Honeymoon - Post-Release Discussion Thread + Poll

[white gold 4,240]

I love listening to HM while trying to fall asleep on airplanes. I know that sounds shady but it's the perfect album to listen to while drifting along the border of consciousness. GKIT is so close to my heart.

[IanadeIrey 60,703]

Honeymoon is just so mature, and that's what I like about it the most. It's so timeless. 

 

Of course, I love to bop to a lot of the work that comes out nowadays, from all artists, but something about Honeymoon makes me feel like it's where my musical taste really lies. I don't see a single flaw with this record. 

[cashcomesquick 5,379]

Does anyone else think she was so proud of Honeymoon? She even dedicated an extra account to it, almost like she gave birth to her first child

[IanadeIrey 60,703]

Does anyone else think she was so proud of Honeymoon? She even dedicated an extra account to it, almost like she gave birth to her first child

 

I totally agree. It's so unfortunate that she doesn't perform more Honeymoon songs live.

 

And I love the Honeymoon account! The fact that she posted more things that weren't really "main account material" (personal) made it more special. 

[TROPICUM 6,406]

This album is AMAZING!

[LaMartine 1,201]

we don't deserve HM, i've been listening to MTWBT on repeat today. Ultimate sexy/sultry song. 

The repercussions on it remind me of 1960s cabaret/slow stripping routines    

 

[cashcomesquick 5,379]

[UltraHeroin 8,801]

I hope she'll perform MTWBT on the tour..those movements are already iconic  

[IanadeIrey 60,703]

I would really love Salvatore, Religion, GKIT, The Blackest Day, Terrence Loves You or Art Deco on the setlist.

And of course, keep MTWBT and bring back HM, HBTB and Freak. 

 

She should just have a show where the setlist is just HM songs! 

[cashcomesquick 5,379]

I would really love Salvatore, Religion, GKIT, The Blackest Day, Terrence Loves You or Art Deco on the setlist.

And of course, keep MTWBT and bring back HM, HBTB and Freak.

 

She should just have a show where the setlist is just HM songs!

 

It’s not your fault that you have so many tasteless twink stans. You should add these to your set list

[IanadeIrey 60,703]

I feel like Honeymoon was the record that really allowed Lana to be herself and was a platform through which she could communicate her internal struggle of the whole persona of Lana Del Rey versus Elizabeth Woolridge Grant. The lyrical parallels in some songs (HBTB and PMIAM from AKA) and themes from songs like GKIT and Swan Song really show this struggle I feel. 

 

The whole record deals with themes of escapism and voyeurism, feeling like you're being watched, and living out fantasies of your own downtime and freedom. The visuals for this era also convey this, what with the whole Starline tours bus - showing Lana, a star herself, literally surrounded in a world of stars, but the obvious factor is that these kinds of Hollywood tours are for the average person, which I think subtly but brilliantly shows the way in which Lana both objectively and personally views herself. 

 

I think out of all her discography, Honeymoon is THE record that she probably let the most go with; she really seemed like she was having a lot of fun with the whole process of creating it and the lyrics are more a tool for imagery rather than narrative, which paints a beautiful picture for the listener. It truly is a shame that it is so under-appreciated by her fanbase.

 

I think the main encompassing feeling and vibe throughout the record is Lana's interpretation of jazz and timelessness, and what the definition of timelessness is, sonically speaking. 

 

It's so soft and lush too. Someone else said it in another thread, and I completely agree with them - there are so many layers to it, you're definitely going to continue to discover different sounds and instruments the more you listen to the songs and even the instrumentals. 

 

I just love Honeymoon so much - it's my favourite Lana album. 

[Blue Rev 3,014]

Definitely her most timeless record. When people look back on her career in decades to come this will always be considered a highlight imo.

[Anita Malfatti 2,978]

I’m listening to honeymoon and remembering why I love this record so much. Her vocals here are heaven, and the songs are very sweet and heartwarming. I love you Honeymoon <3

[WildMustang 14,725]

I listen to the whole record without skipping any song

[cashcomesquick 5,379]

@lanadelrey “I feel like Honeymoon was the record that really allowed Lana to be herself and was a platform through which she could communicate her internal struggle of the whole persona of Lana Del Rey versus Elizabeth Woolridge Grant. The lyrical parallels in some songs (HBTB and PMIAM from AKA) and themes from songs like GKIT and Swan Song really show this struggle I feel.“

 

Do you mind elaborating the “Lana Del Rey versus Lizzy“ part?

