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  1. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by naachoboy in LDR5 Pre-Pre-Release Thread - Take 2   
    Maybe its the album called Love? idk
  2. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Flowerbomb in LDR5 Pre-Pre-Release Thread - Take 2   
    What does it say at the very bottom of her name? Plus who's the guy with the glasses?
  3. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Flowerbomb in LDR5 Pre-Pre-Release Thread - Take 2   
    I agree. The longer the wait, the more snippets will be released, ruining the entire song...
  4. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Ultraviolencexo in LDR5 Pre-Pre-Release Thread - Take 2   
    All of Lanas albums sound completely different from each other so I'm just excited to see what direction she's going in this time, I feel like this new album is going to be very cinematic.
  5. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Kommander in LDR5 Pre-Pre-Release Thread - Take 2   
    We don't need pop lana rn, we need faux ghetto lana back to save ha career !!
  6. My Sparrow Blue liked a post in a topic by deepseagemini in LDR5 Pre-Pre-Release Thread - Take 2   
    Could anyone help a sis out with the YAIL snippet... 
  7. kitschesque liked a post in a topic by deepseagemini in 'Ride' - Music Video Released   
    I thought Lana was given this headdress by a native american when she went in a reserve to help fight alcoholism?
  8. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by therichwhores in LDR5 - Pre-Pre-Release Annual Meltdown and Discussion Thread   
    As always : 
     
    BTW I love t.A.T.u
  9. BANNED liked a post in a topic by deepseagemini in Honeymoon - Post-Release Discussion Thread + Poll   
    It's #4 in Canada! (still not released)
  10. #glimmeringdarling liked a post in a topic by deepseagemini in Music to Watch Boys To: Official Music Video   
    At first I thought she just put flowers on her sweet tarts headphones 
  11. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by naachoboy in Maida Vale Session + Interview at BBC Radio 1   
    Honeymoon was the best 
  12. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by James19709 in Maida Vale Session + Interview at BBC Radio 1   
    i don't know how people listen to the radio other than waiting for an interview tbh i couldn't listen to shit i didn't even decide to put on, pls hurry radio 1
  13. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by evilentity in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    Racism can be much subtler than that. 

    I think you're reaching so much you're gonna dislocate your arm. See @@longtimeman, I told you I was gonna have to steal that line. #PostAppropriation  

    I agreed 100% with everything you said up until this point in your post, and I agree that discussions like this tend to turn ugly, but I have to disagree with this "don't quote me" business. It comes off like you feel entitled to have the final word. It's a discussion forum. People are entitled to respond if they wish.
  14. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Valentino in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    If you'll notice, the word "racist" was not used once in my post. This was intentional on my part. It's a loaded word and when you throw it at someone's fave, people become more concerned with protecting their fave than thinking "well, is what she did really racist, and if so, how can we stop it from happening again?" It stops discourse, and I think talking about these things calmly is important. Unfortunately a stan forum is probably the worst place to do this, but whatcha gonna do.
     
    Intent can only carry you so far. There's a reason people apologize if they accidentally elbow you in the face - despite not intending to hurt you, they nevertheless hurt you. And once they finish their apology, they usually say they'll be more careful from now on not to accidentally elbow you in the face (this has happened to me, so it's not some weird hypothetical). The same should apply to these actions.
     
    I would bet you she used it because she thought it looked pretty. She's all about ~aesthetic~. And also because there was a trend of hipster white girls wearing headdresses (see: Coachella). Even Marina and the Diamonds was guilty of this. They probably thought "this looks nice, let me wear it", but didn't realize the value it had to the culture and, moreover, the devaluation of it they were causing by wearing it in such a frivolous manner.
     
    For those of you who think this is hoopla over nothing and no tribes were harmed in the making of this video, look up 'the daily nebraska lana del rey war bonnet.' A member of one of the tribes that uses war bonnets (because remember - not all of them do) talks about the significance of it and why it's not okay. She also talks about some other pop artists. Obviously, one member of a group doesn't represent the group. Still, there is such a thing as majority opinion, and most everything I've read from members of war bonnet using tribes say "this item is not acceptable to wear outside its intended purpose."
     
    I'm not going to post any further because discussions about this topic tend to turn ugly, so please don't quote this post. I'll just end this by saying that if Art Deco is about AB (which I'm pretty sure it's not, wtf Lipsters), calling her 'ghetto' is tacky, at best. Plus, 'ghetto' is definitely a racialized descriptor, let's be real. When you call someone ghetto, you're not saying "you look like a Jew from the segregated part of town!" You're saying "you look like you come from a poor black neighborhood and you're trashy." "The ghetto" refers to poor black neighborhoods specifically. I've never heard anyone talk about an Asian ghetto or a white ghetto (and the trailer park isn't really equivalent). I don't think this song is racist and I don't think Ghetto Baby is racist either, but let's not pretend that 'ghetto' has nothing to do with poor black neighborhoods.
  15. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Valentino in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    The real problem with cultural appropriation isn't that some white girl uses a bindi or twerks. Those are actually separate issues about how some traditionally "ethnic" things are considered okay if done by white people but trashy or gross if done by the people who created it. This doesn't really have a name, and it is something that should be discussed, but people call it cultural appropriation and it's not the best use of the term.
     
