paints her pictures really well.

Np, I remember when she referenced the Creature of Black Lagoon, and just vibed with it. I hope she incorporates that thrill back into her music again. I know World at War sorta had that vibe, but imagine moree? 

[urbannoize 1,596]

Np, I remember when she referenced the Creature of Black Lagoon, and just vibed with it. I hope she incorporates that thrill back into her music again. I know World at War sorta had that vibe, but imagine moree? 

Yes World at War definitely has that too. & I gotta look up that reference to the creature of the black lagoon. Thats really dope. Kind of like the intro to 13 beaches with Carnival of the souls. It would make her music that much incredible thinking about if she added more that vibe.

[Doll Harlow 12,367]

 

she snapped with this

[Make me your Dream Life 87,787]

 

she snapped with this

I love Sunday t

 

[UltraHeroin 8,803]

Lana will never produce another body of work as magical as Honeymoon 

[ivy 1,693]

Lana will never produce another body of work as magical as Honeymoon 

 

I look forward to the day that she actually does 

 

Imagine our minds!

[UltraHeroin 8,803]

Baby if you wanna leave, come to California, be a freak like me too

Screw your anonimity, loving me is all you need to feel like I do

We can slow dance to rock music, kiss while we do it, talk till we both turn blue

 

Never before have I found these lyrics more relatable and idealistic for me until now...Wow. It just hit me pretty hard...  Freak is really that song to me

[ivy 1,693]

Ok so, I have this theory about MTWBT... I really wanted to share my thoughts with y'all and see if you guys have anything to add or have good reasons to dismiss my theory. There's a TL;DR at the end of my post for those who don't like to read so much. But here it goes:

 

I tried to decipher what the actual story is that's being told by analysing the personal pronouns. Like, who is the speaker and what is the speaker trying to say? (It's something I've learned to do during my literary analysis classes at uni)

 

As we all know, the song starts with:

 

 

(I like you a lot)

Putting on my music while I'm watching the boys

(So I do what you want)

Singing soft grunge just to soak up the noise

(Blue Ribbons on ice)

Playing their guitars, only one of my toys

('Cause I like you a lot)

No holds barred, I've been sent to destroy, yeah

 

Now, I was thinking: what if this is not a monologue, but rather a dialogue between two people? I think there are reasons to believe that this is a dialogue, and here's why:

 

First, the thing that stood out to me was that the blue and pink lyrics (see quoted lyrics above) are not consistently sung after each other, but they sometimes overlap. Which, to me, implies that there are two speakers, as you simply cannot say two things at the same time lol.

 

Second, I tried to look for clues in the music video if there are any reasons to believe that it could be a dialogue. And get this: we only see Lana when she sings the pink lines, not the blue ones. Every time the dialogue is sung, the video - very consistently - shifts between Lana (pink lines) and footage of "the boys" (blue lines) implying that they are the other speaker(s). 

 

Art is often about choices and this video really seems to complement the song in terms of making those choices. Which brings me to my final point. We don't see shifting footage when the dialogue is sung first. Why? I'm not sure why. The only thing I can think of is probably too obvious, but here's what I think: this part seems to be an introduction to the rest of the song, which is implied by the huge neon MTWBT sign (like a title page perhaps?). It's only after the sign that we see Lana for the first time in the video. And maybe the two girls implies that there are two speakers, but I can't really make that claim.

 

Sorry for the essay lmao. 

 

TL;DR:

MTWBT contains a dialogue, which is indicated by overlapping lyrics and shifting footage of Lana and "the boys". 

[IanadeIrey 62,020]

Ok so, I have this theory about MTWBT... I really wanted to share my thoughts with y'all and see if you guys have anything to add or have good reasons to dismiss my theory. There's a TL;DR at the end of my post for those who don't like to read so much. But here it goes:

 

I tried to decipher what the actual story is that's being told by analysing the personal pronouns. Like, who is the speaker and what is the speaker trying to say? (It's something I've learned to do during my literary analysis classes at uni)

 

As we all know, the song starts with:

 

 

Now, I was thinking: what if this is not a monologue, but rather a dialogue between two people? I think there are reasons to believe that this is a dialogue, and here's why:

 

First, the thing that stood out to me was that the blue and pink lyrics (see quoted lyrics above) are not consistently sung after each other, but they sometimes overlap. Which, to me, implies that there are two speakers, as you simply cannot say two things at the same time lol.