 

I recall @graham4anything mentioning at least a similar theory.

[cashcomesquick 5,379]

The lyrics seemed to be kinda simple and basic at the beginning, but apparently they are deeper than assumed.

 

This album is really like fine wine. It gets better with age

[IanadeIrey 60,703]

@lanadelrey “I feel like Honeymoon was the record that really allowed Lana to be herself and was a platform through which she could communicate her internal struggle of the whole persona of Lana Del Rey versus Elizabeth Woolridge Grant. The lyrical parallels in some songs (HBTB and PMIAM from AKA) and themes from songs like GKIT and Swan Song really show this struggle I feel.“

 

Do you mind elaborating the “Lana Del Rey versus Lizzy“ part?

 

I recall @graham4anything mentioning at least a similar theory.

 

I recall Lana talking about how time was a central theme throughout the record. That feeling of timelessness and what one's interpretation of timelessness reveals about their own self is what I personally view as an overarching theme throughout the record. 

 

The whole record contains this feeling of time, both moving backwards and forwards. Both melodically and sonically. Burnt Norton in particular illustrates this lyrical idea of certain events and mindsets of different times coexisting in the past, present, and future. I feel like this was included as the interlude of the record because it almost serves as a metaphor for that gap between who Lizzy was/is and who Lana Del Rey is calculated to be. There are parts of Lizzy that exist within Lana and there are parts of Lana that were part of Lizzy even before Lana was calculated. What also leads me to believe this is something Lana said from the Billboard 2015 interview: Lana referred to herself as "her" rather than "I," saying that she's "protective of her - Lana..." Lana also stated this year that she did view "Lana Del Rey" as more of a persona than herself.  Also, in early 2015, Lana changed her Instagram icon to a picture of Lizzy. In terms of the sonic aspect, there is a lot of recycling of various sounds and the inverting of various instrumental sequences throughout songs. For example, the drums at the end of Religion slow down into nothingness, which almost sounds like time stopping. In HBTB, the last "high" sequences are later used for the Swan Song intro. Salvatore features a laugh that sounds both played forward and in reverse (it is more prominent in the instrumental rather than the actual album track). I feel like time is a metaphor for Lana versus Lizzy, and timelessness refers to parts of Elizabeth Woolridge Grant that exist in all versions of herself. 

 

 

Of course, there are also some songs that deal with Lana versus Lizzy, like Swan Song, where she asks both her man and herself if everything they're doing is really worth it, perhaps the theme of freedom in the song is letting go of who Lana Del Rey is ("I will never sing again" is quite open to interpretation but definitely fits this). God Knows I Tried also deals with escaping fame and feeling free. In fact, the whole record is called Honeymoon. A honeymoon is something that is to be enjoyed without any stress, and it is meant to be done in a fashion that ensures the privacy and relaxation of one. The privacy aspect is key to Lana versus Lizzy, because Lana is probably not the coolly detached, stiletto-nailed, false-eyelash batting Lana Del Rey when she's on her own time, at least not at the time of the journeys chronicled in Honeymoon. Honeymoon is the bridge between that persona of Lana from Born to Die, Paradise, and Ultraviolence, to the more grounded, aware of the real world Lana that is present in Lust for Life.

 

I could go on, but I would take forever. Honeymoon is an album that has a lot beyond it's surface and I have so much to say about it. I don't know if what I wrote was what you were looking for, but I hope it was!

[Veinsineon 70,471]

Do you mind elaborating the “Lana Del Rey versus Lizzy“ part?

 

i really like the other theory about the original concept of LFL vs Honeymoon lana

 

in which, she in most of the songs isn't talking about a man but her old sugar baby style persona, and she's constantly batteling it because she wants to be happy like the original concept of LFL.

like in 24 swan song gkit etc, she basically says goodbye to her former self and opens up the door for songs like Love and Yosemite. A happier side who is now at peace with the old lana.

[WaitForLife 5,020]

I decided that HM is my fave Lana album. It's so calm and soft.

And the DARK BLUE

[TROPICUM 6,406]

what a CLASSIC