    The issue with cultural appropriation is taking something from its cultural context, especially without permission. That's why war bonnets are a touchy symbol. They're the equivalent of earning a medal in a war. By wearing it to look "cute" or because you "feel free", you degrade it from an actual symbol of heroic bravery into a hipster trash accessory on par with flower crowns. The symbol stops meaning anything significant, and that's part of the culture that eroded away.
     
    Intention doesn't really mean anything when it comes to this. All that matters is that you're using something that has special meaning, especially something sacred, and using it outside that intended context, and that by itself causes the object to become associated with the mundane as opposed to the sacred. Even if that wasn't your intention, that is the end result, and it's still harmful to the cultures in question.
     
    It's a shame the discussion about cultural appropriation has degenerated into BS like "can white people use things from non-white cultures?" because that just encourages cultural segregation while missing the core of what makes appropriation harmful. Sharing is great. But sharing requires someone to offer you something. Sacred symbols are never offered to other cultures (precisely because they are sacred). There are plenty of Native American decorative items one can choose to use that are sold by Natives and have no special value. Use those. There's no need to go for the one that has an important meaning.
     
    I normally try to stay away from political discussions here, but I can't stand to see discussion about appropriation be turned to "twerking! bindis!" because all that does is make people reject the concept wholesale. It is an issue. But not for the reasons most people think. Lana did appropriate the culture by using a war bonnet outside of its intended context. She probably had no intention of doing so. But actions have consequences beyond their intentions (also the 60s and 70s were full of cultural appropriation of sacred things by hippies, so don't be surprised).
  16. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by wittycatchphrase in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    It's not worth it. These kids (I'm convinced they're teenagers because if they're adults God help us all) will just twist what you say because they think you're attacking their fave. The lack of education here is pathetic.
  17. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Divisive Princess in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    Uh, this is a little rude. I don't think it's fair to comment on a race that you're not and tell someone that they're confused because of their race. It doesn't depend on what side you're around the most; it depends on the values that were instilled in you as a child. 
  18. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by Atom Heart in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    Goodbye. You literally can't see the fact that it's racist? She doesn't have to disrespect it. And it's not like she consulted Native American cultural centers and got approved use by them (which is actually a thing).
  19. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by FKAbrandon in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    Some of you are missing the point entirely.  Stop dismissing real world issues, just because it doesn't affect you doesn't give you the right to dismiss it.  
  20. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by PrettyBaby in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    Lizzy Grant. Lana Del Rey fans. Countless young women today (and that's just the cis perspective). Really, the possibilities are endless.
     
       
    Systematic racism includes the privilege that many (not all white people, and not all of whom are white) enjoy passively. While having privilege is arguably not a problem in and of itself, the things that some people do to hold onto privilege are beyond problematic.
  21. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by KillKillQueen in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    Did you just deny the existence of systematic racism?  
  22. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by analwinterofmylife in Azealia comments on "Art Deco" diss track rumors   
    well i feel like the issue is  that society will embrace a part of (for example) black culture.. abut then oppress black people.. this can be said with many cultures.. 
     
    and also i feel like.. i mean its right to say we aren't the same.. people of color and white people are not the same! even some white people vs other white people aren't the same.. same with poc vs poc..but.. that doesn't mean either one of us should be treated in a lesser way, or oppressed. were all humans at the core ..but to say we are all the same really kind of (imo) disregards each persons cultural background idk ;-;
  23. deepseagemini liked a post in a topic by graham4anything in Virgin Radio France live acoustic session   
    Trouble with releasing with weeks/month in advance is it allows some major tacky singles artist to do a surprise drop. All part of the game. But then this mixtape has zero physical release so there is no need for a set-up in advance.
    (so basically it is cheating, like how Mariah Carey got almost all her #1 singles).
     
    #2 or #3 is still great (sorry to disappoint you).
     
    It will be considered Lana's 4th Top 10 album in the USA (as the official historian of Billboard counts Paradise in the tally in his books. With a #1 forever hers with Ultraviolence.
    Very few album oriented artists ever have had that many. (not talking about the single whores that sell their soul). (She now has more than Grateful Dead, Leonard Cohen, Amy Winehouse, the list is endless).
     
    Lana also forever has a recorded in the books #16  R&B/HipHop single with her duet with Weeknd. Not all that many white artists can lay claim to that. (and if it is released later on as an actual single, it would go even higher.)
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