 

Second, I tried to look for clues in the music video if there are any reasons to believe that it could be a dialogue. And get this: we only see Lana when she sings the pink lines, not the blue ones. Every time the dialogue is sung, the video - very consistently - shifts between Lana (pink lines) and footage of "the boys" (blue lines) implying that they are the other speaker(s). 

 

Art is often about choices and this video really seems to complement the song in terms of making those choices. Which brings me to my final point. We don't see shifting footage when the dialogue is sung first. Why? I'm not sure why. The only thing I can think of is probably too obvious, but here's what I think: this part seems to be an introduction to the rest of the song, which is implied by the huge neon MTWBT sign (like a title page perhaps?). It's only after the sign that we see Lana for the first time in the video. And maybe the two girls implies that there are two speakers, but I can't really make that claim.

 

Sorry for the essay lmao. 

 

TL;DR:

MTWBT contains a dialogue, which is indicated by overlapping lyrics and shifting footage of Lana and "the boys". 

I 100% agree! I never really thought of it like that, but now that you say that, it really makes sense.

If you look closely at what the lines actually say, it's almost as if the blue lines, ('the boys') are being forward, telling the pink lines ('Lana' and 'the girls') that they like her/them and they're saying that they'll do what they want because they like them a lot, whereas the girls/Lana, are being a little more coy, just kind of watching the boys while putting on music, having a relaxed, casual vibe, with a more objective viewpoint rather than subjective, which really fits the song and whole Honeymoon album's theme of voyeurism and storytelling through the perspective of others! And MTWBT is coy, with the lines about 'hoes with lies akin to me' and 'like lies could buy eternity' or 'your wedding ring,' as Lana sings in the live version.

 

Great analysis and observation! I love analyzing Honeymoon!

[ivy 1,693]

I 100% agree! I never really thought of it like that, but now that you say that, it really makes sense.

If you look closely at what the lines actually say, it's almost as if the blue lines, ('the boys') are being forward, telling the pink lines ('Lana' and 'the girls') that they like her/them and they're saying that they'll do what they want because they like them a lot, whereas the girls/Lana, are being a little more coy, just kind of watching the boys while putting on music, having a relaxed, casual vibe, with a more objective viewpoint rather than subjective, which really fits the song and whole Honeymoon album's theme of voyeurism and storytelling through the perspective of others! And MTWBT is coy, with the lines about 'hoes with lies akin to me' and 'like lies could buy eternity' or 'your wedding ring,' as Lana sings in the live version.

 

Great analysis and observation! I love analyzing Honeymoon!

 

Thank you for reading my posts and sharing your thoughts as well! 

 

I'm still not sure what the actual story is that's being told, but I hope that this different perspective might give us new insights to talk about. 

[IanadeIrey 62,020]

Thank you for reading my posts and sharing your thoughts as well! 

 

I'm still not sure what the actual story is that's being told, but I hope that this different perspective might give us new insights to talk about. 

For sure! I think it's really great that even after almost 3 years since its release, we are still discovering new things/interpretations about the record, which I think really encapsulates the timelessness and simplicity yet complexity of Honeymoon! 

[clementines 9,890]

her best album

 

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[ivy 1,693]

For sure! I think it's really great that even after almost 3 years since its release, we are still discovering new things/interpretations about the record, which I think really encapsulates the timelessness and simplicity yet complexity of Honeymoon! 

 

Timelessness is such a key word imo for this record. Which is indicated (obviously) by Burnt Norton (the entire poem is incredible tbh) being at the exact centre of the record at the still point on which the entire record literaly revolves around.

 

There are seven tracks before Burnt Norton and six tracks after. I think it's safe to say that we can exclude the first track, because it is special in terms of tracklist structure. She said in Rollingstone about Honeymoon (the song) that "In some ways I feel it's where the record begins and ends." So you can either play it at the beginning of the record or at the end, it doesn't really matter in that sense!

[Terrence Loves Me 72,692]

her best album

 

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[IanadeIrey 62,020]

Timelessness is such a key word imo for this record. Which is indicated (obviously) by Burnt Norton (the entire poem is incredible tbh) being at the exact centre of the record at the still point on which the entire record literaly revolves around.

 

There are seven tracks before Burnt Norton and six tracks after. I think it's safe to say that we can exclude the first track, because it is special in terms of tracklist structure. She said in Rollingstone about Honeymoon (the song) that "In some ways I feel it's where the record begins and ends." So you can either play it at the beginning of the record or at the end, it doesn't really matter in that sense!

I have always thought the same thing! I think I wrote a post regarding the timelessness of Honeymoon sometime last year, I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it here.

[IanadeIrey 62,020]

@@ivy - here it is! It was a response to @@cashcomesquick

@@lanadelrey “I feel like Honeymoon was the record that really allowed Lana to be herself and was a platform through which she could communicate her internal struggle of the whole persona of Lana Del Rey versus Elizabeth Woolridge Grant. The lyrical parallels in some songs (HBTB and PMIAM from AKA) and themes from songs like GKIT and Swan Song really show this struggle I feel.“

Do you mind elaborating the “Lana Del Rey versus Lizzy“ part?

I recall @@graham4anything mentioning at least a similar theory.

 

I recall Lana talking about how time was a central theme throughout the record. That feeling of timelessness and what one's interpretation of timelessness reveals about their own self is what I personally view as an overarching theme throughout the record. 

 

The whole record contains this feeling of time, both moving backwards and forwards. Both melodically and sonically. Burnt Norton in particular illustrates this lyrical idea of certain events and mindsets of different times coexisting in the past, present, and future. I feel like this was included as the interlude of the record because it almost serves as a metaphor for that gap between who Lizzy was/is and who Lana Del Rey is calculated to be. There are parts of Lizzy that exist within Lana and there are parts of Lana that were part of Lizzy even before Lana was calculated. What also leads me to believe this is something Lana said from the Billboard 2015 interview: Lana referred to herself as "her" rather than "I," saying that she's "protective of her - Lana..." Lana also stated this year that she did view "Lana Del Rey" as more of a persona than herself.  Also, in early 2015, Lana changed her Instagram icon to a picture of Lizzy. In terms of the sonic aspect, there is a lot of recycling of various sounds and the inverting of various instrumental sequences throughout songs. For example, the drums at the end of Religion slow down into nothingness, which almost sounds like time stopping. In HBTB, the last "high" sequences are later used for the Swan Song intro. Salvatore features a laugh that sounds both played forward and in reverse (it is more prominent in the instrumental rather than the actual album track). I feel like time is a metaphor for Lana versus Lizzy, and timelessness refers to parts of Elizabeth Woolridge Grant that exist in all versions of herself. 

 

 

Of course, there are also some songs that deal with Lana versus Lizzy, like Swan Song, where she asks both her man and herself if everything they're doing is really worth it, perhaps the theme of freedom in the song is letting go of who Lana Del Rey is ("I will never sing again" is quite open to interpretation but definitely fits this). God Knows I Tried also deals with escaping fame and feeling free. In fact, the whole record is called Honeymoon. A honeymoon is something that is to be enjoyed without any stress, and it is meant to be done in a fashion that ensures the privacy and relaxation of one. The privacy aspect is key to Lana versus Lizzy, because Lana is probably not the coolly detached, stiletto-nailed, false-eyelash batting Lana Del Rey when she's on her own time, at least not at the time of the journeys chronicled in Honeymoon. Honeymoon is the bridge between that persona of Lana from Born to Die, Paradise, and Ultraviolence, to the more grounded, aware of the real world Lana that is present in Lust for Life.

 

I could go on, but I would take forever. Honeymoon is an album that has a lot beyond it's surface and I have so much to say about it. I don't know if what I wrote was what you were looking for, but I hope it was!

[ivy 1,693]

Lmao! I literally saved that post on my computer a while ago in a word file   . I thought it was brilliant! Thank you! @IanadeIrey

[IanadeIrey 62,020]

Lmao! I literally saved that post on my computer a while ago in a word file   . I thought it was brilliant! Thank you! @IanadeIrey

Oh wow! I'm honoured to hear that! Thank you!